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I am 100% with everything digdirt said. I suspect over fertilizing, over watering. The planting medium also looks suspect, though of course its hard to tell. But I hope you have something besides just wood mulch in that pot. I also fully concur with his suggestion about repotting and, even more importantly, burying that long, thin stem most of the way up. Its also too young for fruit....is it outside? Is it an ornamental or what variety. I think I pretty much just repeated degdirt's post but it was worth rementioning. good luck.

Do you have any favorit type of veggie? I think if you got more specific, it would help.
I guess it depends what climate you are used to, but Kaiserslautern is much warmer than places in Nordniedersachsen.
You can start some lettuce in March/April, sowing directly into the bed, beans around May, June
The best results with tomatoes I got when growing them in a container in a soilles potting mix on a south facing balcony, I have given up on Freilandtomaten, the ones planted in a bed without cover against the rain.
It is not that bad to veggie garden in your area, rather a matter of skill and TLC ( but isn't that always the case...),
so let us know what you went for, bye, Lin


I consider basil to be a high value crop because I freeze tons of pesto so I can have it all winter. It's all relative. If you like peppers better, then I definitely agree that you should fill the box with them and put the basil in pots. Sweet pepper yields, at least in my zone, are typically not great unless you're planting the non-bell types like Jimmy Nardello. The more pepper plants, the better.
As for weeds, buy some straw mulch. It's great for moisture retention and weed reduction.


Most of WV is Z6, and WV Extension's famously wonderful garden calendar is now online as a downloadable PDF. Or, you can check the month that interests you online, and review the task list. In my experience the Calendar's planting dates are spot on.
Here is a link that might be useful: WV Garden Calendar

I start broccoli and any cabbage on March 16. I start tomatoes, peppers, and eggplant on March 28. I start some early watermelons on April 17 and the rest of the melons April 28. Onions are set out on March 31. Sweetpotatoes on May 17. White potatoes April 14

In general, low plants should be on the south side, and tall plants on the north, if you're trying to maximize absorption of sunlight. Afternoon sun is just as important to plants (from the point of view of photosynthesis) as morning sun. If your plants do tend to get highly stressed from afternoon sun, then I suppose it makes sense to bias the shading to then. But if not, then don't worry about it.
In many places one tends to get sun preferentially in the morning or afternoon. Might want to give that some thought as well.

What I mean, if you use trellis for cucumbers, but not on melons(as melons better grow flat, that up) then cucumbers will be higher and melons will be lower. If you use trellis for melons as well, and height will be the same for cucumbers and melons , then plant the way you have easier access to cucumbers - you will access cucumbers much more often then melons.

I have about 6,500 square feet of vegetables, and I've been spending about $60/year on seeds. I can cut that down a lot just by saving seeds from my mostly heirloom tomatoes, peppers, and summer and winter squash. For me it's not about saving 40 bucks; It's just another aspect to enjoy. This year I am saving seeds from everything, and proving them out the following year, and then I am good to go.
One of my big goals this year is to save seeds from my edamame; last year birds ate all of what I was letting mature for seed. I had netting over them all season to keep the deer out. Wasn't anticipating birds getting involved.
Getting critical mass where you no longer have to buy seeds is such a cool feeling. In one season I am about already there with garlic. I planted 31 cloves last year. Last fall I was able to plant 60 cloves from my harvest, and I have enough to last me through until harvest. Absent a catastrophic year, I am never buying garlic again.

I have mostly used starts from a local organic farm/nursery.
Now that I'm retired, I'm hoping to get the seeds going.
We have a seed exchange monthly with free seed from locally grown produce, so it's a good bet that it will grow fine in our area.
I'm hoping I'll spend 0$, but I'm sure I'll end up buying something! Nancy



I never had any problem with late shipments from Territorial. But I don't use them anymore because they've lost their focus on regional varieties and are simply trying to sell everything they possibly can. Their catalog now offers a vast warehouse of useless nonsense. They'll sell whatever they think they can sell, and that's fine. But they are of no particular value anymore.

The small order I placed a few weeks ago just now showed up. I received an email saying the order would be delayed as they were preparing for their 2015 shipments. I was ordering some extra cabbage seeds and raishes, so I kind of wish they would have shown up back in December... but I'm not too upset by it. If I had missed a planting date however, that would have been annoying. I told them they should have a prompt prior to purchasing.

I was going to try growing artichokes in Zone 6b NY.... I knew it was not a sure thing at all for success, but it sounds extremely difficult... am I wasting my time?
If I don't have success getting blooms this year could I get them to survive the winter with mulch?

Peter- I think they are much easier anywhere they can be true perrenials, like Zones 8+. The reason those of us in colder zones go to the trouble of vernalizing them is because they need to have had a winter to trigger blooming, and since they might die in a truly cold winter, vernalizing the new plants gives the best chance of success.
They might make it through a mild winter up your way with a lot of mulch, might not. Are you wasting your time? Depends on how much you find you enjoy the process or the plants. They are quite beautiful even if you never get a choke.

A followup to my previous comments. Mo. is a big state you didn't say where you were in the state. I am 50 miles east of NE corner of state. The early crops such as peas, radishes. lettuce, spinach turnips beets etc. I plant real early and will plant a small area of each so if the early crop fails, I still have a crop. I plant in wide rows except for peas. I will plant an area of 30 inches wide by 12- 16 inches. that will give you several meals of each crop. and if the weather turns bad, you may lose a few seeds. but so what. The old timers will say around here " if you don't get snow on your first planting, you planted it late"

I don't do any special prep Kevin. I just buy some good size sweet potatoes, cut them in half length-wise and set them cut side down in a shallow container of potting mix, perlite, vermiculite, sand whatever is handy and keep it damp. I set the containers under the shelves in the shade in the GH. Snip them off at skin level when 4-6" tall and soil is ready to plant. I don't bother with rooting the slips themselves first but some do.
Dave

Hmm. I tried that a couple years ago and the damn thing just rotted from the inside out. But I put them out in the sun... Might've that been the problem? I thinK I used a mix of compost and potting mix.
Kevin
This post was edited by woohooman on Thu, Jan 22, 15 at 11:58

Width/Length of the containers? 25 gallon containers come in all sorts of shapes and sizes.
Gallon size isn't all that important since they only need about 12" of depth. But you should be able to evenly space several plants 8-10" apart or around the container somehow.
For example, 10 gallon grow bags made for potatoes call for 3-4 plants. They are 12-14" deep and 22" wide side to side. That assumes careful watering and extra feedings.
Dave

I think my totes last year were 18 gallons. I put 3 seed potatoes in each of them. I ran out of potting soil and one was full about 8" the other....let me think...12-18" maybe? Anyways....
I got bored of watering them and dumped them all out in early July (I still had my main, in-ground potatoes anyways). I was surprised to get a meal or two's worth of new potatoes. If they had stayed in those buckets for the rest of the summer, I would have gotten a pretty good harvest out of them I think.




Most seeds benefit from warmer soil temperatures. So even onions family, parsley, cilantro .. will germinate much faster when soil temps are 60F++. They have developed charts ( Temps vs. days to germinate), showing the effect of soil/air temperatures. There is an optimum temperature range for different seeds.
See chart below.
For example, ONIONS seeds eventually will germinate in soil temps higher than 35F but best range is 50 - 75F. So 65F room temperature is just fine.
Seysonn
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The table above is excellent because it gives a MINIMUM temp. I don't use heating pads at all and, in my experience, 65-70F house temps (for toms and eggplants) just makes germination take a little longer. Add a few days, maybe a week, onto what it would take with heating pads. I do cover my seedling trays with a plastic sheet, in order to ensure that the soil remains moist without having to apply water.
I have to assume that the minimum temperature is largely because below that, the seed will just rot before it sprouts.
I once tried a heating pad, and had a lot of trouble getting the temperature reasonably uniform across the tray (which was about 50% larger than the pad).
Is germination rate really the only reason to use heating pads? In my mind, germination time is a negotiable.