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Last year's yamadori is budding! Now what do I do?? (Pics)

thirdyearbonsai
13 years ago

Hey folks--

Last year I posted about my first try at yamadori, and I am pleased to report that I have successfully over-wintered the tree! Thanks to all who helped me out--especially Bob, without whom the tree would probably be dead.

Now it's budding and I don't know what to do!

Here's a link to some nice hi-res images of the lil' guy...I think it's a Hemlock spruce, but I am not sure.

http://picasaweb.google.com/113976204648123069310/HemlockYamadoriCollected2009#

What do you think?

(Sorry, I am trying to figure out how to insert pictures directly into my posts, haven't quite got it yet.)

Anyway, the pictures were taken today, and if you click on the magnifying glass in the upper left you'll get a nice close-up of the buds.

My questions involve training the tree--I have no idea what to do really, but I think the tree has a lot of potential.

To the gurus out there: thank you in advance! I appreciate your time and input.

Best,

3rdYr (Now 4th year actually :)

Comments (12)

  • thirdyearbonsai
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Also, for what it's worth, here's a link to my original post from last year.

    Here is a link that might be useful: First try at yamadori; collected fir sapling

  • tapla (mid-Michigan, USDA z5b-6a)
    13 years ago

    I guess if you collected it it's probably Tsuga canadensis, but it sure looks like Taxus (yew).

    Keep it healthy & let it grow. Don't prune anything. It has a way to go before you can start working to make a believable bonsai. You might want to consider putting it in the ground for a few years .... or at least getting it into a good bonsai soil (if it's not already) and into a large pot so it can fatten up.

    Al

  • larke
    13 years ago

    Well I don't know about Western hemlock, but it certainly looks like an Eastern one, if it isn't a yew. Good going!

  • thirdyearbonsai
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Thanks guys!

    Al, you may be right about the Tsuga, but it is definitely not a yew.

    P.s., you are a legend! Thank you for reading my post! I really hope you'll weigh in on my others.

    3rdYr

  • gardener_guy
    13 years ago




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  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    13 years ago

    Hey, Fourth Year! ;)
    (I'm greenman31 now, I guess...!)

    Congratulations on the Hemlock!
    Here are a few comparison images of a plant that was labeled Tsuga canadensis....
    Coincidentally, it was purchased with a Taxus baccata 'David' - the pair for $10.

    There isn't much for scale, but these needles are about a half-inch.

    {{gwi:9939}}
    {{gwi:9940}}
    {{gwi:9941}}

  • tapla (mid-Michigan, USDA z5b-6a)
    13 years ago

    Lucy - T(suga) canadensis IS eastern hemlock, aka Canadian hemlock.

    3rd year - I don't know about that legend thing Lol - prolly more than a little over the top, but thanks for the kind words anyway. I'll try to watch for your posts. ;o)

    Al

  • thirdyearbonsai
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Thanks guys!

    Greenman- both for $10? What a steal.

    Al- I wish I could put all my bonsai in the ground, but unfortunately my living situation doesn't permit for that at the moment...I am working on it though.

    Do you think it would be better to leave it alone this year, or re-pot it into a slightly larger container (it's currently in a 10" pot, I could probably get a 12" or 14") with a better soil mix?

    Right now it is in mostly potting soil with maybe 1/5 sand, and 1/5 field soil (from when I collected it last year).

    Thanks a lot!!

    3rdYr

  • tapla (mid-Michigan, USDA z5b-6a)
    13 years ago

    It would definitely benefit from a change to a more appropriate soil and room for roots to run.

    Everyone has their own view about what makes a bonsai. Some are only happy if the proportions are approximate to established guidelines, and others are perfectly happy with a liner in a pot. Whatever you feel is a bonsai should be a bonsai to all of us, even if only for the sake of encouragement. It's always been my philosophy that the more experienced of us shouldn't steal your budding joy by criticizing you for not conforming to our own arbitrary set of standards, that we should see your trees through YOUR eyes instead of our own.

    It's ok for me to tell you what I would do, but at the same time I think I should encourage you to do what YOU want to do, and that's what I'm doing. If it pleases you to trim it up and make it more compact, then go ahead. It will slow the growth, but if you get more enjoyment out of looking at it, then do it. Have fun and don't worry about what everyone thinks. If you stay with bonsai, there will come a time when you'll want to reach a little further and strive to improve the visual impact of your trees. You'll know when that is, so don't let anyone push you toward it prematurely.

    Al

  • thirdyearbonsai
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Al-

    That is great advice, and I appreciate your thoughtful point of view.

    At this point, I guess what I am really asking for is tips on how to keep my trees alive and healthy. I haven't had them for enough seasons to really understand the growing cycles, etc...

    So if you think it would benefit from a re-potting into better soil and a bigger container, then I am going to give it a shot. I can see that it would, too. Can you recommend a mix?

    Also, I am beginning to question whether or not this could be a yew...It really looks like one, and the needles are noticeably longer than greenman's hemlocks.

    The reason I said it was "definitely not a yew" is because the area I collected it from doesn't really have any yew in it...But here in Vermont hemlock are everywhere.

    This weekend I think I'll repot it. I know that spring is an important time of the year for working with trees, so I understand that time is a factor. How much time do you think we have left for this sort of thing before it's too late this year?

    Thx.

    3rdYr

  • larke
    13 years ago

    I'm going to assume your tree is a hemlock (which I have grown and which grew full size in the ground on my previous property in Eastern Canada). The young ones need light shade for a few years, and both them and mature trees need a relatively good amount of water compared to other conifers - in other words don't let them dry out. You may at some point see a problem with woolly adelgids - hemlock pests that will make the trees look pale brown and woolly but deal with it if it happens (it's all too common with this tree).

  • tapla (mid-Michigan, USDA z5b-6a)
    13 years ago

    What will have the most important and largest impact on your ability to keep your trees growing with good vitality and at close to their potential genetic vigor is your choice of soil. It is the foundation of every planting, and we all know how difficult it is to build on a weak foundation.

    If we could select properties for our soil the way we select groceries from a grocery store, our soils would be something like this:
    * Easy to make from a few ingredients
    * Not phytotoxic (poison to plants)
    * Favorable pH range
    * They would hold enough water so intervals between required waterings are convenient
    * They would drain perfectly (hold no perched water)
    *size> They would have some adjustability for water retention by simply varying the %s of ingredients
    * They would not break down under use - or would break down very slowly
    * They would hold nutrients well
    * they would be easy to remove from roots at repot time

    Can anyone think of anything I missed?

    This soil does all those things very well
    {{gwi:7488}}

    It's equal parts by volume of

    1/8-1/4" pine or fir bark
    Screened Turface
    Crushed granite (Gran-I-Grit in grower size or #2 cherrystone)
    1 tbsp gypsum/gallon of soil

    Let me know if you have questions.

    Al


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