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| Hey there, My name is Alli. I found you on the garden web forum place. First off, your garden pics are amazing! I am a first time gardener with absolutely no experience. I pretty much know nothing about gardening and have no one to really teach me hands on. I was thinking about doing a couple raised beds this year for veggies and herbs and I had a few questions. I live in western Massachusetts, if that makes a difference? My lawn was built on top of a swamp so I'm told, so the dirt is a bit sandy. My questions are, what would I fill in my raised bed with? Topsoil or organic matter or fertilizer? I want to keep it organic. I'm sorry if you're busy or whatever I understand. If you cannot answer my questions for whatever reason that's completely fine! :-) However, if you have any tips or tricks for a beginner, I would very much appreciate it! Thanks so much for your time, Hi Alli, I will post your question and my responses to the forum (so others may glean from also) MY Opinion is raised beds are the best for home gardeners, most of us have no idea what transpired on our property before we owned it, plus the fact that loose deep soil is soooooo accommodating to most garden vegetables, if you give a plant the necessary components to thrive, it will do so, it is in it's nature. I planted this small raised bed (8" tall), and was producing like crazy, within a month... This is the lettuce that came off of that bed This is all from that one little bed, built and planted just a few weeks before, heading off to the Food Bank to provide some fresh Veggies to some neighbors in need. Now, that is what I used, if you don't have these available to you in bulk (from a landscape supply company), you will need to do whatever you can with whatever you can find, You really DO NOT want to be buying pre-bagged resources, it is just soooooo expensive, buying in bulk will save you a fortune, and if you can go pick it up yourself, you save trucking charges too ;-)
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- Posted by nancyjane_gardener USDA 8ish No CA (My Page) on Tue, Feb 5, 13 at 20:57
| Might I add that if you have gophers, be sure to line the bottom securely with hardware cloth (NOT chicken wire! Too flimsy!) I get my vegetable mix at our local dump. Ours is certified organic, but you'll want to check that out. I've also bought a nice garden mix (soil and compost mixed) at a landscape supply place, but it was 50% more than the dump. Don't expect Johnhughes' success, but follow his lead! You should have some good luck! Nancy |
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- Posted by jonhughes So.Oregon (jonehughes@hotmail.com) on Tue, Feb 5, 13 at 21:25
| Nancy is 100% right, If you have gophers, put down "rabbit cage wire", it comes in 4' widths and should be available at any large hardware store.. Check out my video link below to see what I mean. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Gopher protection (see all 9 short video's)
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| The small flowers bordering the beds is a really nice touch! Goodjob jon! |
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- Posted by jonhughes So.Oregon (jonehughes@hotmail.com) on Tue, Feb 5, 13 at 21:56
| Thanks so much for the response! Your garden is beautiful! When you said: 45% Clayish soil 25% Compost 10% Pumice 20% Decomposed Granite Is there an all in one thing that I can buy. And if not which brands do you recommend? Also, when you say 8" does that mean from the cardboard up? Which veggies would you recommend planting next to each other out of these? Spinach, lettuce, carrots, tomatoes, zucchini, summer squash, broccoli And herbs basil thyme sage rosemary. And corn asparagus and blueberries I read you've got to know what you're doing so I've counted those out, unless you could give me some advice on that? Thanks! 8" refers to what a Cinderblock Height is, they are 8" tall x 8 Deep x 16 Wide, When I am building a bed, I want it to be good , right out of the gate, so I don't scrimp, I have too many people counting upon my garden producing a large crop, so as you can see by my early pics, I pile it high and it shrinks as the food web devours the organic materials (compost and such), try to find a Landscape supply company to buy your product in bulk. The choices to start growing this month is whatever is being sold in your neighborhood nurseries, unless and until you buy a greenhouse your options are limited to whatever someone else has pre-started for you....or that you can direct seed, things that can not be direct seeded are Tomatoes, Peppers, both of them need to be planted as "Pre-started" |
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- Posted by jonhughes So.Oregon (jonehughes@hotmail.com) on Tue, Feb 5, 13 at 23:13
| Alysia wrote:I live in ma and currently, it's snowing. To plant the garlic, would I wait til fall? Also, the topsoil/compost/pumice/granite mix does that exist or do I need to buy topsoil with pumice and granite and buy compost separately? If not, which order do they go in when putting them onto the cardboard? For tomatoes, I can't just buy tomato seeds? I do not know when the frost is done but I feel like it wouldn't be until late April? Maybe even May. What should I be doing right now to help my garden along that I have yet to build? Where do you live? Is it kind of like the climate in New England? Do you have a model of your own garden that I could follow loosely? You can wait to plant Garlic in the Fall....if you want, or say like I do "it is always a good time to plant Garlic" |
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| Interestingly, Jon recommends also some ground rock (for mineralization) when starting a bed. Have you done any side-to-side comparison, Jon? One would guess that with all the compost (your beds are essentially compost) mineralization would be all right. |
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| Hi Jon It is great to see you back posting and showing your wonderful garden and harvest! Silvia |
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- Posted by jonhughes So.Oregon (jonehughes@hotmail.com) on Wed, Feb 6, 13 at 11:38
| Thank You Sylvia and Ceth... Glib, I have done Decomposed Granite from the outset, so I don't know any difference, I learned before I built my beds the possibility that it enhances Clayish soils while also contributing to the soil food web, this is my initial take on it and what motivated me to try it, so far ,it has worked splendidly ;-) Decomposed granite is a rock powder and is an excellent amendment for clay soils. All rock powders are great sources of minerals and micronutrients. All growing soils need them. As the microbes and macrobes like earthworms, digest the insoluble minerals, they break down into the various soluble micronutrients that all forms of plants need. For example, limestone rocks are rich in calcium. Granite rocks are rich in potassium, etc. Seaweeds of course are the king of micronutrient fertilizers and soil amendments. There can be up to 70+ trace elements in seaweed. In locations where seaweed is not readily available; rock powders is one answer to the problem. Research continues to reveal that insoluble tiny particles like rock powder minerals, can be easily digested or absorbed via microbial activity, over time, into the anatomy of growing plants, thriving in the presence of rich organic compost. One of the least understood aspects of gardening is that of capillary action of the garden soil. It is a proven fact that compressed earth has a better capillary action than undisturbed soil. That is why gardening books tell you never to walk between rows in a regular garden, as that encourages weed growth. And of course people are told never to step in a French Intensive bed and thus compress the soil. |
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- Posted by TNHomesteader 7 (My Page) on Wed, Feb 6, 13 at 18:07
| WOW! GORGEOUS garden and produce. I'm drooling on my keyboard!! I'm definitely going to have to read this entire thread. Looks like some valuable info here!! THANKS!! |
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| Phenomenal! John: do you grow organic? or do you use chemical fertilizers/pesticides? Either way, fantastic work! What zone are you in? |
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- Posted by yukkuri_kame 9 (My Page) on Thu, Feb 14, 13 at 3:44
| Here in los angeles our soil IS decomposed granite...but I wish it had a finer particle size. It's a bit silty, with lots of grain sized particles that are sharp and unpleasant to dig in with bare hands. I read one report that said the big thing with california soils is to just add organic matter and nitrogen, as the minerals are fairly abundant already. I have yet to do a formal soil test. |
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| Looks like you got all the information you need on the reaised bed. Love the pictures all and the info! @johnhughes - have you ever seen the www.roguevalleygardener.com site/ I saw So. OR in your name and I know that site is run by someone who lives in the area. Thought you might enjoy it. There's a good discussion on raised beds over there as well
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Here is a link that might be useful: Rogue Valley Gardener
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- Posted by jonhughes So.Oregon (jonehughes@hotmail.com) on Fri, Feb 15, 13 at 18:25
| Hi katydid85 , Yeah, Everything is as organic as I can make it, I don't use any fertilizers......yet......but everyone says I can grow more with them...maybe I will give it a shot this year ;-) |
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- Posted by nancyjane_gardener USDA 8ish No CA (My Page) on Sat, Feb 16, 13 at 20:48
| Yeah Jon...You need to grow more! LOL ;) |
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