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dave_f1 SC, USDA Zone 8a(7b)

agsweeps, if your garden spot is receiving 6-7 hours of sun and most of that is during the middle of the day...that's considered full sun. I wouldn;t include the 2-3 hours of sun after sunrise and the 2-3 before sunset in the total. In southern latitudes, the "full sun" requirement is likely lower since the sun angle is higher almost all of the growing season. In general, its the fruiting vegetables that require the most sun (6-8h) and the leafy veggies the least. So reserve your sunniest spots for melons, tomatoes, corn, squash, beans. My peppers and basil do best with mid to late afternoon shade here in SC.

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agsweeps

That was really helpful guys looked at the website and the pdf and decided to go ahead with okra, eggplant, and watermelons to see how they do. and will plant some basil also..

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Great info rgreen! Especially

"Also keep in mind that gardening is a win/lose proposition from the start. Some years, depending on many factors, you gotta just cut your loses. Knowledge and experience will help you act and react to prevent problems, but even the best take big hits time to time."

That is the hardest lesson for new gardeners to learn and accept. But the quicker they accept it the sooner they quit striving for the impossible - "the perfect garden". Then they can begin to relax and enjoy the process. :)

Dave

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rgreen48(7a)

Dave... thank you. I think Greg is asking good questions. If some of these things work for him, he'll be off to a great start and ahead of the game.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

If the list of ingredients is accurate then I'm not sure why they would call it a "soil". So I suspect it has soil in it and wouldn't be good for containers IMO.

That said, in addition to the many different brands and mixes you will find recommended over on the Container Gardening forum here, many use both the MG Potting Mix sold at Walmart and Home Depot or the Stay-Green mix sold at Lowes. Personally I prefer either ProMix BX or Metro Mix 360 but they can be difficult to find in some parts of the country.

On the CG forum you'll also find many recommendations for what is called 5-1-1 mix that you make up yourself. It gets rave reviews from many container gardeners over there.

Dave

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winorchids(nor CA, USDA 9b, sunset 7/14)

I also have two huge unopened bags of the following which was another the nursery recommended to me (not sure why since it seems to be for soil amendment). Is this OK for containers such that I can use it to plant my cuke and zucchini seeds? Or should I use it for something else?

I will also check out the other forum.

Master Nursery Bumper Crop

Organic soil amendment from premium ingredients
Contains 15% chicken manure
Ideal for vegetable & flowers
Breaks up clay soils
Contains beneficial mycorrhizae

INGREDIENTS: Recycled forest products, composted chicken manure, bark fines, rice hulls, oyster shell lime (as pH adjuster), worm castings, bat guano, kelp meal

MASTER NURSERY BUMPER CROP can be mixed with your native soil as a nutrient rich amendment to grow vegetables and flowers, or can be used as an organic mulch to help retain water. With added beneficial mycorrhizae, worm castings, bat guano and kelp meal — and no harmful synthetic chemicals — BUMPER CROP creates a wonderful soil environment for strong root growth. Because BUMPER CROP is OMRI listed, you know you can trust that all of its ingredients and processes comply with USDA National Organic Program standards. The OMRI logo on the front of the bag tells you this product is proven organic.

Proven Organic
All of our products are listed by the Organic Materials Review Institute (OMRI), the leading non-profit, internationally recognized, third-party accreditor of the USDA’s National Organic Program (NOP). That means every ingredient and every process that goes into making our products have been 100% verified as organic, all the way to the original source. Look for the OMRI logo on the bag, ensuring every product is proven organic.

APPLICATION RATE:

2.0 CF – Transplants 4-5 one gal plants; or amends 20 sq ft
http://www.kellogggarden.com/products/masternursery/products/?s=bumper-crop

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Mike T

well...there we go...much appreciate the feedback. I guess this is what happens when one is a rookie gardener! Thanks again.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Unfortunately Mike you don't have any "soil" for it to be out of balance so that is the first fix - dirt. Not sure how you can do it if the plants are already in the ground but if there is space around them where it can be mixed in well that might help. Might well be too late for this year tho but come fall you are going to need a substantial amount delivered to till in or will have to dig up the whole bed. You never want more than about 40% compost in the bed - MAX.

Second, as what will be a big help to the plants this year if they survive is quit the daily watering. Never ever a good idea. Watering is a weekly thing at most, not a daily thing. :)

Good luck.

Dave

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Annie S

I dug it up last night. It seems pretty soft, I don't think it's viable. I got it from Burpee. I'm wondering if I should try to get my money back. The crown seemed fine when it arrived, so I'm not sure what happened. I don't think I planted it upside down... I watched a youtube video before I planted it. But I guess I'm not sure. I can't really tell it this point whether it was right side up or not.

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

If it's soft it sounds rotten. The top is pretty self evident with big bumpy buds so I shouldn't think you planted it upside down. Maybe over watered?

Perhaps a picture would tell us some more.

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booberry85(5)

Lots of rain in central NY. My veggies aren't dying but they aren't growing either. We could use a break from all the wet weather (but it doesn't look like we're going to get it. The county just south of us got 4 inches of rain yesterday!

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glib(5.5)

That is true all the way to Chicago and beyond. in the Detroit area, this qualifies as a very wet May-June. I think we have had 10 inches in the last month.

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Keith Kyle

Yeah that would be the eggs! Dish soap and water kicks butt! I used it on my green beans and broccoli.

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AliciaC

Do you just spray it over the tops or do you go leaf by leaf to get the underside as well? Is there a certain concentration you used?

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Crystal Lemon CucumberAnybody Growing or Grown it? Thanks All :)
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redtartan(5a)

I should clarify, it was fermented pickles, not in vinegar. They go mushy. Might be different in a brine.

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ninecrow(England)

Thanks Guys, I'm Growing Mine in a Big Pot on the Windowsill....

Found More Baby Female Flowers Today.

***YAY***

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Jeanne Stanley

Most of them are on one leaf. I saw a couple of them on others, but nothing like this.

They are definitely small insects. Some have wings, some don't.

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

OP said they were on one leaf so that's why I suggested it. Obviously picking the leaves off is not recommended if the plant is smothered ;-)

By the way - I've never seen galls with legs and antennae.

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patrolmantaggart

Keep an eye out for bees, hornets or wasps going in. It appears as though the mud around the hole was carefully placed there and not as a result of something emerging. Just my two cents.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

That's a really nice vole hole. He has his nest in the roots of your plant.

Dave

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jimmy56_gw (zone 6 PA)

What are the white one's called?

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jnjfarm_gw(5a)

If your dog loves cukes he will love green beans.

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bcomplx(z6VA)

The plants can cross with queen anne's lace, making the seeds less desirable. And why save seed from such a ready bolter anyway?

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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

I agree that I wouldn't save seed from a bolted carrot either. I didn't intend to sound as if I was recommending that, just that it's no longer usable for anything else.

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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

The ones I can see in the pic all show damaged fruit, fruit that is either distorted or has stopped growing for whatever reason - usually incomplete pollination or insects. Far as the plant is concerned they are done and it is in the process of aborting or dropping them. So that is a normal response for the husk to pop like that. Remove them and toss.

Dave

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ilodato(6b)

Our tomatoes often have these. They will usually fall off as the tomato grows bigger, thhe ind blows on them, etc. No biggie.

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AJ (6A)

Thanks. Thats what I assumed, but I couldn't find anything to reassure myself. Thanks!

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zeedman Zone 5 Wisconsin

I guess I want to better understand the situation, to come up with the best solution. Is space an issue? Will it be necessary to grow two crops in the same space, or can you succession-plant corn after another vegetable in a different space?

Personally, even if I had the season to do so, I would not follow corn with corn, for reasons of fertility. That's a good general rule of thumb for any vegetable, not following like with like... it also avoids or reduces insect & disease problems.

I prefer the succession crop method mentioned by Dennis, following a fast-maturing Spring crop (such as peas) with the second corn planting. To gain time, you could also plant them in a block of peas or bush beans, when the plants begin to flower. By the time the corn gets large enough to shade the peas/beans, they are already done... and the dying legumes would provide mulch & nitrogen. Hey, you might even find a few extra dry beans when you harvest the corn!

Oh, and lest I forget the first corn planting... you could follow that with a Fall crop of peas, brassicas, or garlic.

Haven't tried following potatoes with corn, but it might be interesting. When you hill the potatoes, plant the corn in the furrows. Then when you dig the potatoes (carefully!) hill up soil around the corn. My soil is too heavy for potatoes, or I'd try it myself.

Is the size of the crop an issue, or is the object just to spread out the harvest? How much corn & how much space are we talking about? You could just inter-plant two varieties in the same plot, one early, one late. You could use transplants for the early variety, but if they were too large, they might stunt the growth of the late variety planted between them. Personally, I would direct-sow the early variety, and direct-sow the late variety between them as soon as they had 2-3 leaves. Most of the main-season corns are taller than the early varieties anyway, but I would choose both varieties carefully to emphasize this difference, so the late crop would not be excessively shaded.

I'd have to agree with Wayne regarding the super-early corn varieties (such as the "polar" series). Their earliness seems to come at the expense of poor quality. I used to sow "Honeycomb" as my first planting, it's maturity is somewhere between early & main-season... don't know if it is still available. "Ruby Queen" has done well for me as a late planting, it seems to ear up well in cooler temps... I was picking it the night before frost last year.

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gdskis

Our corn should be ready to harvest en early July which would make a second planting a litle iffy for harvest before winter. I had a thought of planting new seed in the spaces between plants when they tassle. Then when we harvest just cut out the old plants with the new ones well established at about a foot tall,anyone got any input. This sound damn near genius to me. any opinions?

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