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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

Peter, they're still kinda sitting there, but we're getting some high 80s and 90s this week. The other stuff in this bed is also not doing so great, even though I've treated all the beds mostly the same!

If the stuff in this bed doesn't start taking off with our warm weather this week I might cover this bed and give it a big dose of compost and whatever to use it as a winter bed this fall. I'm confused! LOL

Thank goodness for farmers markets 7 days a week around here! Nancy

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jocoyn

Of all my vegetables, the eggplants are the ones that seem to take the brunt of insect attacks. I will say that planting peppermint between them helped well enough that I hope to have an established "zone" of it the next time I plant. I would choose the eggplant for a coat of armor though. I have never seen a plant that was so productive despite massive leaf damage from a variety of pests. After Neem and BT and Spinosad I did give in and use Sevin and it is a much happier plant but very very carefully-- on each leaf and covering up the flowers....Before that I still have between 5 and 1 fruit on 5 different eggplants. Of course I am in SC where my kale bolted in April and it is hot here. Even the peppers are not setting fruit at the moment. And the winter squash are aborting.

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farmerdill

Correct. A mature eggplant is good only for seeds.

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jeffatlanta (7b, Atlanta, GA)

thanks, farmerdill and nancyjane -

I was confused as I'm more familiar with the Japanese variety that bear few small fruits at once. I thought this was equivalent of four large eggplants growing on one young plant at once. Thanks for the advise.

I'll have it for dinner tomorrow!

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kathyb912_in (5a/5b, Central IN)

Instead of the clay soil from next door, you could try mixing in a bag of Garden Soil from your local home improvement store. I did this with one of my SFG beds that was draining a bit too well and I really liked the results. It added a lot of body to the soil, while still keeping the mix light and staying within the spirit of the SFG method. (Though it's technically no longer a "pure" SFG, if that matters to you. Of course, it won't be if you add fertilizer, either, but I agree with everyone's recommendations that you should use some this year, while you are still developing your soil. If you use pre-bagged Garden Soil, be sure to read the label to see if it has any fertilizer mixed into it; you don't want to over-fertilize by accident.)

As others have said, needing a few years for a SFG to build up enough nutrients and organic material seems to be pretty common. You definitely don't want that artificial weed barrier in there, though. Cardboard will break down, but that plasticy-clothy stuff won't. But it will prevent your plant roots from eventually finding their way into your native soil and helping it break down. Mulch well with your homemade compost - now, and again later as more finishes; it really gives the plants a boost. Then you can mix in that mulch layer at the end of the season and give the soil a head start on next spring.

Good luck!

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lgteacher(SCal zone 9b)

Skip the clay soil. It's the reason why those of us who have raised beds aren't planting directly in the soil. Clay particles are the smallest soil particles, so there is less air space between them. Drainage is slow. O the other hand, clay soil is rich in minerals.

You don't have to till, either. Raised beds don't need to be tilled. If you mixed the ingredients before you started the garden, you just need to replenish the nutrients used, which can be done by adding compost each time you remove a plant to put in another. You should be fertilizing monthly by sprinkling some fertilizer on the soil. Check the bag of what you are using for the recommended amount. There is probably a whole discussion on the soil forum about tilling vs. not tilling.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

I'm not familiar with Savor VARIETY melons but it make require tying if you want it to trellis and you will need to rig slings to support the fruit. From what I have read about it it is a very small melon so are you sure it can be grown on a trellis like the typical vining type melons can?

Honey Bean acorn squash is a very compact, bush variety. It cannot be trellised in any way.

Dave

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glib(5.5)

see, the problem with compost is the following. My soil was P-free (7ppm). Three years of compost, and it is at 80 ppm, well above recommended maximum. When P is that high it can, for example, interfere with Fe absorption. The same for K, which started high, and Ca and Mg, which started very high.

So I prefer to use local leaves. They don't really have a lot of nutrients, as trees pull back whatever was valuable, but they generate a large amount of soil turning and earthworm castings. Plus they mulch, although shifting large leaves can and do smother small seedlings. They are free, too. I add urea as needed, always, as well as chunks of rotten wood to keep up the fungal population.

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tcstoehr(8b Canby, OR)

I agree. Throwing in piles of organic matter without knowing your soil's composition nor the composition of the inputs is a gamble. I have high levels of Potassium and Phosphorous in my soil already so I need to minimize compost and chicken manure. I try to only replace what is lost each year. A soil test every other year lets me know how I'm doing. My organic matter % hovers around 6.3 - 6.5% which is quite adequate.

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emmalehman

Thanks - that is what I thought would be the best option....

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wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana

Traps are the best you can do at this point...forget common 'wisdom'. Trap crops help and if you are not against Sevin sprayed on non food plants, you can kill a lot of them that way too.

Sure, you can hand pick too. That works well when you have a few.

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jocoyn

Great idea. Oh the Black Kow is the cheapest they sell. I can put in a pepper (drainage) and a tomato (heavy feeder) and compare...meanwhile I will pull a sample for testing. Strange though how it is only in part of the bed.

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jocoyn

Well, with a heavy dose of organic fertilizer, things seem to be perking up. Set me back - but even the beans are greening up. I think maybe they had not established their nitrogen fixation and needed a start. Gave fertilizer with beneficial bacteria.

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Lettuce is really easy to grow from seed and germinates fast enough to keep a five year old interested. It may be too hot where you are now but it's worth thinking about in the Autumn or next spring. Snacking on Salad you grew yourself could be even more fun.

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Miss_Moose (Winnipeg, Canda. Zone 2)

Thanks Floral, for the record, just how fast will lettuce regrow with the cut-and-come again method?

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jnjfarm_gw(5a)

planting in rows creates a lot of wasted space. I plant radishes in 2' wide area x as long as needed. same with lettuce and carrots. radishes will be full grown in 21-28 days. think succession planting .

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exmar

If you don't mulch, you'll be fighting weeds till the plants grow enough to shade the soil, even then you'll be hand weeding between the plants as weeds are very pervasive!

"Ditto" on hoes mentioned above. I used a traditional hoe for years and then at the urging of a buddy got one and they're great. Here's a link to a "typical" one, they're widely available. Unlike a traditional hoe, if you're working close to the plants, you can go too deep and damage roots, these just kind of glide on or just below the soil surface.

http://www.amazon.com/Bond-LH022-Fiberglass-Garden-Wiggle/dp/B003VTZVBK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1435109844&sr=8-3&keywords=scuffle+hoe

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Another vote for hoeing - on a dry day. If you hoe when it's wet the seedlings can reroot. I use a traditional Dutch hoe.

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tak2w

Squirrel & Zucchini casserole.....yummmmm!!! :)

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iookclub

when they got huge, I treated them like eggplants, cut them in circles, egg, breaded and fried. Then I layered them in a pan like lasagne with ricotta cheese, tomato sauce and mozzarella. It's a zucchini parmesan. It's delicious!

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exmar

Back in the 50's, a lot of tobacco was raised in this area. In the spring, part of the planting cycle was to "burn" the bed. A raised rectangular frame, usually just 8" logs, was built. Into this, brush, wood, straw, anything that would burn was packed solidly and ignited and burned down to ash. The ash/dirt mixture was gently stirred and tobacco seeds were sprinkled all over. A gauze or cheesecloth was unrolled and stretched tightly overall. I was about 8 when I saw this and asked what it was for? "To keep the weed seeds out." And it allowed gentle watering. What I learned from that was that even after burning for several hours which would kill weed seeds, etc. more would blow in. Whatever mulch, etc. you use, weeds will appear, be it seeds or rhizomes, we'll have to deal with them.

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katyajini(z6 NYC)

So true exmar.

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drmbear

The other advantage of the hoe, used often, is that you prevent weeds from going to seed. It may take a few years for all the old seeds to sprout from under a good layer of mulch, but if you keep new seeds from being deposited you'll eliminate most of your problems.

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katyajini(z6 NYC)

Thanks for the reassurance weirdrev and drmbear.

K.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Every time I have grown it - have a couple this year - it is an indeterminate but not a really tall one. Avg. 6' unlike the 8-10 foot ones. It has an indeterminate growth pattern for me in the internode lengths and the staggered spacing of the bloom clusters. But now they have the new Whopper Improved and I have seen yet so it may be different.

Can't help you with the "suckering" decision as I don't do it. I want the fruit they produce.

Dave

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jimmy56_gw (zone 6 PA)

I don't worry about the size of plant just it's production, My plants usually get 5-6 feet tall, I pinch the suckers off until the plant reaches 2-1/2 to 3 feet tall then just let them do their thing.

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LoneJack Zn 6a, KC

No, that is weird Trev :)

I don't worry so much about my plants while on vacation, but the weeds seem to know that they can have a party while I am away!

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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

Nope! She totally forgot to water......anything! Almost everything survived and I found a BUNCH of overgrown zuks (stuffed zuk for dinner!) Several are down at the end of the driveway with a free sign on them! LOL

Most of my summer trips are only a couple of days, so we're good to go! Nancy

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