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hokiehorticulture(z7 RIC/VA)

I'll agree with Dave and place my bet on rabbits as well

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smelvis36

Never caught the bugger but a small fence has seemed to work. I'm glad whatever it was wasn't a glutton.

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farmerdill

No, It is jst a standard NPK in soluble form with the additionof micronutrients . None of the micros are harmful to common plants.

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wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana

Suckers are common on early planted Ambrosia corn. I have had them so abundant that inner rows were...well very thick looking.

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farmerdill

Lawn grass ferilizer is also very expensive for what you get. If you want a processed nitrate supplement, field fertizer which comes in 50 lb bags at farm suppliers is much less expensive. You will have your choice of Ammonium nitrate, ammonium sulphate, urea, and possibly sodium nitrate.

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lgteacher(SCal zone 9b)

You can give it a try. There are way more seeds in a packet than you will need unless you are planning on having a farmstand. You can plant a few now and save the rest for next spring. I'm in 9b in SoCal and I'd do it (except I already have more zucchini than I know what to do with).

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Joe B

Im in 8a, and will probably plant a few more today fyi. I usually plant less than I want because sometimes a plant or two will really produce way more than we eat, other years it may take more plants. just so happens this year we are loving squash and zuch's so I am gonna plant a couple more. It helps zuchs especially love heat, so I set them up on my drip system, or if not, make sure I keep the soil watered well until they start taking off. I don't have to worry about squash bugs here in west texas, and if I am seeing borers, I will spray new plants with spinasad every few weeks on the stems and that seems to do the trick.

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Miss_Moose (Winnipeg, Canda. Zone 2)

@Weirdtrev, thanks for the advice, they're outdoors. I know tomatoes have both sexes in one flower... I vibrate them to mimic the effect of a bug or bee landing on the flower and shaking the pollen loose so it can pollinate itself. What's been happening in the past, is I let nature do the work and I get a super tiny tomato harvest... lots of blooms, no maters.

Growing some hybrid determinate bush tomatoes, they're at about maturity now and pushing out blooms

Then growing some heirloom indeterminate tomatoes, they too are at maturity and some are pushing out flowers. Thanks!

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weirdtrev

I don't think pollination is your problem, it is likely the temperatures. Blooms can abort on nights below 55 F and I see you are still getting nights in the high 40s low 50s. Hopefully it warms up for you so you can get some fruit set.

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jnjfarm_gw(5a)

I guess I don't understand what is so hard about watering it? if you are there to pick the beans it could be watered at the same time. I you dig a big hole and bury the pot, you are still going to have to water it till the roots get through the drainage holes which will be about the same time the plant quits producing.

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solarays

Watering anything every other day is pretty ridiculous. We are in a severe drought in California.

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n2xjk

I have 3 levels of defense around my garden, 4' 2x3 mesh fencing, 2' rabbit fence (8" buried), 2 hot wires (solar "10 mile" charger--burns plants that touch it). I'll still get the occaisional deer that jumps the fence, and a raccoon or two when the sweet corn is ready.

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Miss_Moose (Winnipeg, Canda. Zone 2)

this was hilarious lol

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

how-do-you-support-your-tomatoes

Hi Keith - here is a thread running right now about this question over on the Growing Tomatoes forum. Folks are posting pics of their various types of supports. The search there will also pull up many of the previous discussions about it.

Dave

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Miss_Moose (Winnipeg, Canda. Zone 2)

Yeah I did cages the first year of tomato season and ended up with a cage flopped over along with my plant... it was zero help. lol

I also stake mine now.

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Miss_Moose (Winnipeg, Canda. Zone 2)

Wow are people in other zones only now planting sunflowers? It never fails to amaze me the growing season differences across climate zones! Mine were started in march indoors and are currently 4' tall and pushing out flowers.

I don't know if they'll survive, but if they do I'd bet you'll get a few little sunflower heads rather than one large head. Flowers aren't like veggies in that they get cut back and grow right up again... the main stem produces one main flower. If it's damaged then the flower will produce off shoots to survive, and possibly several little sunflower heads. They won't be as big as the one large one and I don't know about harvest. At least that's been my experience. Google some images to see what I'm talking about... good luck

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jimmy56_gw (zone 6 PA)

When I mix my fertilizer in a 5 gallon bucket I always throw a handful of Epson salt with it.

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Molex 7a NYC

Provide me an .edu site recommending amending with Epson Salts I will happily eat crow. Unless there is a major deficiency in the soil, adding these salts just to add them is not a good idea, and I stubbornly stand by my broad statement. ;)

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dave_f1 SC, USDA Zone 8a(7b)

agsweeps, if your garden spot is receiving 6-7 hours of sun and most of that is during the middle of the day...that's considered full sun. I wouldn;t include the 2-3 hours of sun after sunrise and the 2-3 before sunset in the total. In southern latitudes, the "full sun" requirement is likely lower since the sun angle is higher almost all of the growing season. In general, its the fruiting vegetables that require the most sun (6-8h) and the leafy veggies the least. So reserve your sunniest spots for melons, tomatoes, corn, squash, beans. My peppers and basil do best with mid to late afternoon shade here in SC.

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agsweeps

That was really helpful guys looked at the website and the pdf and decided to go ahead with okra, eggplant, and watermelons to see how they do. and will plant some basil also..

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Great info rgreen! Especially

"Also keep in mind that gardening is a win/lose proposition from the start. Some years, depending on many factors, you gotta just cut your loses. Knowledge and experience will help you act and react to prevent problems, but even the best take big hits time to time."

That is the hardest lesson for new gardeners to learn and accept. But the quicker they accept it the sooner they quit striving for the impossible - "the perfect garden". Then they can begin to relax and enjoy the process. :)

Dave

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rgreen48(7a)

Dave... thank you. I think Greg is asking good questions. If some of these things work for him, he'll be off to a great start and ahead of the game.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

If the list of ingredients is accurate then I'm not sure why they would call it a "soil". So I suspect it has soil in it and wouldn't be good for containers IMO.

That said, in addition to the many different brands and mixes you will find recommended over on the Container Gardening forum here, many use both the MG Potting Mix sold at Walmart and Home Depot or the Stay-Green mix sold at Lowes. Personally I prefer either ProMix BX or Metro Mix 360 but they can be difficult to find in some parts of the country.

On the CG forum you'll also find many recommendations for what is called 5-1-1 mix that you make up yourself. It gets rave reviews from many container gardeners over there.

Dave

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winorchids(nor CA, USDA 9b, sunset 7/14)

I also have two huge unopened bags of the following which was another the nursery recommended to me (not sure why since it seems to be for soil amendment). Is this OK for containers such that I can use it to plant my cuke and zucchini seeds? Or should I use it for something else?

I will also check out the other forum.

Master Nursery Bumper Crop

Organic soil amendment from premium ingredients
Contains 15% chicken manure
Ideal for vegetable & flowers
Breaks up clay soils
Contains beneficial mycorrhizae

INGREDIENTS: Recycled forest products, composted chicken manure, bark fines, rice hulls, oyster shell lime (as pH adjuster), worm castings, bat guano, kelp meal

MASTER NURSERY BUMPER CROP can be mixed with your native soil as a nutrient rich amendment to grow vegetables and flowers, or can be used as an organic mulch to help retain water. With added beneficial mycorrhizae, worm castings, bat guano and kelp meal — and no harmful synthetic chemicals — BUMPER CROP creates a wonderful soil environment for strong root growth. Because BUMPER CROP is OMRI listed, you know you can trust that all of its ingredients and processes comply with USDA National Organic Program standards. The OMRI logo on the front of the bag tells you this product is proven organic.

Proven Organic
All of our products are listed by the Organic Materials Review Institute (OMRI), the leading non-profit, internationally recognized, third-party accreditor of the USDA’s National Organic Program (NOP). That means every ingredient and every process that goes into making our products have been 100% verified as organic, all the way to the original source. Look for the OMRI logo on the bag, ensuring every product is proven organic.

APPLICATION RATE:

2.0 CF – Transplants 4-5 one gal plants; or amends 20 sq ft
http://www.kellogggarden.com/products/masternursery/products/?s=bumper-crop

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Mike T

well...there we go...much appreciate the feedback. I guess this is what happens when one is a rookie gardener! Thanks again.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Unfortunately Mike you don't have any "soil" for it to be out of balance so that is the first fix - dirt. Not sure how you can do it if the plants are already in the ground but if there is space around them where it can be mixed in well that might help. Might well be too late for this year tho but come fall you are going to need a substantial amount delivered to till in or will have to dig up the whole bed. You never want more than about 40% compost in the bed - MAX.

Second, as what will be a big help to the plants this year if they survive is quit the daily watering. Never ever a good idea. Watering is a weekly thing at most, not a daily thing. :)

Good luck.

Dave

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Annie S

I dug it up last night. It seems pretty soft, I don't think it's viable. I got it from Burpee. I'm wondering if I should try to get my money back. The crown seemed fine when it arrived, so I'm not sure what happened. I don't think I planted it upside down... I watched a youtube video before I planted it. But I guess I'm not sure. I can't really tell it this point whether it was right side up or not.

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

If it's soft it sounds rotten. The top is pretty self evident with big bumpy buds so I shouldn't think you planted it upside down. Maybe over watered?

Perhaps a picture would tell us some more.

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