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| My peppers arent really producing. I have been alternating fertilizer between alfalfa tea and blood meal. Additionally adding epsom salts when I see some yellowing. They are in a raised bed with compost. Should I use something else? |
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- Posted by wordwiz (wordwiz@fuse.net) on Fri, Jul 9, 10 at 22:10
| Yeah, discretion. Let them alone. I cannot, for the life of me, comprehend why growers think they need to keep fertilizing plants. YMMV, Mike |
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| Because that's what the fertilizer ads say. |
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| thanks I will let them be. I got some info on container gardening that since they are raised beds, the nutrients leak out pretty quickly and to fertilize weekly. I'll try the nothing approach for a bit. Thanks. All my other plants are doing great and really producing. I just have problems with peppers and swear every year I wont plant again. Problem is hubby bought the plants---ahh. |
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| Well, there are probably opposing opinions on all traditional advice, but since it was posted, I've followed the information in this fertilizer experiment on bell peppers. My bell peppers are now extremely productive and lush and have laughed at pests. Last year, the first year I added more fertilizer than I ever had before to my container-grown plants, I was astonished at how many fruits developed, as well as their size. I'd planted Jupiters, an open-pollinated variety received in a seed-trade, and could not have been happier. I did use Dynamite, a 9-month continuous-release fertilizer with micronutrients. Maybe the micronutrients had something to do with their productivity since that's what I used this year when I set them out in garden soil instead of containers. But they're growing like weeds! I was honestly ready to give up trying to grow bells -- in the past I didn't fertilize them at all, believing the traditional advice that nitrogen fertilizer makes the plants and leaves grow inordinately lushly and will prevent fruit from forming. That was absolutely not true with the Jupiters I heavily fertilized. Anyway, I'd experiment with the fertilizing of pepper plants grown in containers, none, some, a lot, and see what works for you. |
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| marlak My containers were self-watering containers, not containers where the water runs out of the drainage holes taking all the soil nutrients with it. The advice you read was correct -- you'll quickly lose any fertilizer you've added if you don't replenish it on a regular basis. |
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- Posted by wordwiz (wordwiz@fuse.net) on Sat, Jul 10, 10 at 11:27
| I have a raised bed for the first time. I added zero fertilizer before planting (it is filled with a mixture of creek bottom dirt, compost and aged horse manure) and since then part of the bed was fertilized once with a cup of compost tea per plant. You can see it here. The images were taken 10 days ago and the plants have grown quite a bit since then, thanks to hot weather and a nice rain. Mike |
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| marlak Apologies, I misremembered what I read -- you are growing your peppers in a raised bed, not a container. You won't need to add fertilizer as you would to a container where the water runs out and takes the nutrients away from accessibility by the plant roots. Whether you need to add fertilizer to ground-planted vegetables as time goes on depends entirely on how rich in nutrients your organic matter is and the plants' needs. |
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- Posted by drhorticulture_ Z3 (My Page) on Sat, Jul 10, 10 at 12:53
| anney, I've never had that experience either (too much foliage, not enough fruit). I think that advice came about as a reaction to gardeners who use really, really excessive amounts of nitrogen fertilizer. Otherwise, N is the nutrient used by all plants in the largest amount (after CHO) and any plant deprived of it will not fruit properly. Earlier, though, due to stress. |
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- Posted by wordwiz (wordwiz@fuse.net) on Sat, Jul 10, 10 at 15:13
| drhorticulture, Strange that most companies don't feel that way. Here are the NPK ratios of several hydroponic ferts: Ecogrow (4-2-4) FloraGrow (2-1-6) Greenleaves Grow Juice (2-1-3) Grow Big (3-2-6) Sensi Grow (1-2-6) Tomato-tone is a highly regarded dry fert for tomatoes, eggplants, peppers, etc. Tomato-Tone (3-4-6) These companies apparently feel Nitrogen is not as vital as phosphorus and potash, especially when it comes to blooming and fruiting. Mike |
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- Posted by drhorticulture_ Z3 (My Page) on Sat, Jul 10, 10 at 15:51
| Yes, it's too bad that these companies don't realize that whatever the plant is doing (flowering or not), N is the nutrient required in the largest quantities. Perhaps K in some cases, but certainly not P. Part of the reason for those high P formulations is to compensate for P's poor mobility and tendency to be locked up in the soil, but that sure doesn't make sense for hydroponics. |
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- Posted by sandhill_farms 10 NV (My Page) on Sat, Jul 10, 10 at 16:03
| The fertilizer I primarily use is: 11-52-0 Greg |
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| Like many of you have said, most plants need Nitrogen after a while because it consumes so much of it to grow vegetation. While there are better fertilizers out there, you need to add, at minimum, Nitrogren (20-0-0 ammonium sulfate) to your peppers 4 weeks after transplant and again at 8 weeks after transplant. You will want to only put about 1/2 tablespoon per plant. After the second feeding dont do anymore. I get great peppers every year doing this. For more planting guide information on peppers check out vegenag.com |
Here is a link that might be useful: VegeNag
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- Posted by wordwiz (wordwiz@fuse.net) on Sat, Jul 10, 10 at 17:53
| amlinde, We did it somewhat similar but still a little differently. Used 33-0-0 as a supplement to 15-15-15 in early May, planted the end of May, then side-dressed with 33-0-0 after 2-4 weeks after transplanting. I don't recall the exact amount we side-dressed with but it was in the neighborhood of 200 pounds per acre. I did this for tobacco, tomatoes, potatoes, corn and green beans. They always turned out great - well, except in the couple of years we had a drought! Mike |
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- Posted by farmingvillefarmer East Coast zone 7 (ilyindyl@yahoo.com) on Sat, Jul 10, 10 at 20:47
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| farmingvillefarmer, The first thing that strikes me is your pots look awfully small for the plants in them. Growing veg in too-small pots is setting yourself up for lower yield and extra work just to get much of anything off them. I've used pots around 30L (8 US gallons) with good success for peppers and chilis, I would not want to go much smaller than that. In a too-small pot root space is limited and it becomes difficult to get the watering and fertiliser right. Also yours look like a strong wind would tip them over. Yellowing, drooping leaves suggests a watering issue, over or under. IME peppers like to dry out a bit between waterings. This can be tricky in a pot, though, because most potting mixes become hydrophobic if they get too dry. Fertilising is also something to watch in potted veg. The slow-release fertiliser included in potting mix is of variable quality. I don't know about Miracle Grow, only that lately there have been posts from people using it who have been having issues and comments that people don't like it. The thing to watch with potted vegetables is leaching. Every time you water, if water runs out the drainage holes, soluble nutrients are being washed out of the potting mix. That includes nutrients from the slow-release granules that are part of the mix. Temperature is also a factor - in hot conditions you might have to add fertiliser sooner. Also, in a tiny pot the plant has a smaller volume of potting mix from which to obtain its nutrients - the nutrients in that pot are therefore likely to be exhausted sooner. If the plant is growing vigorously and the leaves are a good deep green, then its getting most of what it needs. Pale green or yellowing leaves suggests they need a feed, but yellowing may also be a result of overwatering. If it was me, I'd be tempted to carefully pot-up the ones that aren't looking too good to a larger pot and see how you go. Blossom drop can be caused by many factors not necessarily related to fertilization - temps too high, temps too low, stress caused by inappropriate soil/water conditions etc etc. Plus plants often drop blossoms earlier in the season. If the plants are healthy and the environmental conditions are OK they will set fruit. If you worry that every flower didn't become a pepper you'll get an ulcer. Good luck! |
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- Posted by farmingvillefarmer East Coast zone 7 (ilyindyl@yahoo.com) on Mon, Jul 12, 10 at 10:06
| Thank you very much for the info ausbirch ill try what you said today |
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