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"chemtrails" affecting So california garden?

voxleo
9 years ago

I am frustrated with the results in my yard this year, as absolutely everything has struggled to produce even minimal pathetic results when past years have not been nearly as problematic. The only thing that had much vigor was the 3 or 4 year old grapevine which ran into powdery mildew problems to spoil what would otherwise have been a lovely harvest.

But other plants failed miserably all across the board whether they were in containers or throughout the garden in front and back despite the amendments and composts and organic fertilizers. Some of it was grubs - I found hundreds in the persimmon tree when I placed it in a new pot when it wasn't doing well after a nice harvest last year. But there were none in the soil where my corn struggled miserably and it seemed like it had started off so well.

The corn stopped growing at half to two thirds of the height it would normally reach, and was terribly thin and streaked along the veins with dryness and brown although they did flower and set fruit they just seemed to be dying of thirst despite the soil appearing moist enough. Peas never grew past a foot high all fall, asparagus made an attempt until the dog dug it up, cucumbers and honeydew and cantalope all kaput, even the zuchinni was really feeble, though I managed two plants and a few fruits but nothing like previous overabundant to absurd proportions. Strawberries are at an impasse, not dying but not doing much else. Only two tomatoes did much of anything but even those seemed less stout than usual and the fruit much smaller. Peppers also in a holding pattern after seedlings were transplanted.

The thing that baffles me is that it is not only certain spots and even extends to new areas of the garden which have not been cultivated before but exhibit the same symptoms.

I was wondering if anyone else has this issue in socal this year because my boyfriend has it in his head that it is something to do with :chemtrails' and suffice it to say, I am skeptical of this theory but frustrated enough with the problems in my garden to consider it a possibility at this point.

I attacked the grub problem when I discovered around August, but it hasn't seemed to do much except prevent the pansies in the front from succumbing entirely for the third time (lost more than 40-60 of those since January, one from Home Depot stock and one from Armstrong nursery - two plantings total loss. Went back to Depot because at least they will replace the dead soldiers and the third seems to be holding on but not thriving. Even the sunflowers were sadly scrawny too.

It's been an expensive and unproductive year in my garden. Is it something I did differently? Am I the only one who feels like this year has been an unusual challenge?

Comments (24)

  • digdirt2
    9 years ago

    No you are not the only one. The many previous discussions here about similar results will show that unfortunately.

    How was your weather pattern compared to normal? That is what has caused garden-wide problems for many this past year - the well documented weird weather patterns.

    Otherwise, under-performance across the board is usually caused by a soil problem - a wide spread grub or other soil pest issue, skewed soil pH so nutrients aren't available to the plants (very common), widely inconsistent soil moisture levels, etc. Have you thoroughly investigated those possibilities by getting a professional soil test done? Another is a radical change in sun exposure?

    Many things come to mind as possible causes that would have far more validity than "chemtrails".

    Dave

  • sweetquietplace
    9 years ago

    After seeing chemtrails overhead I have noticed stickiness on plant leaves the next morning. I have also noticed at different times frost-like sparkling on the pastures in the middle of summer...and it's not dew.

  • ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
    9 years ago

    dont buy a word of it

    ken

  • jean001a
    9 years ago

    Stickiness on plant leaves is due to honeydew, excreted by certain small sucking insects, the most common of which are aphids and scale.

    Okay, back to voxleo's challenges.

    Where in CA do you live?

    If in SoCal, various soil conditions may be among the causes or contributing factors. Among them root knot nematodes and several soil-borne diseases.

    Problems are often different in containers than in the ground and are usually related to water (too much or too little) and/or whatever was used to fill the container.

    Consider planting date.
    Also consider if the sun exposure was appropriate for each kind of plant.
    And water -- how do you decide if the plants need it. Then how do you apply it? (Method and timing, please.)

    How did you prep the garden soil before planting?

    Consider root knot nematodes (RKN), especially on tomatoes and any plants started from direct sowing into the garden.
    If RKN, you can see the damage on the roots if you dig up the plants. (When you pull them out, the evidence remains in the ground.) Affected roots will resemble a strand of variously sized "beads."

    Lots more needs to be discussed. But we need some of the details from you first. Without details, we can only guess.

    Jean,
    who gardened for 30-some years in Long Beach, CA.

  • daninthedirt (USDA 9a, HZ9, CentTX, Sunset z30, Cfa)
    9 years ago

    You could go look up the "chemtrail conspiracy theory" (on the screwy presumption that something bad in your garden has to be the fault of a sinister government plot), and you could get a soil test. Both would be good things to do.

    I've noticed bad things in my garden after I sneeze. So ...

    But the fact that you've had good gardens in this plot at other times makes it a bit more complicated. If you did something differently this year, you're the only one that can figure it out.

  • nancyjane_gardener
    9 years ago

    My garden was also pretty miserable this year for no obvious reason!
    I had some 1# tomatoes last year and this year they were cherry tomato sized. Almost no peppers, cukes, eggplants.
    I'm a creature of habit (read OCD ;) ), so I almost always prep the garden the same way and plant on April 15th.
    My guess is that it might be something to do with the drought. Sure, I have a well and can water as I want ( my well is monitored every 3 months due to a stupid casino going in 2 miles away, and is still in good shape), but there has to be a long term impact of this drought! Maybe the good stuff gets sucked down into the water table? I don't know!
    We'll see how next year goes! We can only hope it'll be better! Nancy

  • pnbrown
    9 years ago

    I think you are correct to be skeptical that 'chemtrails' can affect one particular garden.

  • Chris
    9 years ago

    Chemtrail is the conspiracy theorist name for contrails, or condensation trails, which are water vapor streaks in the sky that result naturally from a jet engine's interaction with the air.

    The government does plenty of shady things, but they aren't spraying chemicals in the air to ruin your garden :)

    Here is a link that might be useful: Wikipedia Contrail article

  • daninthedirt (USDA 9a, HZ9, CentTX, Sunset z30, Cfa)
    9 years ago

    I have to say that, as gardening problems can be so upsetting, frustrating, and wholly nonsensical, it is not too surprising that conspiracy theories start getting hauled in to explain them!

    Why, when the Air Force has recurring problems with aircraft, they might well blame it on the steaming compost pits they're flying over, which are no doubt being maintained for sinister purposes. What are alleged to be clouds of water are no doubt something more destructive.

  • dwighthe
    9 years ago

    It seems to me that it could be something you have used in the entire garden. Such as contaminated compost or a contaminated bag of fertilizer. I've read of people contaminating their compost by inadvertently using grass clippings that had been fertilized with a weed and feed type product. Herbicide drift from a neighborhood yard could be a source of your problem.

  • nancyjane_gardener
    9 years ago

    LOL Dan! Nancy

  • pnbrown
    9 years ago

    Yes, I think Dan is on to something. I certainly hope that the air force does a careful investigation before unleashing the drone attacksâ¦

  • sunnibel7 Md 7
    9 years ago

    Geez, Dan, I live right on the flight path to Andrews AFB... I've been noticing those guys flying lower and lower. Now I'm worried about the safety of my compost pile! ;)

  • digdirt2
    9 years ago

    voxleo - all the chemtrail stuff aside, as Jean asked above, can you get back to us with answers to some of the questions posed? Nematodes, weather differences, soil test done, results, unusual pest patterns, symptoms of any diseases, soil amendments added, compost or mulch from a new source, etc?

    Dave

  • zeuspaul
    9 years ago

    Have you considered trying a new boyfriend?

  • garybeaumont_gw
    9 years ago

    When it gets hot and dry, watering will keep plants alive but they will not produce the way they would if it had rained. Tomatoes tend to stop setting once temperatures reach 95 degrees. Even bermuda grass does not grow well when temperatures get in high 90's. But once it starts raining the irrigated plants will start growing faster than the non-irrigated.

    By the way, I kind of agree with zeuspaul.

  • donnaz5
    9 years ago

    nancyjane_gardener....do you save seed? If so, it could just be due to fatigue from constant inbreeding of your seeds..
    If not...your soil could be depleted if you have grown veggies in the same spot for years...might be time to take a soil sample to have it tested..even one seemingly simple nutrient lacking in your soil can greatly hinder your outcomes..
    I would look at my soil first...it is the basis of everything living...not to the skies.

  • nancyjane_gardener
    9 years ago

    Donna, I save some seed, but not the ones I've had problems with. Since I only grow 6 tomato plants, I want a variety, so I usually go with organic plants from a couple different local sources. The seed I do use comes from a local seed bank where the seeds are all from plants grown organically in our county.
    I know I wasn't the only one with not the best garden this year. I'm thinking a truckload of organic compost mixed in this year plus my own will be helpful. We shall see!
    Nancy
    PS the problem with the soil test is that I grow in raised beds and they have been filled from several different sources! I have 8 different beds that would need testing!

  • donnaz5
    9 years ago

    If it were me...I'd start with at least one of your beds...just pick one and test! My theory is that you probably added compost to one, compost to all, nutrient to one, nutrient to all..they should be at least close, if money for the tests are an issue..but I would test at least one.
    Compost is good, but what if..for example...you are lacking magnesium, and the compost you add has everything BUT magnesium?
    I have things here that I know my soil lacks because of my location..I'm sure it's the same where you are. Adding compost from another nutrient deficient part of town/state, etc...won't help.
    You may have just reached that point in your garden where you have depleted something.
    What specific types of vegetables did you see lacking vigor? If they were in the bean/legume family, then you most likely would benefit from an innoculant...the drought you are having may very well have killed off your beneficial bacteria...
    There is an answer for you...we just have to find it...don't get frustrated...if your garden did well once, it can again!

    Here is a link that might be useful: soil test in California

  • daninthedirt (USDA 9a, HZ9, CentTX, Sunset z30, Cfa)
    9 years ago

    If you have 8 different beds with 8 different soils, it seems hard to believe that the chemistry of all of them has cratered at the same time, unless there is some unifying cause, like weather or pollution. You might ask your neighbors, and see if this is a more widespread problem. Are people near you having similar problems?

  • cindy-6b/7a VA
    9 years ago

    Does no one else think that this is a scam?

  • beesneeds
    9 years ago

    Chemtrails? Nope. There's a lot of CT about it, but nope.

    Other planes that are spraying other things? Possibly, if you are living in an agriculture area where crop dusting is common. But if this were the case, your neighbors would be getting dusted as well. And this would only be if you are living on the edge of fields that get dusted.
    You could be getting overspray from a neighbor using chemicals, and that would have nothing to do with planes at all. And depending on how big your yard is, it might or might not affect your whole yard.

  • terry_neoh
    9 years ago

    I notice one thing that seems to be a common thread among all your problems. Organic.

  • strobiculate
    9 years ago

    speaking of common thread...

    if you have been in CA lately...or for that matter, much of the American west...

    and someone posted a question re: poor performance of garden plants across the board...

    what's the first thing that comes to mind? I mean, after you have covered a colander in tin foil and adjusted it to wear as a hat.

    Does the word "parched" possibly come into play? or more extreme lack of water?

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