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| Here's a comparison on how peppers did in various organic, zero cost mixes. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Pepper container comparisons
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| eg I asked few questions about your experiment in yout other thread (about eggplants). Rina |
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- Posted by greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a (My Page) on Tue, Sep 4, 12 at 13:44
| Yikes! Half bark and half turface....that would take more than a week to dry out here. I wouldn't think that combination would make a "well-aerated" mix, especially if you added a water reservoir. As I watched, I predicted that there wouldn't be much root in that mix. I also noticed that you had different things going on in each container. For a comparison,
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- Posted by emgardener 9 BayArea CA (My Page) on Tue, Sep 4, 12 at 14:46
| Hi Josh, Well, no water reservoir, the extra tub was just to pipe any drainage off the deck. You're in Northern California also, so I've wondered why you've gotten better results than I. Can I ask where in NoCal(many different microclimates here) and also what are the hours of sunlight your containers receive, what time in the morning do they first get sun and until what time in the evening. I'm trying to understand the difference I've observed to what I see you and others get. Cheers |
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- Posted by TheMasterGardener1 5B (My Page) on Tue, Sep 4, 12 at 14:58
| I for one enjoyed your experiment very much emgardener. "I'm trying to understand the difference I've observed to what I see you and others get. " Here is two cayenne in 100% top soil :) I have found my best mix is 50%peat moss/50% topsoil from the garden. Cost=75 cents a cuft. Fast lived annuals I found anything will work great, like some others on here agreed. The mix of 50% peat and 50% top soil drains so fast I would never consider ever buying soil for growing peppers! :) |
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- Posted by greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a (My Page) on Wed, Sep 5, 12 at 10:04
| Hey, EM! I'm up here in the Auburn area, in the foothills of the Sierra Nevadas, about 40 miles I think there was too much Turface in your mix in this trial, and I would recommend cutting With your trial mix, I think plants in a smaller container would have performed wonderfully,
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- Posted by emgardener 9 BayArea CA (My Page) on Fri, Sep 7, 12 at 0:13
| Hi Josh, Thanks for the info. Obviously somethings going on with my turface:bark tub that I don't fully understand. I had assumed that since the compost based tubs were wetter and doing well, the turface:bark issues weren't due to wetness. Another conclusion could be the compost helps the plants deal with wetness better. My main focus is on only using yard materials, cost really isn't an issue, it's just a fun challenge to make good containers without buying any mix or fertilizer. Well I do have a tub full of bark fines that are unused. I'll make a well sifted/screened 5:1:1 tub next spring. I do want to understand how you and greentiger get good results in hot weather. Cheers |
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| How much mycelium was in the rotted branch chunks? |
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| Thanks for all the work you did, which was pretty effective in displaying the various problems. You were pretty good at showing what does not work. I will look forward to your tests next season. Al |
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- Posted by TheMasterGardener1 5B (My Page) on Fri, Sep 7, 12 at 9:52
| Why not just start making leaf mold and compost? There you go, endless grow media. |
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- Posted by greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a (My Page) on Fri, Sep 7, 12 at 20:00
| Howdy, EM! It sure is hot up here, isn't it? ;-) Our soil temps, in-ground, are running 78°F right now!!! When you trial the 5-1-1 next season, you can add your fine compost to the mix instead of the Nevada City is an awesome little town in a fantastic forested location...about 25 minutes from
Josh |
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- Posted by emgardener 9 BayArea CA (My Page) on Sat, Sep 8, 12 at 13:39
| nil, There was a fair amount of mycelium in the branches in the top half of the tub. In the soggy bottom not as much. greenman, em |
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| I'm wondering if the mycelial mass is what is really holding the majority of the water. That could lead to some interesting experiments with cultured mycelium. |
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- Posted by TheMasterGardener1 5B (My Page) on Sun, Sep 9, 12 at 12:11
| emgardener, I noticed you wrote: "I'm trying to understand the difference I've observed to what I see you and others get. " So I showed a pic of my peppers in my free soil. I am experementing just like you are and I am very interested in your tests. It is strange that you completely ignored me all together? "I for one enjoyed your experiment very much emgardener. " |
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- Posted by emgardener 9 BayArea CA (My Page) on Mon, Sep 10, 12 at 2:05
| Hi MG, I enjoyed seeing your picture, just didn't have questions about it, understood it. Other ones I didn't fully understand. Most of my posts are ignored, so we share good company :) cheers and happy gardening |
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- Posted by TheMasterGardener1 5B (My Page) on Mon, Sep 10, 12 at 3:03
| After seeing your experiment, I was inspired to make a free mix. I think having a soil that is free and making it work is very impresive. :) |
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- Posted by Paul_30068 7 (My Page) on Wed, Sep 12, 12 at 5:39
| Keep up the experiments. I like making free soil, too. I compared Miracle Grow with 3 month slow release fertilizer to home made compost this year for beets and the compost won big time. I need to snap some pictures before I harvest. Next year I plan to put 5-1-1 vs. compost to the test. Making my own soil has a high degree of satisfaction for me. I start with heirloom seed and soil from my yard and compost pile, harvest fruits and vegetables, harvest some new seed, and repeat. Making soil mixes from store-bought materials is a hassle and an expense and so far I'm not as impressed as I am supposed to be with the experience. Too much watering required. |
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