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Planting multiple times per year in the same space/soil

Posted by Peaceful_Warrior 7B GA (My Page) on
Wed, Feb 1, 12 at 22:01

I'm thinking of planting 2 or 3 times in the same soil/space & I would like to hear from some others who do the same.

I have a very small planting area that cannot be expanded at the moment & I'd like to plant in spring, summer & fall, then let it rest in the winter. So my goal is 3 separate plantings.

I'm going to limit heavy feeders to 1 part of the space for 1 planting only & the rest will be legumes & light feeders.

Can anyone share their experience with such an approach?


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RE: Planting multiple times per year in the same space/soil

  • Posted by jolj 7b/8a-S.C.USA (My Page) on
    Wed, Feb 1, 12 at 22:35

I rotate crops, also interplant, successions & relays.
Any plant that takes 10 days to come up & will still be small in 20-30 days is a great plant to be over planted by radishes, which will be gone by the time their little space is needed.
Also the radishes will mark the other plant seeds until they come up.


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I do this - succession planting in raised beds. Most of my beds are occupied most of the year - Last year's tomato bed was taken down in November and I added some garden soil, compost and turned in the mulch that I'd used with the tomatoes. I then mixed, raked, and planted onions in December along with some fertilizer (haven't managed to go completely organic yet, but getting there...) When the onions come out, I'll spread compost in the bed again and likely plant winter squash come July...

I've done this for three years now and haven't seen any problems. I do rotate crops to help reduce the chance of disease. The best advice I ever heard was to feed your soil and it will feed you. Good luck!


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  • Posted by feijoas Temperate New Zealan (My Page) on
    Thu, Feb 2, 12 at 2:37

In my temperate climate, I'd be nuts not to have something in the ground all the time.
The most important thing is to keep up feeding the soil, all that cropping takes a lot out of it.
My rotations tend to be within small areas as I grow small amounts of stuff.
It's not so much about pests/diseases, since my garden's not large enough to make much difference, but trying to avoid growing plants that need lots of the same nutrients consecutively.
Carrots and broad beans enable my tomato and zucchini habit...


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Ditto to the above. There are several strategies that can be employed. Intercropping is one, where you have, for instance a leaf crop, a fruiting crop, and a root crop all growing together - for our purposes, lets say arugula, snap peas, and turnips for the early season. Of these, the arugula will be ready for harvest first, then the turnips, then the peas. You could time your planting so that everything is ready at the same time, making the entire bed ready for a new crop. Or, you could plant everything at the same time, meaning you would have a succession of harvests, perhaps overlapping slightly, of 3 different crops. Or, you could stagger your planting dates, so that you get a longer harvest, but less yield on a weekly basis. Each strategy has advantages, depending on your long term plans.

For me, staggered plantings of the arugula and turnips make sense, because i want to eat them in a few meals every week, but because the peas will provide a continuous harvest over a longer period - because we're harvesting the fruit, and not the whole plant - I would put in that row all at the same time, and in another bed put in a second row a few weeks later, or establish a succession by planting a variety with a different maturation period.

The arugula MAY provide multiple harvests, depending on your method, and will be available first. It is also least tolerant of heat, so will benefit from being shaded by the peas as the season progresses. Because it will see the most attention, I would plant it at the outside of my bed, where it is easiest to reach. The turnips, being root crops, will cause some disturbance when they are harvested, so I will make sure that they are not too closely spaced, to the other turnips, but also to the other crops in the bed. The peas will be comparatively tall when they are ready to harvest, so the shade that they produce will need to be accounted for in the layout of the bed - not only in terms of North-South-East-West, but if the row is in the middle, with other crops on either side, or on one edge, where the effect of shading is reduced.

Assuming 70 days for the peas to mature, and perhaps 2 weeks of harvest, it's possible that you could have the entire bed emptied and ready to plant on 3 months, but that would mean a significant amount of space was being underutilized where the arugula and turnips were removed. You could choose to reseed those areas with your second crop, but it would be more time-efficient to transplant. In the interest of rotation, and taking into account the season, you might put in cucumbers, to climb the trellis soon to be vacated by the peas, or eggplant, or squash. Broccoli would work, but it's a heavy feeder, and it's related to turnips, so less ideal. Greens could work, but you're getting into the warmest part of the season, so kale would be a better choice than spinach. And ideally you want whatever you plant to be ripe and ready in time to get a third crop into the ground - and ripe - before winter sets in, so maturity dates become even more important as you do your planning later in the season. Otherwise, you'll get to the end of the growing season, and unless you have some kind of season-extension tactics, the only thing able to grow to maturity in your garden will be 25-day radishes, and really, how many of those do you want to eat?

Another consideration is how you will deal with the harvest. If you are growing only to have fresh vegetables for the length of the growing season, successions are the way to go. But if you want to freeze pesto or can tomato sauce or make pickles, you want a large harvest all at once so that you can efficiently process your produce. Personally, I don't want to be stuck in a hot kitchen on August, so I schedule some of my plantings so that the canning can take place, as much as possible, in the cooler months, and the foods that can be enjoyed raw are coming ripe in summer. That means not only making choices about crops, but about varieties - slicing tomatoes to ripen early, but plum tomatoes in September, or Hakuri turnips to eat in summer, and purple-tops, which taste better cooked, for fall.

As you can see, the process of multiple cropping is wonderfully complex. This is just one example, with only a few crops, and doesn't fully incorporate the varying needs of water, nutrients, and sunlight that a detailed plan should include. Short maturity crops like radishes and salad greens can often simply be tucked in wherever space and time allow without much planning, and having seedlings always on hand to transplant will provide you with a denser harvest schedule, but a successful plan for multiple harvests is a multi-dimensional puzzle, involving space, time, species, cultural requirements, season, and use.

Personally, I enjoy the complexity, it's like a game of chess, or planning a perfect heist, but for some people it can seem daunting. It is probably best, in the beginning, to follow one simple rule - plant something every week, and when you harvest one crop, renew the soil (I add lots of compost, and nothing more) and plant again.

Lastly (for now), although you are growing in the same space, it is never the same soil. It is important to renew the soil regularly, to replace all of the nutrients that multiple cropping removes. Lots of compost, and fertilizer when needed, will go a long way towards providing a good succession.


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Thanks for the responses everyone.

So my biggest concern is the renewal of the soil to prevent disease/pests from happening. It looks like compost will be my best option, since I'm going all organic.

How much compost should I be adding? 1 inch, 2 inches?


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I do this and agree with the above comments. To be successful at continous cropping, it is very important to be continually tending to your soil. It's very helpful to have a soil test at least at the beginning so you have an idea of your soil's strengths and weaknesses. My soil is high in P and K, but very low in N. So, I always add blood meal to my soil before I put in a new planting (exception being legumes). Once you go through a season or two, you'll see what needs to be done because it is obvious. In each year's time my raised beds lose 4 to 6 inches of depth of soil, so late each winter I add that much compost and manure (and blood meal). Then I mulch over the top. After this has set two to four weeks the beds are in perfect condition for planting. (I tilled once in the beginning and never again.)
Crop rotation is your very best prevention of diseases and pests. Bill told you one way. I personally rotate by plant family, but the point is you need to not plant the same thing in the same spot two years in a row, preferably not more often than three or four years in a row. If you do develop soil disease or a serious insect problem don't put the diseased plants in your compost pile. Those I send to the garbage heap. Floating row covers are a very good preventative of insect problems, especially for crops that don't need pollination by insects. I grow all my winter crops under floating row covers. This prevent cabbage loopers, carrot fly, flea beatles, and more.


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I think small spaces can be really fun to "fill" with plantings. I've got one raised bed that never rests, and it does great. I do add as much compost and manure as I can get my hands on, and use fish emulsion and sometimes some organic fertilizer. Literally, every time something gets pulled out because it's finished, something else gets put in-- either seeds or a bedding plant, and this is year round and without any planning or forethought (just my style with this bed -- the rest of the garden gets lots of planning!) So it might go like this: January, there are carrots and parsnips underground, arugula and leeks, and tiny lettuce and claytonia seedlings self seeded from plants I let go to seed last fall. By early spring, the root crops have been dug, the arugula is tall and going to seed (which I let it do) and the bed is a mass of tender lettuce and claytonia, and we're eating salads galore. Where I dug out the root crops, I plant potatoes and cabbage seedlings, then a row of turnips, a row of peas at the back. By late May, the lettuce is bolting. I cut all except a few plants, which I let go to seed. I plant tomatoes where ever I can find a couple inches of space, I've dug all the parsnips except one, and it is growing tall -- it will shade the next crop of lettuce from summer heat (I'll let the parsnip go to seed and self plant.) I'll stick one zucchini plant in the corner so the leaves will hang over the edges, and maybe some winter squash that will run out into the yard and not take up much space in the bed at all. I stick basil seedlings in anywhere there is two square inches. In the fall before frost I'll clip all the basil, harvest the last of the tomatoes and squash, and plant spinach, lettuce, mizuna and arugula (which adds to the self seeded stuff.) I cover the whole thing with agricultural fleece and harvest greens and salad mix all winter. Oh, and sometime during the summer I planted carrots again, so these are under ground for winter eating too.

In my big garden, which also has some beds that are in use year round, I carefully rotate crops. But in this small space I just try to remember a bit where things were, and adjust accordingly. It's like a smorgasborg (sp?) all the time, and very pretty. It also gets a lot more renewal with compost than the rest of the garden (It's in the front yard, so I want it to look decorative -- hence the different treatment.)

If you can get 2 inches of compost, great. I figure soil in nature doesn't rest. I always think of the quote "Nature abhors bare ground" It will grow weeds if we try to let it rest without mulch! So if you continually renew it, I see no reason why you can't continually use it, especially in zone 7b.


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Elise, thank you for an eloquent and precise reply. It is clear that your garden is a combination of art and science, practicality and practice, efficiency and effect, and you write in a manner that is a pleasure to read. What I appreciate most, and what you bring to this discussion, is not that you describe not only what you do, but how and why. That should be the ideal to which all responses should aspire. Well done. I make a silent reverent bow in your direction (southwest... I'm in Maine).


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  • Posted by jolj 7b/8a-S.C.USA (My Page) on
    Sat, Feb 4, 12 at 0:41

I use up to 4 inches of compost every time I replant a bed.
I too grow year around in at least half the garden.
You can grow a lot of greens,cabbage,onions,garlic in 640 square feet of a winter garden.
I mulch the plants in hot weather to save on watering & in the winter to protect the roots from freezing.
So I turn under the mulch every time I replant.


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bil lme -- wow, thank you for your post. I'd just been feeling like maybe I crashed in here with too much enthusiasm and too many words, to a forum with folks who all knew each other. I'm not new to gardening -- I JUST GOT the Internet!! So I've got a lot of pent up garden discussion energy :)


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  • Posted by natal Louisiana 8b (My Page) on
    Sat, Feb 4, 12 at 15:07

My garden isn't huge and I have to grow tomatoes in the same beds every year. In 25 years of gardening that's never presented a problem. I do add compost spring and fall to each bed. The beds are approximately 3' x 10' and each gets a couple wheelbarrows full of compost. The exception are the two herb/perennial flower beds that flank the arbor. They get compost on an as-needed basis.

After pulling the tomatoes in July I let the beds sit until September when I plant a crop of bush beans and start planting lettuce, arugula, and Swiss chard for a fall/winter crop. I plant English peas in December for an early spring crop. By mid March I'll start transplanting tomatoes and peppers. Most of the lettuce/arugula will have started to go to seed by then. With this warm winter we're having I'm surprised they haven't already.


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I'm fairly new here too. All are welcome as far as I can tell. You need to rotate your crops by the families to avoid problems.


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There have been some participants here who found themselves unwelcome, but mainly because they made their presence unpleasant in some way. There are also some obvious and sometimes heated disagreements, and the occasional insensitive reply, but for the most part newcomers find the community here welcoming and encouraging. As for the length of posts, I may be one of the most serious violators, but it is very rarely that I am called to task for it. There are certainly times when a concise reply is all that is needed, but I would argue that a lot of us are here for information and entertainment, and an occasional long anecdote or explanation is often welcome. Say what you need to say, and try to be considerate, but don't feel you need to censor yourself or edit merely for the sake of brevity. We're here for the conversation.


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