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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

I planted beets between two rows of artichokes this year. The beets did well, the artichokes did nothing. At least I got something harvestable from the bed.

Rodney

    Bookmark     November 19, 2014 at 2:12PM
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charlieboring

Last year my artichokes did nothing either, but I realized that my mistake was not to veralize them. I am told that artichokes need to experience 190-210 hours of temperatures below 50 degrees in order to induce blooming. Next year I intend to ensure that theat is done.

    Bookmark     November 19, 2014 at 2:47PM
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emorems0(PA - 6a)

No, lol... I meant 14 degrees F... apparently my lack of sleep and mommy brain got to me last night. I brought my two squash in this morning when I went out to defrost the chickens' water... the squash were frozen solid. I'm hoping I can cut them in half and bake them today without ill effects.

    Bookmark     November 19, 2014 at 9:35AM
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glib(5.5)

yes, you will be able to bake them.

    Bookmark     November 19, 2014 at 9:45AM
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Deeby

This is a very interesting and informative thread to follow. I know it has veered off from the original question but sometimes that's a good thing !

    Bookmark     November 18, 2014 at 8:25PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

I agree, Deeby, and as long as a thread follows the natural progression of the conversation, it works. That kind of a thread does seem to develop what you describe. It's not like we all started talking about woodworking. [g]

    Bookmark     November 19, 2014 at 6:20AM
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wertach zone 7-B SC

Wow! I would gladly sell 100 seeds for $5 and free shipping! ;)

    Bookmark     November 18, 2014 at 5:17PM
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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

Imn-F777- I would have thought that a spammer would try to make their post a little less obvious. Guess I was wrong.

wertach- If I had the room for corn (and if it was allowed on gardenweb) I might take you up on that offer. haha

Rodney

    Bookmark     November 18, 2014 at 5:44PM
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grubby_AZ Tucson Z9

Were all the colors dent? There's a lot of blue out there, from pastels all the way to solid indigo. Best guess would be Mayo (Tuxpeño or Batchi).

"FWIW I'll probably only replant the white ones just because the end product is easier to work with."

Don't be too surprised if you get the same variations you got before.

Here is a link that might be useful: Pictures

    Bookmark     November 17, 2014 at 9:16PM
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Peter1142(Zone 6b)

If the ground will probably be freezing very soon I would personally wait until spring. You would probably find a lot of different opinions on the best timing, if the board was more active.

    Bookmark     November 17, 2014 at 8:18AM
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Edzell

Thanks Jean & Peter.

I already decided to wait for spring to transplant my asparagus. We've abruptly had several consecutive nights approaching -10C and the (raised) bed doesn't get much daytime sun this time of year.

Besides, "Do nothing is always an option." :)

    Bookmark     November 17, 2014 at 10:24AM
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braidwood13

Nhbabs,

Good questions and comments all around. We bought this house a few months ago. I just built the beds and haven't grown in them yet. All of my gardening experience comes from containers on my apartment patio. I grew up with a gardening father and couldn't wait to get started on my own.

Like my father, most experienced gardeners tend to go for more potatoes, onionions beans etc that provide more real food year round. I guess I am guilty of just picking "cool" or "weird" veggies to be different. Seed catalogues and websites can be addicting. It would be hard for me to get rid of any of my plant choices... although I might cut down on a few to increase the onion/basil output.

I do not have the experience to know exactly how much room each plant takes up but I will take your advice and keep track of the weekly progress with pics. Crop rotation was something I thought I coukr figure out on the fly. A's long as I successively sew the greens to keep them young I could replant some in the fall... they hopefully will be in the shade of the trellis.
I will have to keep the fabrics in mind to increase the season.

Borage in there was Just to attract good bugs... maybe I dont need that .
My yard is fenced in and u didnt see many bees in the yard so I was hoping to attract what I could...

In conclusion, I need to learn and experience more before I can realistically have a full season plan. I would just be guessing beyond this layout.

Thanks forth response.

    Bookmark     November 17, 2014 at 8:16AM
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braidwood13

Nhbabs,

Good questions and comments all around. We bought this house a few months ago. I just built the beds and haven't grown in them yet. All of my gardening experience comes from containers on my apartment patio. I grew up with a gardening father and couldn't wait to get started on my own.

Like my father, most experienced gardeners tend to go for more potatoes, onionions beans etc that provide more real food year round. I guess I am guilty of just picking "cool" or "weird" veggies to be different. Seed catalogues and websites can be addicting. It would be hard for me to get rid of any of my plant choices... although I might cut down on a few to increase the onion/basil output.

I do not have the experience to know exactly how much room each plant takes up but I will take your advice and keep track of the weekly progress with pics. Crop rotation was something I thought I coukr figure out on the fly. A's long as I successively sew the greens to keep them young I could replant some in the fall... they hopefully will be in the shade of the trellis.
I will have to keep the fabrics in mind to increase the season.

Borage in there was Just to attract good bugs... maybe I dont need that .
My yard is fenced in and u didnt see many bees in the yard so I was hoping to attract what I could...

In conclusion, I need to learn and experience more before I can realistically have a full season plan. I would just be guessing beyond this layout.

Thanks forth response.

    Bookmark     November 17, 2014 at 10:24AM
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grandad_2003(9A/sunset 28)

Good question. I see that you are in climate zone 9 as am I. But where are you located? It might help to answer your question.

In our South Louisiana area we are typically setting plants in December for a late April/early May harvest. Not sure what the plants you described would do if they were currently in our garden.

This post was edited by grandad on Mon, Nov 17, 14 at 11:35

    Bookmark     November 16, 2014 at 6:45PM
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farmerdill

There is nothing by that name in the European database which list more tha 4000 varieties. You may want to look through to see if can recognize the variety you want. http://www.europotato.org/varietyindex.php?page_no=6

Here is a link that might be useful: European potato database.

    Bookmark     November 16, 2014 at 6:24PM
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dianeepstein1945_gmail_com

Stranges garden center in Richmond VA has 3 packages of seed left for sale. I bought one there a few days ago. Contact me if you want me to buy you a package. they are $1.99 for a package of 15 seeds. Diane Floca Epstein email is dianeepstein1945@gmail.com

    Bookmark     June 5, 2011 at 2:31PM
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farmer_rons_patch

Hi, Does anyone have seeds of either plant? I will admit I'm more interested in the Cucuzzi aka cucuzza is Lagenaria siceraria.
(Cucurbita moschata) Cucuzza squash Zucchetta Cucuzzi, Serpent of Sicily

I do have seeds to trade or can do a SASBE for them.

Here is my exchange page:
http://www.gardenweb.com/members/exch/farmer_rons_patch

Thanks, Ron:)

    Bookmark     November 16, 2014 at 7:36AM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Compare with Eryngium foetidum - CUlantro

    Bookmark     November 15, 2014 at 3:27PM
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joseta

Thanks you are correct

    Bookmark     November 16, 2014 at 1:39AM
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RedSun (Zone 6, NJ)

"Asparagus is one of the very few crops that is never bothered by wildlife."

I'm not sure about this. Some folks reported that deer has eaten some of the asparagus ferns. There are also reports on wild life taking on the spears.

If I can decide on where to set up my asparagus bed, I can mix the soil with some fully composted wood chips and sawdust and let the soil over-winter. If I dig up the beds in spring, I can only use them as mulch. But I can still mix with peat moss.

    Bookmark     November 15, 2014 at 5:40PM
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glib(5.5)

Indeed deer will chomp down on spears and ferns.

    Bookmark     November 15, 2014 at 6:17PM
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Slimy_Okra(2b)

I would definitely blanch it before freezing it. Freeze-thaw cycles release enzymes that can quickly cause deterioration of flavor, even in a deep freezer.

    Bookmark     November 15, 2014 at 12:29PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Is it all soft and wilted, collapsed and blackened? If so then you wouldn't want it anyway. If not then it hasn't been frozen/damaged regardless of what your temps have been and likely it won't be. Kale grows all winter with no problems even in the far north.

But if you want to harvest it then yes, it will need to be blanched before packing for the freezer to destroy the spoilage enzymes.

You can learn more about the process over on the Harvest forum here as it is the food preservation forum.

Dave

    Bookmark     November 15, 2014 at 12:48PM
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nancyjane_gardener(Zone 8ish North of San Francisco in the "real" wine country)

bdot I'm in Sonoma Co, about 2 hrs west of you.
I planted on April 15th as I always do and had fine weather for growing after that.
The only thing that was not optimal was that I was in Hawaii the last week of May and the first week of June (well it was optimal for ME!) and my non-gardener daughter might have been impatient with the watering, but everything looked healthy when I got home.
Who knows???? Nancy

    Bookmark     November 11, 2014 at 8:56PM
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RedSun (Zone 6, NJ)

My cherry tomatoes grew wild this year and put on a lot of berries. But all the large ones are disappointing. Not sure why, but I did not fertilize them, and they are in the same bed the 3rd year.

Next year, I'm going to move them to a different bed. And to fertilize them more. I'll also try different varieties. I want more meaty, not watery.

    Bookmark     November 14, 2014 at 11:56PM
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charlieboring

Okay - The dye is cast; I am officially suffering from spring fever. I ordered artichoke and leeks seeds from Johnny's seeds. I will get 25 artichoke seeds, but expect I will plant only 10 plants. If I plant 20 seeds and get a 50% germination rate I will be satisfied. I am going start them under lights in my basement around January 10, 2015. I will start hardening them off around April 1 and transplant them to my raised bed in mid-April and cover as needed at night or during an unexpected cold snap. I realized that last year I did not get blooms because I transplanted them around May 3 and they did not get enough chill hours below 50 degrees. In any case Thomas Jefferson made it work at Monticello, so I should be able to make it work also.

    Bookmark     November 13, 2014 at 11:50AM
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sunnibel7 Md 7(7)

Hey Charlie, I can't shed too much light on overwintering them, but I did get a nice harvest of several medium and small chokes this summer. And that was from only two plants. I had had so many disappointments in previous years and only one successful harvest before this summer that I only planted the last of my seeds to empty the packet. Of course that means I'll be ordering more this year, now. Anyway, you propose basically the protocol I used.

I'm going to try keeping this years plants over the winter, but beyond the freezing I tend to get voles in my garden each winter and they love the artichoke roots. So we'll see who wins the battle this year, them or me. So good luck! I have pretty much the same weather you do, it bodes well!

    Bookmark     November 14, 2014 at 11:10AM
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