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Posted by tobemeghan 5/6/7/8 (My Page) on Sun, Jan 29, 12 at 14:33
| Okay, I know you all know that last year was a BAD year for gardens. Here in KS we were in a drought (not as bad as some places though) and it got up to 114*+. Luckily we have a very good well and kept the garden well watered (even when our well pump went out and we were without was for 2wks we hauled it in by the stock tank) and put up shade tarps but it didn't help much. We have the most BEAUTIFUL tomato plants, they were huge with great color and foliage but no fruit (some green tomatoes but they didn't ever ripen) we literally got 3 small tomatoes the entire year. Some of the other stuff did well, we had a good pepper and potato/sweet potato crop but that was about it (oh the squash did okay as did the eggplant). The corn tasseled out at 3ft (all three plantings), the cucumbers died from heat and TERRIBLE bugs, the green beans wouldn't even come up and the plants that were raised in the green house didn't survive the heat. The melons were small and ripened out to early, etc. etc. etc. ETC.
SO my question is does anyone have any tips for beating the heat? We have tried early gardens but last year it got to 100 in april and the year before we had snow in late may so hard to predict. Our weather is increasingly erratic, last year during the winter we got several feet of snow and down to -25 but this year we are dry and in the 50s-60s. We are crazy to even try to grow a garden? It wasn't 10yrs ago and we had so many tomatoes, cucumbers, corn, etc. that we gave it away all day long, canned hundreds of jars, frozen it, etc. and some still rotted before we could get it up. Now.....I can't remember the last time we had more than a dozen small tomatoes, cukes or corn none the less melons!
Any thoughts? |
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RE: how to grow veggies in the hot hot hot weather
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| Last year was a crappy year here for tomatoes, too. I'm your neighbor just to the north. :) The tomatoes in my normal planting area, which usually goes gangbusters, were sad and disappointing. Hardly any fruits, and the ones that did fruit were spotted and unpalatable. But the tomatoes, cucumbers, green beans, peas, and peppers that were in and near my hoophouse all grew like crazy! And that's in spite of daytime temperatures in there getting to be 118 degrees F! I've read that high temps and low humidity can prevent tomatoes from setting fruit. Perhaps the steamy conditions of the trapped moisture in the hoophouse (in spite of opening all three doors and venting the sides) helped somewhat with the fruiting. My back hurts remembering all the heavy fruit we picked out of the tomatoes. Also, how do you water? I generally favor drip irrigation, but if you needed to raise humidity for fruiting then some misting might help? I heard that pollination usually occurs around midday, so misting prior to midday if the humidity is low could do something. I have NO experience trying this--I'm just postulating about that. The green beans not coming up sounds like a more basic problem with the germination. Perhaps this summer keep a close eye on the beans at germination time, and if they don't come up, replant immediately. For the cucumbers, mine always have a few productive weeks and then decline, especially if the cucumber beetles infect them. Since I have a young cucumber monster in the house I plant about three to five relays of cucumbers every summer, ripping the vines out mercilessly once they start to produce misshapen cucumbers. I HATE cucumber beetles. Oh, and the basics of: -mulch, mulch, mulch! (with a non-rock mulch for coolness) -water early in the day Other than all that, I would need to get more blow-by-blow details to figure out what might have gone wrong. I bought shade netting last fall that I intend to implement this summer over the hoophouse. |
RE: how to grow veggies in the hot hot hot weather
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| We all agree that last year was especially difficult. But we need to avoid falling into the trap of assuming the unusual weather was the cause of all of it. That would be too easy and likely unproductive. Instead we need to carefully investigate all the other aspects of our gardens - location of the garden, nutrient levels, improving the soil quality and water retention ability, changing the plant spacing used, more flexible planting times, closer weather monitoring, much more hand pollinating, different methods of water application, using 2-3x as much mulch, a different mulch, etc. etc. We can't dictate or control the weather but we can have a very direct impact on all these other factors so that the weather, whatever it is, has less impact. Dave |
RE: how to grow veggies in the hot hot hot weather
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| 50%+ shade cloth and mulch...unfortunately, the shade cloth part is not practical in some people's gardens. They keep the mid-late day sun off the plants and help keep the roots cool. Also, especially in containers, watering just before the hellish heat of the day has shown to cool roots and help ease the plant's comfort, though some of that water is "wasted" as it leaves the leaves. This action also cools the immediate environment around the plant, too, though...so it's not that "wasted." |
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| Oh yeah, and selecting plants that are genetically prone to produce better in high heat is good, too. Substitutions in crops is something to look at, too...such as growing "Armeninan" cukes (melons, actually) rather than traditional cukes during the mid-summer. |
RE: how to grow veggies in the hot hot hot weather
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| In addition to the mulch and attention to watering mentioned, try shadecloth. A 30% weave will still let fruit ripen, but will help bring down the temperatures. Of course, Mother Nature might be reading this thread, and saying "aha, they are planning for heat... Maybe I'll go long, cool and rainy on them instead!" Cheers! |
RE: how to grow veggies in the hot hot hot weather
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| Has anyone ever tried growing tomatoes in full sun in the morning with full shade in the afternoon? Full sun in the morning here is from six a.m. until at least noon. I have been wondering what would happen if I put some potted tomatoes on the porch where they got these conditions....it would be cooler in the afternoon. Do you think it would be cool enough for them to fruit? Would that be enough sun? |
RE: how to grow veggies in the hot hot hot weather
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- Posted by jolj 7b/8a-S.C.USA (My Page) on
Mon, Jan 30, 12 at 20:58
It was not the best year, but S.C. I got 6 foot corn with 1-2 ears per stalk. Now the winter before 17 degrees F in Oct, killed 200 cole plants. I was beginning to believe All the Global Warming, we will be a desert in a few years & BAM! A old time cold winter, a new zone my foot. Here hoping every one has a good garden year in 2012, just before the world ends. Sorry, I am going to compost my soap box now. |
RE: how to grow veggies in the hot hot hot weather
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| Donnabaskets, the folks who had this house before us used to grow their tomatoes up against the east side of the house. They were shaded all afternoon and performed quite well. I didn't grow any there last year, wanted flowers there, tomatoes in veg patch. The summer we moved in and ate their tomatoes was an unusually hot, long summer for us, and I do recall that there was a period of reduced fruit set, but they never quite stopped and the vines never looked to really struggle. Would be worth a try, might extend your harvest at the least. Cheers! |
RE: how to grow veggies in the hot hot hot weather
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- Posted by SoTX 8b/9a (My Page) on
Wed, Feb 1, 12 at 3:35
| My "early" garden was a bust, even with shadecloth on parts of it, though I may have waited too long before shading. I grew 4 kinds of corn, all supposed to be heat & drought tolerant & got nary an ear, but it bloomed. On the other hand, my fall garden did well & I managed to get at least some tomatoes. My winter garden is peculiar--lettuce & some greens bolting, broccoli making loose heads, etc. In January. Just enough cold weather for my cabbage to start heading finally. I have planted a couple of cool weather tomatoes in hopes they will survive, but the others stay in for now. Most of the black tomatoes will continue to produce in heat & a few others. I find myself freezing more now so I know I will have it. Last year was a sure cure for complacency! |
RE: how to grow veggies in the hot hot hot weather
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| I think the best approach is to incorporate as much diversity into your garden plan as possible. There is no way of knowing what this summer will bring (or even if, as jolj so ominously implies, it might be our last), so the surest way to enjoy at least partial success is to plant a variety of crops, and an assortment of varieties, that will thrive in the broad parameter of conditions you are most likely to experience, and to plant those crops in various setting and at various times. the more variables you introduce, the more likely it is at least some of them will succeed. |
RE: how to grow veggies in the hot hot hot weather
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| What Dave said. Temps way over 100 cannot be fully mitigated of course, but there is no chance at all without windbreaks, maximum fertility, moisture management, and appropriate crop choices. As an example of that last, looking a little bit outside the temperate latitude world for crops can be useful. Vigna and some other legume families offer great options for very hot summers. Cajanus cajan (pigeon pea) has some day-nuetral short-season varieties, and that puppy can take almost anything but frost. |
RE: how to grow veggies in the hot hot hot weather
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| Thanks, sunnibel. I read about someone else who has tried this over on the Tomato Forum. Two positive testimonials is good enough for me. I'm gonna try a pot or two on the porch this year! |
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