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dave_f1 SC, USDA Zone 8a(7b)

How about just planting your spuds into slightly raised hills (or level) and then covering with a thick layer of straw? Plants come up through it, with cool moist soil and no weeds. Reuse straw or till it in later in the season, I don;t understand why you would want to use fabric.

1 Like    Bookmark     February 24, 2015 at 11:35PM
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(NJ, Zone 7A)

I don't know about growing potatoes like that, I use garbage cans, but I think you'll love the way a garden works when you plant things through holes in weed fabric. I've been doing it that way for a long time and I don't waste time pulling weeds and my soil stays really nice and warm and moist.

    Bookmark     February 26, 2015 at 5:59AM
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farmerdill

Solanum Torvum is the only one That I am familiar with. Baker Creek Use to carry it as Thai Pea. Several ebay sellers advertise it.

    Bookmark     February 25, 2015 at 6:06PM
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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

I've been meaning to try those someday. If you Google them, you do come up with a lot of eBay offerings. It is known to grow wild (I think they're considered invasive in many southern locales), and I'm pretty sure they are OP and perennial, so it's really easy for people to come up with loads of seeds.

    Bookmark     February 25, 2015 at 7:46PM
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jnjfarm_gw(5a)

I am not a texas gardener, but if you find the varieties you like you could start suckers for your second crop. That would save you having extra seeds.

    Bookmark     February 25, 2015 at 5:36AM
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garybeaumont_gw(TX 9A)

I will be setting out tomatoes this Saturday after this cold spell. If a frost is possible (anything under 40 degrees) I will cover it with a 5 gallon bucket until it warms up to 40 (usually by 9:00). I like Better Boy for a midsize tomato. If you want a truly meaty tomato go with one of the paste tomatoes like Roma. I do grow my own since it is hard to get plants this early but I did see some at Krogers. I started my plants January 15th. I live in Beaumont.

    Bookmark     February 25, 2015 at 3:35PM
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elisa_z5

glib, you mean glib2 is NOT your doppelganger?

    Bookmark     February 25, 2015 at 9:42AM
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planterjeff(7b Grant Park Atlanta)

thanks.

    Bookmark     February 25, 2015 at 10:55AM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

Just for accuracies' sake, bark based potting media have been around a lot longer than Tapla formulated his recipes. They don't make for good seed starting though.

    Bookmark     February 24, 2015 at 6:33PM
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asm198 - Zone 6a (MO)

Thank you, Digdirt2. You've been so awesome at answering this newbies questions and I really appreciate it.

I haven't been able to check out local sources yet, (had an issue with my car battery and have been hesitant to leave the house this past week), but plan to hit up the local garden store tomorrow to see what they have and to ask what they might recommend.

I've read everything on the FAQ for growing from seed, growing under lights, and growing tomatoes, but will definitely refer back to them when needed.

    Bookmark     February 24, 2015 at 7:59PM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

Post this over on the Seed Exchange Forum.

Rodney

    Bookmark     February 24, 2015 at 2:49PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Not a vegetable. Try Perennials forum. Far as I know Black Negligee is sterile - not seeds and only grown from cuttings.

    Bookmark     February 24, 2015 at 3:42PM
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celestial(Zone-Enabled)

just last night I pulled out my copy of Four Season Harvest because I had the same question about row covers. There's a table in the book that charts temp differences with row covers. I'm considering building a double-wall row cover for extra warmth and multiple purposes.

First, two layers of insulation are better than one--especially if separated by a little air space between layers. Second, if I use shade cloth for the first layer, I can pull off the outer, thicker layer during the day and still have shade/bug protection underneath.

I'll probably go with the hoop method and test using a high/low thermometer to measure inside/outside temperature differences to see how much actual warmth I get from it.....'cause I'm a bit of an incurable data junky.

    Bookmark     February 22, 2015 at 7:55AM
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Seysonn_ 7b-WA/HZ1

I think that row cover can be useful in case of an overnight light frost. But because of its porosity, it is not a good insulator. So in case of cold it can moderate a bit. I don't think it has much "greenhouse effect" property. Unless it is very tightly woven. I could be wrong.

Seysonn

    Bookmark     February 24, 2015 at 3:16PM
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farmerdill

Red Garnet is not the usual supermarket sweet potato. Mostly they are Beauregards ans Covingtons. However to start your own plants dot not cut the potato. Place the whole potato root end down into a container of water. The water should not cover much more than the bottom quarter of the potato They can also be started in moist (not wet) potting mix.

    Bookmark     February 24, 2015 at 12:13PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

Great, I would have cut it, if I hadn't asked. Thanks for the photo which helps. In the Whole Foods, they often have potatoes labeled as Garnet. They are gorgeous and tasty. I don't know what they have in the stores right now though. Will have to check next time. Thanks!

    Bookmark     February 24, 2015 at 1:28PM
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Hi rkslander,

Sandy, hydrophobic soil is a big issue here in Western Australia and it helps to understand what is happening or it will remain an issue - especially before adding organic matter. Check out Hydrosoil and MuddyThumbs (flick through the slides on the first screen). They are dedicated to solving the problem here in Aus and will explain how organic matter creates a waxy coating over the soil particle leading to water run-off and how best to combat it. Good Luck.

    Bookmark     February 23, 2015 at 2:58PM
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azdoctor

Where are you located? High levels of sodium in soil can make the soil seal up and not accept water. If this is the problem, applying gypsum should help. Decomposed organic matter or animal manure are also good additives. Watch out for salts with animal manure.

    Bookmark     February 24, 2015 at 9:10AM
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farmerdill

Remember that with tobacco you are smoking or chewing the foliage not the fruit.

    Bookmark     February 24, 2015 at 7:44AM
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daninthedirt(Cent TX; HZ10, Sunset z30, USDA z8a)

That's exactly right. I forgot that tobacco bears fruit! And the fruit doesn't contain much nicotine. One has to wonder if tomato, pepper, eggplant, and potato foliage has a lot more nicotine than their fruits do. Interestingly, in the depression, people dried and smoked tomato leaves because tobacco was too expensive and, I gather, there is some halfway useful amount of nicotine in those leaves. There is other bad stuff in tomato leaves, so it wasn't very smart, in retrospect.

    Bookmark     February 24, 2015 at 8:01AM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

Ok, there is some of the difference, that you started at the main GW page. I thought you could search the whole website from anywhere on the site, just by typing ‘in Gardenweb’ after your search.

Rodney was right. All the 8,000+ comments that were on the old GW are under Activity on everyone’s profile page. The only problem is that the only way to access them is to scroll down and look at 10 at a time. So if you wanted to get to the oldest posts, you’d have to click on ’show more’ about 800 times! They should have them in pages instead.

It’s always been prairiemoon2

I’ve noticed that for each forum when you do a search, you get ‘in Vegetable Gardening’ or which ever forum it is, in the drop down menu. And I’ve used that.

Yes, you are right, the search is only as good as the person using the search engine, but it’s also only as good as what is in the database to search for, right? So, if I can find, let’s say a post I made from 2010 in my ‘activity’ list, that was on the Vegetable forum, but it’s not now on the Vegetable forum, then my search will turn up nothing.

I did do a separate search for any posts of mine on a half a dozen forums that I know I’ve posted on and there are none there. So it seems to me, they have stored the old posts on the Activity section of every member’s profile page, but not in the forums.

And why would anyone want old posts? It’s ten+ years of content on GW. I might not have any fascinating posts that someone would want to access again, but there’s plenty of people who have spent a lot of time sharing their expertise. Not all of them are still here, either. So I think it is valuable. Otherwise, what did Houzz purchase from GW, if not ten years worth of content?

    Bookmark     February 23, 2015 at 1:14PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

BTW, Dave, one area of GW where the old content is very valuable, is the Kitchen forum, where they had content that you could find nowhere else on the web, of completed kitchen renovation projects, documented in text and photos. Lots and lots of them. If you've ever had to renovate a kitchen, you would understand how valuable that content is.

I was just over on the Kitchen forum and evidently, Houzz has truncated those older threads and removed the photos in them. Threads, whose whole purpose was to display a completed kitchen. The forum members themselves have had to bring it to the attention of Houzz and so far, their response was to restore a set # of photos to each thread. In one case, losing 90% of the photos in the thread.

    Bookmark     February 24, 2015 at 1:26AM
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ntflynn

I am in San Diego and my neighbor has been growing it for 3 years....they look like mini palm trees now. I asked him for some seed and he said he has never seen seed pods in the 3 years he's had it....maybe that is why it isn't available? I have no idea. Is it possible to get a cutting and it would root?

    Bookmark     February 23, 2015 at 11:35AM
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laceyvail(6A, WV)

Seed appears after it winters over on flushes of growth with small broccoli like heads. However, Winterbor is a hybrid, so seed won't produce plants like the hybrid.

    Bookmark     February 23, 2015 at 1:36PM
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jnjfarm_gw(5a)

Nancyjane, I am a market gardener and giving surplus to coworkers, the vet and others can be a way to help build future sales.

    Bookmark     February 23, 2015 at 12:36PM
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carriehelene(5)

We put up most of it, then leftovers get sold at my work and on a roadside stand outside our garden. Family treats our garden like a stop n shop lol. They swing by, get what they want and go in their merry way. It works for us.

    Bookmark     February 23, 2015 at 1:27PM
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carriehelene(5)

Mine are in the basement at 50 degrees with 50% humidity lying open in huge shelves uncovered and they don't sprout. Agree 60 is way to warm. Some varieties are more suited for long term storage than others. Could be you need to figure out what variety you have, might learn which to avoid in the future.

    Bookmark     February 22, 2015 at 12:45PM
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elisa_z5

yes, you can eat them -- just break off the sprouts, and even if the potatoes themselves are a little soft, they're still good to eat.

I store mine at 40 -- 50 degrees (the variation depending on the weather) and complete darkness. A closet is not very dark if the area it is in has light in it, so light may have added to the sprouting. But you gotta work with what you've got.

Did you choose good storage varieties? Katahdin, Green Mountain, Carola -- look for varieties that have excellent storage capabilities.

I do replant some of mine. You could try breaking off these current sprouts, and then let them sprout again (I'm sure they will!) and plant them after that, if it's time to do so in your zone (which is . . . ? did houzz forget we need to know zones? oh well -- I just got back on here, so I may have missed that part.)

    Bookmark     February 23, 2015 at 11:23AM
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zzackey(8b GA)

Scapes look like small garlic bulbs. My friend used to pluck them off and throw them away. I read that you can plant them or use them in cooking.

    Bookmark     February 22, 2015 at 5:32PM
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jean001a(Portland OR 7b)

changingitup,

Click here for the NW Forum

    Bookmark     February 22, 2015 at 8:09PM
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