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I built a tool that looks at daily temps and soil temps during planting till harvest and spits out what plants will work, based on zip code. Currently does not let you specify a date in the future, but assumes today as the start date. You can check it out at http://www.edenpatch.com/weather


ok, triplicate post. See http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/3187340/something-eating-my-seeds-in-the-greenhouse?n=2



This worked in my small planting, and will probably work in yours, but the scale of the effort may be too much. I covered my seed bed area with my cleaned out raspberry canes, and at the appropriate time, removed the canes and then use them to polish out the inside of my shredder after processing wet compost.

It's not a weed IF you have a use for it.
Ironic how we want to remove native plants that grow easily w/o care AND are healthy to eat then want to plant things that don't want to grow where we are; even with mucho care and nurturing.
IF you find something else eating it you will know you have a woodchuck.

For me it is like supplementing your diet with some good quality supplements.
I picked up my bag of Azomite from the guy who runs the company, and he eats the stuff :)
In terms of application, he recommended adding it to the soil, especially at the root zone. He does a lot of work in developing countries and there, he says, they have someone coming along with a teaspoon putting it into the planting hole so they don't waste it. Either they are ripping off nearly starving people, or they are revitalizing the soil of subsistence farmers and improving their health and well being. Obviously, this guy believes they are doing the latter and is very passionate about it.

Passion from people selling something can be viewed in several ways. As I said, Azomite is pretty pricey, so I guess the sales people have to be pretty passionate to sell it.
Look, this is probably just a another garden example of what is called the "vitamin myth". That's where people pill themselves with loads of "nutritional supplements" (and good quality ones!) because those supplements are chemicals that humans are understood to need to live. As in vitamins A,B,C,D, etc. But most people get plenty of those vitamins in a normal diet. The myth is that if those vitamins are required, then the more the better. That's the myth. It's not true. Humans will simply excrete the excess. Money down the drain. But the fact that these vitamins are "required" tends to obscure the fact that we probably already get enough.
The way to avoid such mythology is to get your soil tested and establish what your soil really needs. Otherwise adding such supplements is just a shot in the dark, and risks toxicity from having excess, as Dave noted. If your soil really needs it, and you find that it works when you use it, that's important information for everyone. Or do as suggested above, and use this stuff on half your bed. See if it works for you on that half. That's a "soil test" that takes a long time, but doesn't really do anyone else any good.


It is a good question. And good compact answers above.
I have alway harvest with that in mind. For a fresh salad, i pick a very small leaf or two from a few dozen plants, chards, kales. For a sautéed meal of greens i pick larger leaves. One or two from each plant leaving some of both sizes alone. I resist picking at all too early until established.
I also think of it as a 'come again' crop in my climate. Harvesting all season.
I've never thought of it as a better crop waiting. I like to have it available when i want it. If it does do better to wait, it does not serve my table as well to have a load all at once.



I skipped a day (because we wanted to run a river -- that's one thing this summer is great for: white water!). Today I fertilized the one flower that was way open yesterday and somewhat open today (along with the ladies who opened today). Wonder if it works to fertilize a day late? Will find out -- I marked the stalk.
I did, however, hear her singing Roberta Flack's "Don't Make Me Wait Too Long."


I agree that certain things compete if they have similar growing times. But lacking space and wanting to experiment is fine. And fun. I put a row of watermelon radishes down the middle of my carrot row last year. They did great lacking the space. Not sure how the variety would do, i did not want to give them prime real estate.
Different growing speeds can work. I don't harvest carrots till late sept.-oct.
I grow a variety of beet for the greens. Wanting to try a new variety of arugula, i added some seeds in the same spot. It was a good grower for me and long gone salad before the beets greens were of a good size. Last year i put golden beets with the beet greens, 25%, and they did well together. Golden beets are big. The beet green beets are tiny.
I plant way to tight but my soil is good and fed and not roto-tilled. Well mulched. Put to bed properly in the late fall.
Very tempting for a young, or small garden, to want to try a variety of crop. Plant less of each and save some of those seeds for next year.
My sugar snaps are massive now. Still a few weeks to go. This weekend i'll put a row of baby French bush in a row just behind. They will like the shade to get established and do well as the snaps come out. All other pole beans went in last week on the other side of the trellis. It is a little hop and jump to get crops to work well together in small spaces. But it also stretches out the garden work so it is not at all a 'chore'.
I put three tomatillos down the middle of the bean bed. Smart? Who cares. They like it there. Always have.
I have a challenging location. Altitude, high winds, lots of storms, Full sun. Heat during the day and cool at night. Salad planted tight with shade frames. I have salad all summer. My neighbors give up early July.
If a crop does not do well one year, try again for three years. Every season is different for everyone. I've had first frost as early as August 28th. Last year was October 12th.
Last year i had no fruit. This year is see a possible explosion. Cherry tree is full. A black raspberry patch i did not plant. Must have been deposited by birds a couple yrs ago...

Friggin birds. They steal so much stuff! Lately they've made off with all sorts of peppers. Their favorite thing is to pick the leaves off of my pepper plants, twirl them for a few seconds and then drop them. They've also shredded many eggplant leaves and dug up all of my watering basins. Thanks birds!

For me it would be deer... they seem to think my yard is their dining room. They come back every night, and anything not fenced off is eventually eaten. All of DW's hosta is eaten down to bare stems, same for every violet on the property. Our tulips never even get to bloom any more, before they are mowed down. Any new trees or bushes are goners unless I fence them - and fence them high, since they will lean on the fence & eat as far as their neck can reach.
The neighbors 5 houses down have a beautiful garden, several kinds of hosta, no fences... and the deer never touch it. They seem content to mow everything in my yard to the ground. I'm not fond of venison, or of hunting... but I might make an exception in their case. >:-(


It could be one of the African orange-fruited eggplant, I am growing one of them this year ("Striped Togo", S. aethiopicum), and the foliage is very similar to that of the photo. However, I think that Floral_UK's guess of S. nigrum or one of its wild relatives is more likely, they are pretty widespread.





Guess it depends on the raised bed and available drainage. I built mine with 1x6 stacked above each other, and if it really rains very hard, I can see water seeping out of the joint. If the rain is not ver hard, then it drains out of the bottom. We have officially had the wettest June ever in Illinois, and my raised beds did fine. My community garden plot on the other hand...
This is the one year that tells me it was a good idea to make every bed raised (I use 4" cinder blocks). Even if the bed soil is 2 inches above the path, it makes a huge difference (most beds are 4 to 6 inches above, though, and the bean beds 8 inches). A gentle slope across the garden, with paths running along the slope, also help.