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| Just off the cuff, I would suggest larger shrubbery or understory trees. The ones you have now, I'm sure are addding shade and are helpful with utilites, but are not really doing much for the views presented here. |
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| alabamanicole said: :.. relieve some pain points when mowing -- there are a "I am thinking of long shallow "steps" made with landscaping timbers" These issues of grade modification should be worked out It is the transition of the modified areas to the drive and Another consideration of cost is to balance the amount of Below is one of perhaps many plans that might satisfy your |
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- Posted by alabamanicole 7 (My Page) on Mon, May 3, 10 at 13:45
| rhodium - Thank you for the feedback. Unfortunately, planting under those trees would likely be a painful mistake. One tree sits right on top of the natural gas line and the other is very close to the water line. It's a problem waiting to happen, and I don't want to add to it. Also, those trees are probably 50 years old and nearing the end of their lives. The removal, when it comes, would probably squash the new plantings. There are, however, a large clump of daylilies under one tree that need to be dug up and divided. I may ring the other tree with them as well, if they manage to bloom at that site this spring. pls8xx -- Yes, I agree that the slope needs to come first. I had tinkered with terracing ideas, but I couldn't come up with anything I liked. I think you came up with a great idea on the first try. I do need to keep the access door under the porch free, but that's just a matter of placing the back wall. Too bad there's absolutely no way to get matching brick - it would like nice if it matched. The downside is that retaining wall and brick materials are atrociously expensive -- I'd say a minimum of $2k in stone alone for that project, which is just beyond my budget for now. I am unlikely to have much if any extra soil from the back, but topsoil, at least, is cheap here. |
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| alabamanicole said: "The downside is that retaining wall and brick materials are Yep, if you call the concrete fellows, get a tight grip on your But as a DIY project, you do have a couple of advantages; a If it were me, I would want to do about 50 ft of wall in back Maybe wait to do the stone veneer later. Looks like a thin |
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- Posted by alabamanicole 7 (My Page) on Mon, May 3, 10 at 19:20
| I hadn't thought of concrete; I was thinking stone + mortar. Concrete would probably be about the same price DIY but stronger. I went out and eyeballed it and I think 2 3' walls would be enough in front. Forms and stain might be cheaper than stone veneer. Of course, being in experienced in concrete and stone work, either one might look awful when I'm done! In back, though, 3' wouldn't work. The retaining wall around the back door itself is over 3'. I wonder if it would be safe to have a 3' wall "floating" on the slope, and then a second wall down below, with a planter in between? Like so: I like your idea, though -- I have no need for a patio out the basement door, but it can't hurt and the square is simple but functional. Most importantly, it doesn't cut too close to the septic system. You are correct -- we really have no frost line at all to worry about. But Oneonta is a bit far. I do have a Mom & Pop place up the street that mostly does pavers and retaining wall blocks, but they seem like they'd be happy to order whatever I want. They have good prices, too. A concrete truck out back might be problematic. I'd probably need a pump truck, too. |
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| Should you decide to do the poured concrete, the two most often disasters experienced by homeowners are one, underestimating the force of wet concrete on forms resulting in a blow-out, and two, underestimating the force of retained soil on the wall resulting in wall failure. Concrete walls don’t require a lot of skill, it ain’t rocket science. But you do need to know what you are doing. As a general rule, stepped walls (one above the other) should be separated by a distance equal to the total height of both walls. Even then consideration should be made to beef up the lower wall footing and wall reinforcement. Homeowners should avoid placing the upper wall, or any wall for that matter, on fill material. The footer should rest on undisturbed subsoil. I find it strange that your house does not have a first floor door to the back yard. If a flat area by the lower door is not of benefit and your only goal for the backyard is to moderate the steep slope, then you might consider a wall arrangement as shown below. A 2ft wall at the end of the brick wall coupled with a 3ft wall at position 1,2 or 3 appears to give a manageable slope. Note that changing the location of the 3ft wall produces less or more excess soil for use in the front yard project. I think you will find it valuable to the design of any wall system if you gather vertical data and place accurate ground elevations on your base map. |
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- Posted by alabamanicole 7 (My Page) on Tue, May 4, 10 at 12:10
| The house does have a door form the main level to the back yard. It's upslope at the other back corner of the house. The back yard slope is definitely the more difficult and problematic of the two. It might be wise for me to postpone that project until I get a bit more experience in the front yard. Thanks for your input. Since my ancient AC died yesterday -- which is what I get for mentioning that it would -- I will be tackling that project first of all, including a new concrete pad for it to sit on. |
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