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| Last year we grew petunias with phenomenal success. Using the old adage, 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it', we are growing them this year using the same methods and materials. We start them from seed. We get our seed from a variety of wholesalers. The die-off is occurring in all of our plants, so I doubt it is the seed. We start in 72-cell trays using ProMix PGX. They are then transplanted into 3 1/2" pots with Kellog Patio Plus soil: They also get a very small shot of Dr. Earth Life: The only plants that are currently affected are those that in the 3 1/2 inch pots. We have a mixture of some old pots from last year and some brand new pots. They are in the greenhouse with propane heat. We are not dropping dead when we walk in so I don't think there is an exhaust leak from the propane heater. We are in the Pacific Northwest and have had some fairly cold days. The effected trays were near the back of the greenhouse, furthest from the heater. Our coldest night dropped down to approx. 38F in the greenhouse. We also have a large amount of pepper transplants that also seem to be dying in the same manner. This is what they look like in the 72-cell trays. Everything seems to be going well: This is one of the transplant trays with the dying plants. They seem to get a whitish tinge on the edge of the leaves before they keel over: This tray seems to look ok. There is a bit of death on the edges of the leaves, but they don't seem to be looking sad in the same way as the other ones. I don't recall exactly where in the greenhouse this tray was so I don't know if they were touched by cold air: Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time. |
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- Posted by ken_adrian z5 (My Page) on Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 16:17
| looks like cold damage to me ... keep clicking the image until you get a super close up ... it appears .... that there was individual plant cell damage with near freezing temps ... one might wonder how you established 38 degrees... was the thermometer at the warm end.. or the cold end ... i think you already diagnosed your problem.. when you noted that the problem is at the end.. furthest from the heater ... its apparently much colder down there... having never run a greenhouse.. if you cant increase heat.. can you increase air movement???? ken |
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| Ken, Thank you for your response. At this point I think that the best answer would be if it was, indeed, the cold. If it is my potting soil then, well, I have a problem. I have eight pallets of it sitting in my yard right now. The thermometer was centrally located in the greenhouse on that very cold nigh. There is a good chance that that end of the greenhouse got colder. I *can* increase the heat, I am just hoping that I don't need to. Propane is not cheap right now and that stupid money tree I bought off of eBay has yet to produce a yield. I may try putting a fan in there to increase circulation on the next cold night we have. We are testing our soil and growing conditions right now and hoping to pin down the exact cause. If anyone else has any other input, it would certainly be appreciated. Thank you for your time. |
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Your second picture looks like severe iron deficiency. I guess you could give them a little iron, and see if they perk up. Make sure it is just a little. Too much iron can be toxic (phytotoxic in the case of plants.) |
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| Zenman, Thank you for your reply. Attached is a picture of one of the pepper plants that was also out in the greenhouse with the petunias. As you can see, all of the leaves have fallen off. However, inspecting the stem, there are no signs of discoloration or weakness, The roots are white and seem to be in good shape. |
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- Posted by ken_adrian z5 (My Page) on Thu, Feb 27, 14 at 18:31
| two things... first.. at your photo site.. at the very bottom right.... it says ... GET EMBED CODES ... copy the HTML code... and paste it right where you type.. on preview.. if you see it.. we will see it ... second ... you dont have to turn up the heat.. the close end proves such ... you need to MOVE AIR ... what about two box fans .. in the middle .. one to each side... facing each direction.. to create a circular air pattern ... i think thats the definition of circulation.. lol ... zenny is prime on seed growing.... but those look like good roots to me ... with what??... 95% of your crop being good.. i would be leery to go changing much of anything .... you used new media.. yes??? if recycled ... that could be a problem.... but the location thing begs to differ... that was a third thing.. so i .. wish you luck ken |
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| Thank you Ken. I didn't know that GardenWEB allowed embedded HTML. I will remember that for future use. I don't think the pictures are really showing the extent of the damage. I only wish it were 95% good :( The greenhouse is set up the same way it was last year but, I'm willing to embrace change. Circulation fans were on my to-do list for this year anyway, I guess I will just be getting them a little earlier. The media is all new, no recycled potting soil. |
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| ZM and Ken, I strongly feel you are correct. My young petunias last year were all over the yard. Suddenly I would get one like the ones you show. They would just die. I freaked thinking this would spread. I carefully pulled each plant that was affected. The adjoining plants continued to grow. I determined that some petunia seedlings were genetically resistant to the Phytophthora virus attack. Something that has stuck in my mind every since I read it years ago on the Wave Petunia site. It said never plant petunias in the same bed the following year, rotate because of disease. I haven't; I get some that get attacked; the rest flourish. Another interesting observation for me this year: The seedlings this year have weathered freezing temperatures (not a prolonged deep freeze) without being cover. Regarding the peppers, I get that also. For me it is the soil disease: Phytophthora blight. Similar thing that kills the petunias (Phytophthora nicotianae) |
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