Thanks!

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/cornucop/msg0616073222150.html

ZachS thanks for the link- wow mine aren't nearly as spikey as those thank goodness! I love kale both raw and cooked. The curly & lucinato kale doesnt have the sharp hairs and tastes good in salads. Kale is also great sautéed with a little olive oil & garlic, or kale chips yum!

Ceth_k hmm it looks like kale but maybe is that solanum something it could have crossed with? I found a picture of a solanum on google image search similar looking but that plant had a hairy main stem and little white & yellow flowers and actual thorns on the top and bottom of the leaf whereas my plant has the same growth habit as my other kales as far as a stalk-like non-hairy main stem and such, and hairs on the top of the leaves only not thorns. Very interesting.

Shermthewerm yeah it looks the same as my friend's russian kale too but I don't remember hers having these sharp hairs. I might just be sensitive- zucchini leaves hurt me too if I remember correctly, and definitely cucumber & pupkin leaves/stems. I may try again with a slightly different variety or different seed supplier. I just really like the russian kale because it doesnt seem to get bitter & tough in the summer like other kale varieties tend to. Actually I planted several seeds from the same russian kale packet a few weeks ago and the new seedlings just started getting their first true leaves- I just checked them and noticed they all look like they also might have the same hairs on them too, they are actually fairly fuzzy at this young stage but the hairs are too fine to be sharp. Experiments in gardening!

Thanks all!

So, I just found some interesting information: red Russian and Siberian are completely different species of kale then their European cousins. the former are Brassica napus ssp. pabularis while the latter is Brassica oleracea. Interestingly, the Siberian or Russian kales are the same species as rutabagas and rape/canola. This might owe to the fact why your red Russian kale has spines while your other kales does not.

To answer your other question, Solanum (as I understand the term) is a genus in the order Solanales (family Solanaceae). On the other hand kale (as well as mustard, broccoli, cabbage etc.) is a Brassica, a genus in the order Brassicales (family Brassicaceae). I could continue into lesser clades but that's (nearly) enough taxonomy for one night. Solanum and kale does merge until the higher clade of plants known as eudicots which is little more then a description of three microscopic little lines on their pollen grains. Eudicot's include everything from tomatoes to witch hazel to possum wood.

So, after all the totally unnecessary (but maybe fascinating if your nerdy like me) jibber jabber, Solanum and Brassica are far too distant of relatives to mix.

I was doing some research the other day on some other biology stuff and I came across in one of my other books a much better description of a eudicot then the one I had before. It seems I have forgotten more things then I ever actually knew...

Eudicots (meaning "true dicots") does indeed refer to plants which have three openings on the pollen grains (monocots have only one) but there are several other traits that differentiate the two. The number of "seed leaves", or cotyledons, and their structure (the fact I didn't remember THAT when its in the darn name is really embarrassing), Eudicots have two cotyledons, monocots have only one sheath-like cleoptile from which the flag leaf emerges. The cleoptile also serves to protect the seedling as it pushes through the surface. In eudicots, this function is preformed by way of hypocotyl, gently pulling the seedling through the dirt. The root structure is also different as monocots generally lack the tap root of eudicots. Leaf structures and vascular tissues are also different.

So, not that any of that is important or really relates to the post, I just wanted to correct my previous mistake.