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Growing big onions?

Posted by joel_bc z6 BC (My Page) on
Mon, Apr 21, 14 at 11:07

This year one of my goals is to get the garlic and onions (drying varieties, not greens) to grow larger. I'm planting them in a sandy-loam soil with a lot of organic matter and a nutrient content that is testing well. My question is about irrigation.

Some advice is to water amply in spring and then sparingly in summer - to avoid fungal problems that can occur with alliums. In the past we've had the occasional year where fungus has ruined most of the garlic, but never had this sort of issue with onions.

By the way, onions are Copra and Walla-Walla (former as a keeper, latter as a summer globe onion), and Redwing as a decent keeper red. All are planted in slightly raised beds, with Walla Walla seedlings 5" apart in rows 5" apart, the other varieties are 4" apart in rows 4" apart.

I notice that "industrial" onion fields - conventional chemical farms - often seem to be irrigated fairly heavily. The advice to water sparingly seems, perhaps, more often to be found on internet sites aimed at home gardeners. I'm not sure when/if the conventional farmers may cut back on irrigation.


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RE: Growing big onions?

I'm not sure what your question is, is it how to grow bigger onions or when to decrease the watering? Bigger onions come from choosing types that are genetically prone to getting larger (I think Copra tend to be more medium sized?) and then feeding them a hearty dose of N a couple of times in the growing season. It's true that you want to keep them watered enough so they don't struggle, but there's no benefit to keeping them overly wet, either. As for stopping watering, I think the general rule is to decrease water at the time of bulbing so that the stems dry without getting wetted repeatedly because the dying tissue is more prone to infection. I think that is general advice for all growers, regardless of area or scale, or that's my impression anyway.


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Well, maybe I should have constructed my post a bit better - but in my opinion you did answer my question very well, sunibel7. Yes, I did want to know tips for getting my onions to grow larger (within the possibilities offered by the specific variety), and I wanted to get opinions about irrigation. So thank you.

Other people's comments and advice are also welcome.


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  • Posted by digdirt 6b-7a North AR (My Page) on
    Mon, Apr 21, 14 at 12:53

Agree. First pick the proper day-length varieties for your location, then of those the larger bulb onions, feed them well several times during the season, and water them normally. That means somewhat more heavily in the spring until well established as with any other crop, then only as needed.

Same for feeding. A one time when planting isn't sufficient and neither is only compost as a source of nutrients. Nutrients are used up through the season, N vaporizes, the soil food web that makes compost effective ages and dies without regular refreshing and supplements, etc. And there are numerous nitrogen organic supplements available to use throughout the season.

I notice that "industrial" onion fields - conventional chemical farms - often seem to be irrigated fairly heavily. The advice to water sparingly seems, perhaps, more often to be found on internet sites aimed at home gardeners. I'm not sure when/if the conventional farmers may cut back on irrigation.

Personally I have never heard or read that growing in a home garden is any different than growing them commercially. Nor does "industrial" onion fields (meaning commercial growers) equate to "conventional chemical farms". There are many OMRI Certified commercial onion growers.

Dave


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Hi, Dave. Thanks for the input.

A side not on your side note: Apologies that the details of what I wrote seemed inaccurate to you. Of course, not all "commercial farms" are run by "industrial farmers" - and not all commercial onion growers are "chemical" (rather than "organic"). In the region where I live, most organic commercial operations are largish garden or fairly small field croppers. But my reference simply meant that really large onion fields, in my general region, are generally non-organic. Further, that these operations (from what I've been able to learn) tend to gather their cultivation info from sources different from those drawn on by organic homesteader/gardeners, such as myself.


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Hi Joel
You may want to visit Dixondalefarms.com - it is great website of info and a great source for onion transplants although there are others. I couldn't grow a decent onion before growing transplants - even in Wyoming we can now grow a decent sized onion in our short growing season. We don't claim to be experts - all we do is try to follow the recommendations we read from Dixondale and others - including this website.

Here are a few pics of our onions - they aren't what you would call huge onions - but I like to let the onions speak for themselves. We have to pull the onions from our garden before freezing temps destroy them in the fall in our zone - even before the are ready to be pulled - then cure them in the GH for storage. We are still eating onions that were cured last fall - they have stored very well!

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This post was edited by Hudson...WY on Wed, Apr 23, 14 at 9:00


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just finished cleaning a few green ones(scallions) to take to my parents. Planted more along side kohlrabi yesterday. Seeded choc cherry tomatoes this morning for the second time as they were my only failure out of ten varieties. Sorry about the thread jumping but couldn't resist it.


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My onions last year were huge. They were Candy and kept well for that variety. I fertilized once...with an organic type that would be slow release and a faster release type. I watered while bulbing. Yes, it is good to let it get dryer at the very end and to properly dry them.


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Don't crowd them. The people who grow for max size - the show crowd - leave at least a foot between onions, and support the green tops with small cages. I'd trust their judgement - they squeeze every ounce of size out of their plants.


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I'll second visiting the Dixondale site. visit it, they have growing instructions.


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your planting distance is too close for large onions. I go 6" on copras and 7" for walla wallas.
The most important things are to NEVER let them dry out throughout the entire growing season, and keep them fertilized. I fertilized each 2-3 weeks througout the growing season, Pull every weed as soon as it emerges. Mulching helps a lot, Check on them daily. I fertilize every 2 weeks. The minute they go dry, they will stop growth and lose vigor that will never be regained. Stop watering after they mature when the first tops start falling over.


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Keep outer skins dried, and mulch and dirt pulled back from the top half of the bulb as it progresses. This is some extra work that the commercial growers probably do not do.

The drying skins at the top can accumulate rain, whick, if not quickly dried, can start to rot. This can not only ruin that cover layer to the onion but can tranfer some of the fungus to healthy, growing leaves.
-Terry


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I don't understand the keeping dirt off the upper bulb. I like to see a bit added to keep them from greening ....got along good my way.


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