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Post-Emergence Weed Control in Sweet Corn

renderblade
16 years ago

Long time reader..first time poster.

To begin, I tilled my garden area this spring to remove the sod and then I pushed off the tilled topsoil to the side with a snow blade on my tractor and then re-tilled prior to planting.

I've started the year off really sad, my first plantings of 700 seeds of corn got dug up in a conical shaped hole by something and were eaten mostly by ants. The second planting of 500 seeds was 40% successful however my question is how do you control grass's and weeds in an existing corn plot? Now this is not some small 5'x5' area nor is it larger than an acre, more or less a 30'x100' plot. I've contacted my local co-op about herbicides but it was stated that had to be "licensed" to purchase so that option is nill. Another factor to using these chemicals is that I have melons and tomatoes planted within about 20 feet or so.

The process that I'm going through is actually taking a weed eater and clearing the weeds out where I can (you ever seen someone weed eating corn rows...funny sight lol). I've considered the whole newspaper idea, but realized I'd have to run around the neighborhood for a couple months to gather enough sheets. I may attempt to weed eat again and then hit the areas with my tiller and "mini-tiller" after the soil dries out.

I'm getting ready to pick-up one of those Earthway Seeders and "add" some late crop hybrid sweet corn this coming week in the areas that got eaten, so any input is greatly appreciated.

Just hoping someone has experience with dealing with a weed control in a garden that is generally mostly corn than anything else. I would post a image of the way it looks for reference but haven't taken one yet, just imagine your front yard with corn stalks about 36" tall here and there.

Comments (9)

  • renderblade
    Original Author
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Got the photos.

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  • Karen Pease
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    What sort of weeds are you looking at? Weeds aren't usually too big of a deal when dealing with corn because it grows so big, so quickly. It can shade out most weeds. Of course, if your plants are too sparse, you won't get much shade.

  • farmerdilla
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I still do it basicly the same way we did when I was a kid (before herbicides) I use a rototiller on large plots, I only plant about three lbs of corn now, instead of the mule and three footed plow, but the idea is the same. Cultivar as soon as the corn emerges, Cultivate again when it is about a foot high, cultivate again just before the tassels appear. It can pretty well take care of itself from that point on. If grasses overtake corn, you may as well plow it down and start over. Broadleaf weeds you can pull or hoe and corn will usually recover to some extent.

  • renderblade
    Original Author
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    It's mostly just the overwhelming amount of "grass" I would guess. I'm no weed or grass expert so I can only describe them the best I can with the photos below. But like I stated before, I tilled down about 4" and completely removed all the sod prior to planting, but as the days progressed more and more grass kept coming.

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    Multiple "Grass's/Weeds" I want gone

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    Spider Branching Type

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    Taller Spider Branching Type

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    Another Shot of the grassy areas
    The 3 larger plants are easily pulled up.

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    Deep Rooted Plant in center

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    Vining Type

    I really would just like to eliminate all of them including the grass, but is it possibly too late in the season and better off waiting until next year and Roundup the entire planting area in April?

  • Violet_Z6
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    renderblade,

    The key to getting rid of weeds and keeping an area weed free is planning far enough ahead and constant maintenance. I don't recommend Roundup, you don't need it.

    Weed eating is a futile effort unless your taking out the roots as well. So long as the roots are still in the ground, most of your weeds will continue to come back. You need to completely eliminate the entire plant: top and bottom.

    Depending on what "weeds" were in your soil that you tilled, you most likely brought up dormant weed seeds that were too deep to sprout and broke up stems (crab grass for instance) into smaller pieces where the nodes still sprouted.

    Here is my suggestion to you due to the size of your area:
    If tilling is the chosen method, then do so at least six weeks in advance, and preferably months in advance in order for the soil tilth to build back again as well as for dormant seeds to sprout so you can skim them to kill them as they come up. Do this a few times for a couple of weeks until they've subsided, then you're ready to plant.

    Next you need to mulch and mulch well (2-3 inches). This will prevent further sprouting of weeds and prevent migrating wind born seeds from taking root in your soil. If you plant vegetable seeds, you can mulch with a thin layer of shredded leaves or grass clippings or compost or straw, etc. When the seedlings get 3-4 inches tall you can mulch at a greater thickness and more as they get larger.

    If you had that many ants, your soil must have been too dry. Mulch will help keep your soil moist and the soil temperature stable.

    If you want to go the newspaper route, try Freecycle.org and ask for newspaper. You might be pleasantly surprised. There's probably someone out there (like me) with plenty of newspaper to share, especially if it's going to good use and getting recycled. You can also call your local newspaper, tell them what you need it for and ask if they have any discards.

    You need to do layers of 8-12 damp (soak them in a bucket of water first) sheet, then cover with soil. If you don't it will dry and fly away. But if you can cover with soil, or mulch, it would work. You can also try cardboard. Call local businesses for both. You can also try black plastic mulch, but it won't add organic matter to your soil.

    The issue with straw are seeds which might sprout and cause problems. It works great, just make sure you know what you're getting:

    When using hay or straw, you need to know your source and exactly what is in the bales.

    Hay and Straw Glossary
    A popular organic mulch, hay is commonly used to protect soil and plants from the elements, to line pathways, and to address various needs in the garden. What many people don't realize, however, is that various products are often labeled as "hay" at garden centers, but there are many different types of hay and straw that are commonly sold in bales. While they are easily confused, it's important for gardeners to become familiar with the differences.

    Salt hay
    Salt hay, or Spartina patens, is a grassy plant that grows in salt marshes and wetlands. Martha has long used salt hay in her gardens. It is useful for keeping weeds from growing in paths, preventing runoff, and keeping soil from turning into mud whenever it rains or the garden is watered. A layer of salt hay will keep soil moist and encourage worms to come to the surface, which will help to aerate the soil. It also makes an attractive path to walk on between garden rows. Salt hay is an ideal all-purpose mulch because its seeds won't grow away from salt water'so it won't germinate in your garden.

    Golden straw
    What is commonly termed "Golden straw" is either oat straw, Avena, or wheat straw, Triticum. This straw is a by-product of the process of separating oat or wheat seeds from their stalks. Golden straw is often used as bedding in horse stalls; because there are no seeds, the horses won't eat it. This straw spreads nicely, and the lack of seeds means there is no risk of it germinating in your garden. It can be used in the same way as salt hay.

    Wheat straw
    An excellent choice for straw for use in the vegetable garden. Lay down six inches in height in the fall then direct sow seeds in the spring. No need to dig. There will be a handful of weak sprouts from seeds, just pull them out.

    Feed hay
    Just as its name implies, feed hay is used to feed livestock. Though inexpensive and plentiful, it is not a good choice for use in gardens because it is full of seeds. The main ingredient of feed hay is alfalfa, Medicago sativa. It also frequently contains flowers and seeds from many other plants and weeds such as clover and golden rod. These seeds are likely to germinate, resulting in a garden full of weeds rather than flowers and vegetables.

    Soil Solarization is another technique you can use, using clear 6 mil plastic. It has been around for a long time. It's effective for those who have patience and can plan ahead. A drawback is that it kills beneficial organisms and bacteria in the soil.

    What I do is lay roof shingles over any area where I want to create a bed. Within two weeks vegetation underneath is weak and pretty close to dead. I wait until the soil is crumbly underneath, sink my spade in and start hand sifting and pulling out everything then I crumble it back in the spot along with compost so it's light and airy and never walk on it again. Then I'll mulch with leaves and/or grass clippings. Usually the latter.

    I don't do huge areas of space at a time. Literally just lay them on top of the grass and overlap them a bit so light doesn't get thru. After a couple of weeks and after a rain check to see if the soil is "friable" (soil crumbles in your hands). Length of time after a rain will depend on whether your soil is sandy, clay, etc. For me it can be 2-3 days in certain parts of the yard, 1 day in another area of the yard. When you lift the shingles, you'll see there is little to no grass and what you can see is yellow or white. Sink a spade in and lift up, then just get in there with your hands and fingers and take a chunk and pull out the roots. This works fabulously with bermuda grass because the main runner stem is in tact but the roots have died off so all you have to do is follow the runners. Sometimes they're 4 feet long. But they're soooo much easier to get out! Much less work than tilling and sifting.

    Then crumble the soil lightly back into the spot with your fingers. As you crumble take out out any weed matter and into the compost pile they go. This is the best time to incorporate compost or any other soil amendments. Now don't walk on the area or you'll compact the soil.

    I'll take out large rocks as well since we grow rocks around here. I've responded to "Wanted: Rocks" on freecycle.org a couple of times so now they're gone and have found use to fill holes under fences so dogs don't escape.

    The problem with tilling bermuda grass is that when you do that, you create a lot of little pieces that are not easy to find and get out without a sifter. If one tiny piece with a node get's left behind, it'll take root and take off and you have the same problem all over again.

  • ccromwell78
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Hate to tell you this but the quicker you can get to the weeds the easier they are to control. You could go out there and do alot of pulling and hoeing and be able to get it under control. You could have also asked the co-op to spray it for you. You will have some kind of a crop I would say. I hope the planter will help you with spacing and buy some good seed that has a high germination rate. Spacing and Germination to me will help with the weeds the most.

  • wayne_5 zone 6a Central Indiana
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The key is like violet said, "Plan ahead and skim the weeds off when they are tiny." Good grief, You've missed the boat.
    I love weeding...perhaps because I have so few of them from diligence of many years!

    I am not so sure if heavy mulching is good early in the season in Indiana in the spring. This year would have worked do to less rainfall to date.

  • renderblade
    Original Author
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Well, I went out this evening and nailed it with the weedeater, got most of the vegetation but there are still alot of roots left. When you have more dirt all over you than it seems on the ground...should be good enough I'd think. It's really difficult to get at the roots as the general part of it is nothing but your typical field grass and has a tight mass and decent sized root system. It's suppose to get up in the mid 90's this week so I plan on hitting the remaining vegetation (roots) with a cultivator and tossing them to the side once they start dying.

    The nice thing I've learned over the years with corn & weeds/grass is that once the corn get over 36" it's fine for the rest of the season. Now the time prior to that where the ground has almost constant sun, that's terrible. So I may have to try the shingle/newspaper/straw route next year, I accidentally left a bag of mulch in the middle of my yard one year for a couple weeks and it never has looked the same since. So I understand the principal first hand haha. I was just hoping there was some sort of chemical/herbicide that was easily available.

  • gumby_ct
    16 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Corn Gluten Meal (CGM) may be an option for you, since the corn has already germinated. Do some searching and reading.

    You may want to talk to farmers in your area to see what they do!

    Is there an appliance or other store nearby where you can get some large cardboard boxes? Maybe focus on one area to salvage what you can? Cardboard, hay, & CGM? But I think you would have to get the weeds back in check not matter what you do.

    Or just chalk this year up for experience and focus on next year? Not sure just how much you want to spend given the price of corn.

    I think the first year is the toughest with weeds. As already mentioned tilling brings many of the seeds to the surface. From what I understand, weed seeds can lay dormant for up forty years. When they see a flash of light, they know they are close enuff to the surface to germinate. Some water and BINGO.

    I don't seem to have quite as many weeds since I stopped tilling. But that may not be an option for you.

    I'm guessing you were overhead watering or had some good rainstorms to help you along.

    Good Luck,
    Gumby_CT
    ps. the pics really helped to understand your dilema.