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dianeepstein1945_gmail_com

Stranges garden center in Richmond VA has 3 packages of seed left for sale. I bought one there a few days ago. Contact me if you want me to buy you a package. they are $1.99 for a package of 15 seeds. Diane Floca Epstein email is dianeepstein1945@gmail.com

    Bookmark     June 5, 2011 at 2:31PM
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farmer_rons_patch

Hi, Does anyone have seeds of either plant? I will admit I'm more interested in the Cucuzzi aka cucuzza is Lagenaria siceraria.
(Cucurbita moschata) Cucuzza squash Zucchetta Cucuzzi, Serpent of Sicily

I do have seeds to trade or can do a SASBE for them.

Here is my exchange page:
http://www.gardenweb.com/members/exch/farmer_rons_patch

Thanks, Ron:)

    Bookmark     November 16, 2014 at 7:36AM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Compare with Eryngium foetidum - CUlantro

    Bookmark     November 15, 2014 at 3:27PM
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joseta

Thanks you are correct

    Bookmark     November 16, 2014 at 1:39AM
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RedSun (Zone 6, NJ)

"Asparagus is one of the very few crops that is never bothered by wildlife."

I'm not sure about this. Some folks reported that deer has eaten some of the asparagus ferns. There are also reports on wild life taking on the spears.

If I can decide on where to set up my asparagus bed, I can mix the soil with some fully composted wood chips and sawdust and let the soil over-winter. If I dig up the beds in spring, I can only use them as mulch. But I can still mix with peat moss.

    Bookmark     November 15, 2014 at 5:40PM
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glib(5.5)

Indeed deer will chomp down on spears and ferns.

    Bookmark     November 15, 2014 at 6:17PM
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Slimy_Okra(2b)

I would definitely blanch it before freezing it. Freeze-thaw cycles release enzymes that can quickly cause deterioration of flavor, even in a deep freezer.

    Bookmark     November 15, 2014 at 12:29PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Is it all soft and wilted, collapsed and blackened? If so then you wouldn't want it anyway. If not then it hasn't been frozen/damaged regardless of what your temps have been and likely it won't be. Kale grows all winter with no problems even in the far north.

But if you want to harvest it then yes, it will need to be blanched before packing for the freezer to destroy the spoilage enzymes.

You can learn more about the process over on the Harvest forum here as it is the food preservation forum.

Dave

    Bookmark     November 15, 2014 at 12:48PM
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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

bdot I'm in Sonoma Co, about 2 hrs west of you.
I planted on April 15th as I always do and had fine weather for growing after that.
The only thing that was not optimal was that I was in Hawaii the last week of May and the first week of June (well it was optimal for ME!) and my non-gardener daughter might have been impatient with the watering, but everything looked healthy when I got home.
Who knows???? Nancy

    Bookmark     November 11, 2014 at 8:56PM
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RedSun (Zone 6, NJ)

My cherry tomatoes grew wild this year and put on a lot of berries. But all the large ones are disappointing. Not sure why, but I did not fertilize them, and they are in the same bed the 3rd year.

Next year, I'm going to move them to a different bed. And to fertilize them more. I'll also try different varieties. I want more meaty, not watery.

    Bookmark     November 14, 2014 at 11:56PM
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charlieboring

Okay - The dye is cast; I am officially suffering from spring fever. I ordered artichoke and leeks seeds from Johnny's seeds. I will get 25 artichoke seeds, but expect I will plant only 10 plants. If I plant 20 seeds and get a 50% germination rate I will be satisfied. I am going start them under lights in my basement around January 10, 2015. I will start hardening them off around April 1 and transplant them to my raised bed in mid-April and cover as needed at night or during an unexpected cold snap. I realized that last year I did not get blooms because I transplanted them around May 3 and they did not get enough chill hours below 50 degrees. In any case Thomas Jefferson made it work at Monticello, so I should be able to make it work also.

    Bookmark     November 13, 2014 at 11:50AM
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sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

Hey Charlie, I can't shed too much light on overwintering them, but I did get a nice harvest of several medium and small chokes this summer. And that was from only two plants. I had had so many disappointments in previous years and only one successful harvest before this summer that I only planted the last of my seeds to empty the packet. Of course that means I'll be ordering more this year, now. Anyway, you propose basically the protocol I used.

I'm going to try keeping this years plants over the winter, but beyond the freezing I tend to get voles in my garden each winter and they love the artichoke roots. So we'll see who wins the battle this year, them or me. So good luck! I have pretty much the same weather you do, it bodes well!

    Bookmark     November 14, 2014 at 11:10AM
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ltilton

Leeks are probably the most hardy of all.

    Bookmark     November 10, 2014 at 1:00PM
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Mark(Oregon, Zone 8)

My leeks did fine last winter when the temps dropped to about 8F and never got above 20F for about 5 days.
Some of them got a bit mushy, but most were in salable shape.
-Mark

    Bookmark     November 13, 2014 at 11:50PM
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Id second VegetableThis also may be Broccoli Rab or Rapini.
Posted by carolstropicals November 13, 2014
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

'This also may be Broccoli Rab or Rapini.'

It isn't.

    Bookmark     November 13, 2014 at 4:55PM
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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

There's an app called garden compass that will usually ID a plant pic sent within 24 hrs. My hubby used it once and got a prompt reply. Nancy

    Bookmark     November 13, 2014 at 8:32PM
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elisa_z5

Agree with everyone above -- keep it!
And in the spring, if it tries to go to seed, just clip and eat the flowers and seed pods (they're delicious) and it will eventually get the idea and just make leaves instead of seeds (in my experience, anyway)

I've had kale plants produce for several years.
my kale last year stood minus 31 F under cover.
Unless it's Red Russian, in which case it might not last as long into the winter.

    Bookmark     November 9, 2014 at 11:06AM
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carolstropicals

I just made Kale chips in the dehydrator. You can also put it in the oven, but you would need to look up the temperature. I sprayed olive oil over all the leaves - not over doing it. Then covered one batch with powdered tomato and garlic pepper the other with powdered ranch dressing. Best to go heavy on the toppings.
Very good.

    Bookmark     November 13, 2014 at 7:48PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

The leaf appearance is neither of those compared to the varieties I have grown. No ruffled edges to the leaves. Sounds like you need a better tagging system. :)

Dave

    Bookmark     November 13, 2014 at 6:19PM
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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

Great suggestions! I hope I remember for next year! I'll probably use some store bought peppers before that, so maybe things will set in my brainpan to stay! Nancy

    Bookmark     November 12, 2014 at 8:46PM
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carol_in_california

I learned this from a cook at a local Mexican restaurant.......and it really works.
Remove a hair from your head and place it in your eye near the lower lid.
I have short hair but it took away the pain immediately.
You probably should wear rubber gloves unless you have gotten the hot stuff off your hands first.

    Bookmark     November 13, 2014 at 4:48PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Yeah it's his personal thing. Not all wood rots when it gets wet. Redwood, cedar, cypress to name just a few come to mind.

Personally I would much rather have wood in contact with my food crops than many of the composite materials with their additives leaching into the soil.

But many have posted pics here of very attractive raised beds made from cement blocks. I'd consider those before going with any of the other composites.

If all else fails, nothing says raised beds have to be framed in with anything. Very attractive and neat raised beds can be built just by creating slightly elevated soil mounds with a slightly trenched edge or using landscaping edging..

Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: Raised beds pics

    Bookmark     November 12, 2014 at 10:39PM
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planatus(6)

Since you don't want the beds very high, I'd look at some of the kits that use hollow plastic boards. They are lightweight and affordable, and people love them.

Twenty years ago I made some beds with decking planks, and one of them is still with me (others left behind in a move). The planks weather a bit, but they do not rot. You can get corner connectors at Home Depot, etc.

    Bookmark     November 13, 2014 at 7:41AM
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planatus(6)

Elisa, I found the big pumpkins overwhelming so this year I went little, with pie pumpkins, and I miss the big ones. There is a "neck pumpkin" version of Dickinson Field that is on my gotta-grow list (Sandhill Preservation Center has seeds). It goes to 40 pounds.

The vines of these big moschatas do run! One ran 15 feet to a storage shed, went up the side and crossed the roof and came down the other side. I've had crop failures when some OP moschatas bloomed alone, so I always plant a few butternuts that bloom at the same time, which prevents pollination problems.

    Bookmark     November 12, 2014 at 7:58AM
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elisa_z5

Ha! Great run away pumpkin story.

This is making me want to grow loads of pumpkins next year. I canned and froze a lot last year, so didn't grow as many this year since we haven't finished them all. Now I want to try all the Dickinson Field ones.

    Bookmark     November 12, 2014 at 7:24PM
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tishtoshnm Zone 6/NM

One of those facts I always find fascinating on archaelogical digs when they find sees that are thousands of years old that still germinate. Seems like there was a particular bean found here in the southwest that way. I find it somewhat less fascinating when I am dealing with puncture vine seeds though.

It is a piece of information that I keep in mind when evaluating the age of seeds. I have tomato seeds from 10 years ago that have done just fine. If I am being honest, most of the problems with germination and vigor of my seedlings are traceable to the gardener. :(

    Bookmark     November 12, 2014 at 3:01PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

most of the problems with germination and vigor of my seedlings are traceable to the gardener.

Excellent point! We'd all like to be able to blame failures on the seeds or the variety or the seed vendor or the soil or the weather or ...etc when in fact 90% of the time the blame for failure lies on us, the gardeners.

Farmers and gardeners have been successfully growing crops from saved seed multiple-seasons old for centuries. And if the crop quality wasn't high then all the effort and $$ that goes into all the international seed banks, seed harvesting, and seed storage is wasted effort and we are all in trouble.

Once a seed germinates its subsequent "vigor" as a seedling and then a plant is the responsibility of the gardener and the growing conditions we provide, not the age of the seed. Any and all nutrients contained in even the perfect seed coating are quickly used up by the cotyledon stage.

As I said, it is your choice and I'm sure the seed companies would like all of us to share your belief. But the truth is that the primary reason most experienced gardeners spend any money on buying new seeds each year is just to try a few new varieties or to replace hybrid seeds that we have used up over the years.

Personally, like others who have posted, over the past 50 years of gardening I have used 5-10 year old seeds for many crops including tomatoes, melons, cole crops, peppers, corn, and leafy greens with no issues with crop vigor. Some are stored in the freezer but most are just stored in an old fridge in the basement.

Dave

    Bookmark     November 12, 2014 at 3:53PM
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wertach zone 7-B SC

I haven't had very good luck with overwintering peas personally Chaman.

I can plant pre-sprouted seeds in the spring and they outgrow the over wintered.

But peas are hard to grow here anyway. When it gets warm enough for them to grow it gets too hot, too quick.

I threaten to give up every year, but then I try again. If the weather cooperates so that I get plenty I'm so happy!

But that only happens about every 4 or 5 years!

    Bookmark     November 12, 2014 at 1:35PM
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pnbrown

Peas can overwinter in 7z, I know for certain. Austrian winter pea, off course, but I have also fall-sown more typical ones (seed harvested from hybrid sugar snap) and most plants overwintered easily.

    Bookmark     November 12, 2014 at 2:06PM
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