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Frustrated!!!!

Posted by heirloomer08 4 IA (My Page) on
Thu, Mar 5, 09 at 9:03

I have done some free offers for newbies and I have to say I getting a little frustrated. First off, 99% of the newbies that respond to my offers are great but that 1% gets me frustrated. I explain right off that they have to post there AND send an email. I have one going right now that only posted and didn't send the email and I tried to contact them and guess what. No email on the member page. If I have extra seed I enjoy helping out some newbies. I mean after all, how do you think I received some of the seed I now grow.
If anybody has any ideas on how to get them to FOLLOW the instructions given for the offer please let me know.
Thanks, Perry


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  • Posted by dorisl 5 NW Chicago burbs (My Page) on
    Thu, Mar 5, 09 at 9:16

Make them follow the directions by ignoring them if they dont. I say not to stick your neck out trying to contact them, let THEM try to follow up with YOU. If they dont try, they didnt really want the seeds.

:) JMHO


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Hi Perry,

I saw your post trying to reach the member with no email link, and can only imagine your frustration of wanting to 'share' your excess seeds with those who are 'wanting' them.

It is sad that so many new members have no email link. Not having one, not only makes it hard on them to become an established trader/addict, but also on those willing to share or trade with them.

At this point it is out of your hands. You gave it your best shot.

Taken from your post...
Please post here AND AND AND send me an email. I check emails every day twice a day but I don't always get back into GW every day. The first 4 NEWBIES to post and email will get the offer. Now let's have some fun!

I guess the member did not see or understand your AND AND AND part of the post.

I see a lot of offering members post asking that those that reply have their email unblocked, and know that a lot of (maybe most) members are not aware of what their profile settings need to be to be unblocked...as it is indeed different than just having an email link on their member page.

For those that are unsure about what unblocked means, it means that if I start a thread, and I have checked the box Check here if you would like copies of follow-ups to your message emailed to you. that whenever a reply comes into my Hotmail, it will display the member's email addy, THUS, I will then be able to If the member's email addy is blocked the 'from address' on the email will be (something like) gardenwebmember@gw.com and there will be a message that says something like The GW member has chosen to show their email address to NO ONE...thus I cannot just conveniently reply to the email.

So...in a nutshell if anyone new or old is still with me, if an offering member asks that your email be unblocked one should have their profile settings set to

Show my email address to:MEMBERS in the drop down box.
AND they should check the box marked Allow other users to send you email via forms at our site.

The link to update one's profile and email setting is Member Pages found at the bottom of every Garden web Page. Then choose Edit your Personal Information, Page, and preferences.

Sue...who has likely had too much coffee...think?


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I try not to get frustrated but it still happens.
If I have an offer I tell everybody wanting seed to
1. Post a reply here on the offer I made.
2. Send me an email at......
3. Do not use GW's email. I refuse to use it and will deleate any received.
If they do not follow my directions exactly I ignore them.
Sorry, no hard feelings on my end but I have little time to spend on someone who can't follow simple instructions.
Jim


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  • Posted by susanc Z9/Sunset 17 CA (My Page) on
    Thu, Mar 5, 09 at 12:07

I'm with Doris and Jim. Once a year I launch a general 'looking for trades' post. It always says "Please post here so that I can keep track". Since I usually get 20 or so responses, I really, really want all the responses there in that post so that I don't drop the ball. I used to respond to people who didn't follow that one simple instruction, but now I ignore them.


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The reason I request them to post on the offer is because that's how I determine who is first, second, or third in line. I then expect them to send me an email. The reason I don't want them to use GW's email is because I can't reply to them from my Microsoft Outlook.
I can only speak for myself but when I first started it's like anything else new. I wanted to do a lot of trading and having SASBE or BEAP offers and it was a lot of fun in the beginning.
Lately I have just become tired and bored with it and I think my posts reflect that. I have become a grumpy old man and I'm sorry.
Last year was less stressfull because I collected all of my seed and donated them to someone who is offering them on the seed exchange. I think I will do the same this year. I couldn't stand to see all of those seed go to waste.
Jim


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Perry,
I'm with you and frustrated as well.

I'm what Sue is calling "a veteran" on the seed exchange. Been here 6 years now.

In the past 2 years I've had more and more SASBE/BEAP offers with members not sending the required for them as well.
And so many that can't follow simple directions with the offer.

I've sent out over 80 BEAP with 2 offers this year and guess what? 35 additional that did not follow through and send the BEAP requirements.

Some people seem to not like rules set up for the BEAP and that's fine with me. I figure that they are my seeds being offered and I can set up the rules.

Simple rules too but when I offer the next round of seeds new rules will be added.

including this one.

If you e-mail me without posting on the thread first, I will not respond.

If you e-mail me without clearly listing your GW name in your e-mail, and telling me that this is your GW name, I will not respond to your e-mail.

I'm not going to waste time trying to track down and GW name, or verify that you really are a GW member
I am not going to send e-mails back and forth trying to find out your GW name either.

My rules are simple too, Perry, and posted in caps for all to read

1. PLEASE POST HERE. E-MAIL ME IF YOU WISH THROUGH GW, BUT PLEASE POST HERE AS WELL.

2. INCLUDE YOUR GW NAME WITH ANY E-MAIL. I'VE SPENT FAR TO MUCH TIME E-MAILING BACK AND FORTH TO FIND YOUR GW NAME. I WILL NOT TRADE OR DO SASBE WITH ANYONE THAT CAN NOT PROVIDE ME WITH A GW NAME FOR ME TO SEE THEIR MEMBER PAGE

3. DO NOT POST FOR SASBE IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH AND SEND THE REQUIRED SASBE. IT'S NOT FAIR TO HAVE ME HOLD SEEDS THAT OTHERS MIGHT WANT AND NOT RECEIVE YOUR MAILER

4. I WILL HOLD SEEDS FOR SASBE FOR 3 WEEKS ONLY AFTER I HAVE CONFIRMED THE SASBE OFFER WITH YOU AND PROVIDED THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED.. AFTER 3 WEEKS, THE SEEDS ARE BACK ON THE TRADE LIST AND IF YOUR MAILER ARRIVES AND I HAVE THE SEEDS FOR YOU, I WILL SEND THEM.

5. I DO NOT LET YOU KNOW IF THE MAILER HAS ARRIVED OR E-MAIL YOU TO SEND THE MAILER. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW IF THE MAILER HAS BEEN RECEIVED, PLEASE CONTACT ME.

6. IF YOU DO NOT SEND THE REQUIRED POSTAGE FOR THE SASBE, I WILL SEND THE NUMBER OF SEEDS THAT THE POSTAGE WILL BE ENOUGH FOR. I NO LONGER PROVIDE THE EXTRA POSTAGE, UNLESS I HAVE MADE THE MISTAKE IN FIGURING OUT THE CORRECT POSTAGE.

7. I WILL BE GLAD TO LOOK AT YOUR TRADE PAGE TO DO A TRADE, BUT I AM ONLY LOOKING FOR SEEDS THAT ARE ON MY WANT LIST, AND MAYBE SOMETHING I FORGOT TO ADD TO IT. PLEASE DON'T BE OFFENDED IF I DON'T WANT TO TO A TRADE. JUST ABOUT EVERY SEED ON MY LISTS WILL BE GROWING AGAIN IN MY YARD THIS COMING YEAR, SO I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A LOT OF NEW SEEDS.

8. I WILL E-MAIL YOU WHEN THE SEEDS HAVE BEEN MAILED AND APPRECIATE AN E-MAIL FROM YOU TELLING ME THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE SEEDS.

All the seeds on my list are marked either SASBE after the seed and those for trades only are listed exactly that way.

Yet I usually get quite a few requests for the trade only seeds for SASBE with a note that I don't have any seeds on your want list.

Really does make you wonder many times these days, doesn't it?

Fran


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Hi everyone! Thanks for all your input. I am just going to blow them off if they can't follow SIMPLE instructions on how to get the seed. I agree with you guys, why should I bust my back when all they have to do is follow the instructions. If I do anymore I guess I will have to write a "book" of rules and if they don't follow them exactly they won't get them.
Later, Perry


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I tend to pour myself a drink and bang my head on my desk.


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Hey Bakemom, how are you. I was wondering how many seed packs and bubble envelopes are you up to now and are you taking donations again this year.
Jim


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  • Posted by bakemom z6 Central Ohio (My Page) on
    Fri, Mar 6, 09 at 15:55

Jim, it's nuts. I didn't keep track this year as that was more work than sending stuff out. I send out about 15-20 packs a week. The donations have been incredible - both large and small. I get home and stuff envies and all go out the next day. We have a new mail carrier at court (where I mail about 1/3 out) and I get looks, but no comments. My co-workers know what I do and love it.

I swear I will not do it next year, but I know I will. It's just too satisfying. Look at the multiple posts and you can guess how many are coming in. Holy cow. My home mail carrier has a good sense of humor.

Last year there were 4,600 packs of seeds sent out to hundreds of noobs. 40 out of 50 states. This year....who knows, but it's MORE!

Maybe I will try records again next year - but I do have a family to support and a job to do. LOL>

Oh, your seeds are gone. I have one bag of Ech TN that I have not bagged up yet, but I have the insert printed up and ready to go. Each noob gets Ech. TN.


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Hi Karen,(bakemom)
I was one of those newbies you sent an SASBE to last year. Thanks for being one of my first enablers!!

Sue,
You were the one who taught me how to unblock my email when I was a newbie back in Sept.-08. Very good helper.

I also agree with Doris and Jim. If they really WANT the seeds they will email you again and give you the info. you originally asked for.

Cindy : )


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I sometimes put this in my SASBE requirements.

If you do not follow the instructions above, I will use your return postage and send your envelope back to you empty.

I think some people see "Free Seeds" and start looking for an email address without reading all of the post, including the requirements.
I posted a small offer last year for 50 people and the 46 that followed through did well and did what I asked. There were 4 that didn't send so I offered the seed again several weeks ago I'm still waiting for 1 to respond.
Jim


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Fran,

I think your instructions posted above are good, with the exception of using sasbe instead of BEAP. Maybe it would be good to update your trade list too, noting which seeds are available for BEAP as opposed to sasbe.

Sue,
You were the one who taught me how to unblock my email when I was a newbie back in Sept.-08. Very good helper.

Wrong! I was just being a typical enabler like so many of us....but thanks for the kind words.

I think some people see "Free Seeds" and start looking for an email address without reading all of the post, including the requirements.
I agree...I think a lot of folks today must have not done well in reading comprehension or they learned that there Evelyn Woodhead speed reading course that Cheech and Chong took, and did as well as they did.

It is anyone's guess as to why some folks cannot follow a few simple instructions. It makes you wonder if they have ever been employed and had to learn and follow basic instructions. How did they get through school not being able to follow simple instructions/rules?

Sue

For newbies who do not know...sase-sasbe is NOT a self addressed envelope-bubble or otherwise

Here is a link that might be useful: Evelyn Woodhead Speed Reading Course


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i used to get irritated when someone would email me, ask for free seeds, then not follow thru, so now when i have a sasbe offer, one of my requirements is to email me AFTER you have mailed out your envi, that way i can get things ready. i don't want to be overloaded when all these do come in, or thinking they are coming in, and have all these packages ready. LOL i just think alot of newbies/people are VRY inconsiderate!! they don't think, i used to be like that till i had that happen to me, UGH!!! **grinn** now i don't let it bother me at all. i don't try to get ahold of them, i figure (i'm not snooty, so don't think i am GEEZE!! LOL) if they want my seeds bad enough they will A) follow my rules, because they ARE my seeds, B) get back ahold of me!! LOL
and we picked all the seeds not them. so no bawling!! **big smile** ok, i do need sleep!!! LOL don't let them bother you Perry!! **big smile**


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Never heard of a BEAP so thx for clarifying.

Bakemom, I got burned out after my first 1000 packets of SASE went out with the Holy Cow SASE and after years ago.- you have certainly trumped me and my generosity. Now I'm more like Jim! Thx for making it happen.

For all those who do and do, my hat's off to you!
Karen/cheerpeople/gaga4gardens


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Sue.

list is updated and used BEAP with an explanation of what BEAP means and that it is a replacement for SASBE.

Will post a new offer with new rules later today.

Fran


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Hi Fran.
I read you BEAP requirements and cannot see how anyone could read them and wonder what they are suppose to do, unless they skip past them and go straight to the seed list. I think we should put this sentence at the end of our requirement list in big, bold, red letters.
FAILURE TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS ABOVE WILL RESULT IN ME USING YOUR RETURN POSTAGE AND MAILING YOUR BEAP BACK YOU EMPTY!
jim_6b


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The was posted on the Discussions forum and had dropped from the first page. It has some good info in it so I copied and pasted it here.
jim_6b

Att. SUE
Posted by wenders67 5 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 7, 09 at 2:51

I'm getting soooo many envies with just a thank you-no idea of what they are asking for and alot of seeds who I have no idea of where they came from,I'm still going through emails-and have had 5or6 that weren't wrapped at all,just crushed and from the ones that I can figure out who they came from ,I still owe them,someone has to let people know about the fragility of seeds,I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one who has brought this to your att. If you want-I'll post it-the jon meier was one-only 1 stamp,but he's not the only one-Anyway-let me know what you think.Wend


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Posted by chemocurl zone 5/6 S IN (My Page) on Sat, Mar 7, 09 at 7:02

Hi Wenders67,
First off, I'm sure there are much better qualified folks to address your many problems than I am, so I hope others will share their input with what works best and what has not worked in doing a lot of trades and/or seeds for postage offers (BEAP) as you do.

Fran, Jim_b, Bakemom, other big time traders and/or big time offerers of seeds for postage...weigh in here please.

Here is my 2¢ though, for what it is worth. I have never been in your situation as I do just a few transactions at a time, as I easily get overwhelmed and could easily lose track, as you have....not a good feeling. Trading and/or sharing is supposed to be fun, and not a hassle or a nightmare.

1...I would remove my name and address from your Member Page and from your Trade Page. That 'might' stop part of the problems of folks mailing you without there having been any 'instructions' from you.
2...and have had 5or6 that weren't wrapped at all,just crushed
There has been a LOT of discussion over the years about alternative packing to avoid the use of a bubble envy and 83 cents postage. While you and I and other 'veterans' know that some very tiny seeds 'might' travel ok with alternative packing and still kept under 1/4" (thus 42 cent stamp), newbies (new to GW or just new to the Seed Ex) cannot know just what all seeds will travel ok that way. That is why I, and so many others, have demanded that bubble envelopes ONLY be used for trading seeds. It is just best (imho) and simplest to get newbies on board right off the bat by requiring that ALL seed transactions require the use of bubble envelopes.

3-I'm getting soooo many envies with just a thank you-no idea of what they are asking for
Well I see you had a recent offer of datura seeds for postage. That was all there was in the offer. Maybe just send them some datura seeds, and note that the seeds and all parts of the plant are poisonous. Tell them you were clueless as to who they were and what they wanted....or you could do #6 below.

4-If anyone only sent you one stamp, there is not much you can do, unless you send them a snail mail note in a regular envy...the note explaining things....maybe something like

I am Wenders67 from GW. I received this one stamp from you. I have no idea what your Garden Web name is or what the stamp is for. If you were responding to a seeds for postage offer, you will need to send me a bubble envelope for returning your seeds. It will cost 83 cents to mail the empty BUBBLE envelope to me, and at least that much, or more to return it to you with seeds in it. Whenever emailing or mailing anyone anything, always be sure to include your Garden Web name. When responding to a seeds for postage offer, Always include your Garden Web Name, and a short note of what seeds you are getting from me...or you could do #6 below.

5-If you do know the GW member's names that sent crushed seeds, I would email them, explaining that bubble envelopes are necessary for trading as the seeds they sent you were crushed. I would not worry about sending my end of the trade until they resent the seeds with proper packaging.
They will 'learn' by being required to do it right. They may have to go and buy a bubble envelope, but hey...that's a good and very necessary thing. If they do not resolve the issue, just leave a review for them at The Rate and Review Forum just stating the facts.

6...What I would do in your situation, with those that you are clueless about who they are, so you can't address the situation with them, is start a post over on the Conversation side with a subject line of Attn-my traders and those getting seeds for postage

I would then make a detailed list of each and every one there and what the situation was. I would include in the list, the first name only along with the city and state. Do not, I repeat, do not post both the first and last names. Providing too much information (tmi) often will result in the post getting pulled and your time spent posting it will then have been wasted.

Just state the details like...
1-Sue from CO-you sent me one stamp. What is that for? Seeds cannot be mailed for just one stamp, as they require a bubble envelope which requires extra postage. I sent you a letter (and used your stamp) explaining this. Please email me if you want to try again to be a part of my seeds for postage offer. Be sure to include your GW name in the email, and let me know what you are emailing me in response to
2-Sue from KY-I received seeds (name what they were here)from you and they had no padding and were crushed. Seeds MUST be mailed in Bubble Envelopes! Please email me. Be sure to include your GW name in the email, and let me know what you are emailing me in response to
3-Sue from NY-I received a bubble envy from you and a thank you note, but I do not know what it is for since there was no note, or garden web name. Please email me. Be sure to include your GW name in the email, and let me know what you are emailing me in response to

etc, etc, etc...you get the idea.

If anyone then emails you later asking about the seeds you were to have sent them, ask them to read the list on your thread to see if they can tell what the problem may have been.

I hate, hate, hate to see the use of sase, or sasbe. It is not a self addressed stamped envelope. It is not a self addressed stamped bubble envelope. No where is the member to be putting their own (self) address on an envelope, except in a few very very rare cases like Trudi's tomato seeds offer.

If more, or everyone would stop using the terms sase, or sasbe, and instead call them BEAP- ie Bubble envelope and postage offers or Seeds for postage offers, there would be a lot less confusion. I see that some (a very few) are now using the term BEAP as opposed to the more confusing terms. BEAP says it all...Bubble Envelope and postage!.

sase-sasbe is NOT a self addressed envelope-bubble or otherwise

There has been some great discussion lately over on the Conversation side discussing such things as you are experiencing and the ways that members have chosen to handle them. See thread with the title Frustrated!!!!.

I think there might be other threads too, about reading comprehension skills, and folks not being able to follow the simplest of instructions in order to take advantage of the generous seeds for postage offers they have responded to.

Don't make yourself nuts over this.

I'm going to ask that GW move this over to the Conversation side, since it is not a trade post. If left here, it might drop off page one in a day or less, where it will stick around a lot longer, and get more rants replies/discussion on the other side.

As George Carlin (RIP) said, "Don't pet the sweaty stuff."

I look forward to reading everyone's input.

hth

Can anyone believe I wrote this on just one cup of day old coffee? Whoo-Hoo...the fresh pot just quit running through.

Anyone still awake?

Sue...loquacious (wordy) as usual


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Posted by alwaysagarden CA 9b (My Page) on Sat, Mar 7, 09 at 8:16

Sue,
Wow... you must be tired after all that!
You may be wordy, but you always get your point accross very clearly.
In doing my last BEAP offer I also recieved 2 white envelopes with postage inside. At least they sent the correct amount of postage but no bubble envy as I had requested. I of course used my own bubble envy's to return their seeds. I have a few extra. I do have to say 80% didn't have a list of what seeds I was to send them though so had to go through alot of emails in order to figure that one out. Seems common sense to send a list of what you have asked for.
I've had only one recent trade where a gal (who wasn't a newbie either), send her part of the trade in a plain white letter envelope (one .42 cent stamp on it) with no cushioning at all inside! The two packets of seeds were in a folded piece of paper. I was a little shocked. Well those seeds were pretty tough because they came through fine. I was lucky there. I've recieved several other seed trades in white letter envelopes with bubble envy cut up to cushion seeds and they came through great, never one problem.
Wenders,
I'm so sorry you've had such bad luck with those responding to your BEAP offer. I think some newbies are just so excited to get some seeds they don't take the time to read and follow through with directions. Some may just send what looks right to them.

I too would like to hear from bakemom, littleone, quiltingfox, did BEAPs with all of them. Wonderful ladies.

Cindy : )


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Posted by chemocurl zone 5/6 S IN (My Page) on Sat, Mar 7, 09 at 8:56

Thanks Cindy,
I do have to say 80% didn't have a list of what seeds I was to send them though so had to go through alot of emails in order to figure that one out.
Did you ask them to mail you a list? If not, I would not think, or assume that anyone would do anything that was not asked of them. Anyone who has not juggled more than just a couple (2-3) transactions at a time, just do not understand how important it is to enclose a note with their GW name, and a note listing what had been offered.
Now, if I had asked for a list, and they did not send one, I would not be nearly as nice as you. I would just send them some seeds...my choice along with a note that you didn't know what they had wanted since they had not enclosed a list as agreed to. That'll learn 'em!

I've recieved several other seed trades in white letter envelopes with bubble envy cut up to cushion seeds and they came through great, never one problem.
I too have received a few and that is fine. I would never accept a part of a bubblie for a BEAP though, as it would not cushion very many packets of seeds. Sometimes too, people think if they use a part of a bubble in a plain white envy, that they are saving postage by just putting a 42 cent stamp on it. Well, putting a cut up bubblie in regular white envy cannot go for 42cents, as it is too thick (over 1/4") so must go for 83cents....if the PO is charging correctly....but we won't get into that this AM.

Sue...over and outta here.


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Posted by jaleeisa 6b Oklahoma (My Page) on Sat, Mar 7, 09 at 9:57

I have gotten into the habit of having them send me a list, if it's not a 'my choice' type BEAP. It's so much easier than having to dig back through several emails. I do the same when I respond to a BEAP offer... and any trade. A list of what I'm sending as well as a list of what I'm looking forward to receiving from them. At least in a trade, I take care of the recap and that list myself. When I'm offering a BEAP, I stress to them that if I have the list in front of me with their BE when it arrives, I can generally get their seeds packed up and back in the mail by the next day.
As much as I hate to say it, I have to use 'rules' when I make an offer:

1. Post here (so I can determine who was 1st, 2nd, etc)
2. Email me, including your GW ID in the email (so I know who I'm dealing with)
3. Use a Bubble Mailer (if it's just a BEAP offer where they can choose, depending on the number of choices they make, I may specify a BE size)

etc..

In the course of the emails with them, I may find other seed that is on their wants list that I don't have offered in the post, so I may offer it. Or they may have something I'm interested in and we'll turn it into a trade, even if it's an uneven one. As long as we're both happy, right? :)
If it's a seriously uneven trade, with the bulk going out on my side and I feel it may need some extra postage to mail to them (though I can sure stuff a lot of seeds in a BE for .84!) there have been a few where I'm sending them a lot of bulky veggie seed (from a BEAP offer)and asking for some marigolds that I don't have in return, so I'll ask them to include an extra stamp. And I'm more than happy to do the same if the trade is seriously uneven on their side too! That stamp is either used on their return package or it is returned to them in their BE.

Sorry, got a little off track.

The main thing is, I enjoy being generous, but this is suppose to be for my enjoyment as well as for theirs. If they don't use a BE, I will email them and make sure they understand that I'm not sending the seed, especially the larger, more bulky (any thus, more easily crushed) ones without padding. And if they come to me that way and are crushed, then I let them know and expect that they will make it right and use a BE this time.

Wendy, I agree about taking your name and address off of your trade page, hon. Because several of those that are mailing you have probably not done so from an actual offer you've made, but rather just "cold mailing" you. That makes it really difficult to keep up with things. And I'd set some rules for the exchange-whether it's from an offer you've made or a trade you're working. I understand some folks wanting to go more green- like Trudi. But Trudi is very experienced in making sure those seeds are well cushioned and will arrive in viable shape.

I've also received seeds from some of the more experienced traders in a plain envelope. And I do send some that way for the Birthday Card swap I'm in. However, I always literally wrap those seeds in bubble wrap and make sure they are secured to the middle card so that they can't shift. Though I do use a BE if they are the more bulky seed.

It's the time of year when we are getting an influx of newbies, and we have to teach them to be good traders. Sue's suggestion of listing their first name and state is a great idea. Hopefully you'll be able to get it sorted out, Wendy. If it becomes stressful, then something needs to change and change quickly. *BIG HUGS*

Hehe... how about this, Sue? And I haven't even had my first cup of coffee yet! Thought my son was gonna make it for me, but he's watching some movie :( So I've gotta go do it myself.

Kathy


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RE: Att. SUE
Posted by chemocurl zone 5/6 S IN (My Page) on Sat, Mar 7, 09 at 10:07

How about this for a BEAP instruction.
When mailing me your bubble envelope and postage, please include your GW name, a mailing label, and a list of seeds I have agreed to send you.

Failure to send either your GW name OR the list, will result in me sending you one pack of seeds which will be my choice.

That oughtta fix 'em.

Great reply Kathy, especially considering you did it without even your first cup.

Sue....really outta here now.


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Posted by bakemom z6 Central Ohio (My Page) on Sat, Mar 7, 09 at 13:34

Pour yourself a drink. Bang your head on your desk. When you stop it feels good.
Here's what I do: I do use the term SASBE b/c I have been doing it for so long and for the most part, everyone seems to understand what to do. HOWEVER, there are people who do not. I am fortunate that I have donors who have sent me packs of bubble mailers and pages of stamps. How great is that? If a noob messes up, it's no big deal. In fact, I am offering just a label and four stamps mailer and I provide the bubble envie. Clear out my file cabinets.

I have ONE offer. It is my choice. They are pre-packaged. If someone specifically wants veggies, they must include a note, otherwise it's a crap shoot.

Doesn't matter who they are and what they want - they get what I send them. And, it's all good.


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Posted by chemocurl zone 5/6 S IN (My Page) on Sat, Mar 7, 09 at 14:19

I said in a post above to include in the instructions:
Failure to send either your GW name OR the list, will result in me sending you one pack of seeds which will be my choice.
Does anyone see anything wrong with that? Oftentimes folks respond to an seeds for postage offer and it is for just one particular variety of seeds. If you stated it up front with the instructions, there should be no problem, should there?

Bakemom...I understand that sase and sasbe has always worked for the most part before...I just don't understand why it now seems to confuse so many. There is frequently a post on Conversations, or here on Discussions, or someone emailing me with questions about what it means...sigh.

You seem to have it down pat with your offering...for the very least amount of headaches.

Sue


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Posted by littleonefb z5MA (My Page) on Sat, Mar 7, 09 at 14:39

OK, year 6 for me and though I've been using SASBE for all this time, when I send out the info directly to a member
Please send me a, and I specify the bubble envelope size based on the number of seed packets that where requested,

a return address label with your name and address on it.

a list of the seeds I am sending you with your GW name and your real name on it.

The number of postage stamps required, I have a digital postal scale and weigh everything so I know the postage.

I will reuse the mailer to send your seeds in.

Then I add this.

Just address the bubble envelope to me, put everything inside that I asked for, tape it up and mail it to me. THERE IS NO NEED TO PUT THE BUBBLE ENVELOPE INSIDE ANOTHER ENVELOPE TO MAIL IT TO ME.

Sounds simple enough to understand, yet I have still gotten several mailers inside a second envelope.

I agree with Sue that BEAP is a far better term to use, but SASBE has been used now for so long now that I think using BEAP alone may be confusing.

I'm going to change my listings to start using it this way now BEAP/SASBE for the rest of this year. Next year it will be only BEAP.

I'm going to do some changes to the rules that I set up when I post for trades and I will post a thread with them.

The only problem with setting rules is this. There will always be some that will jut ignore them no matter what we do, and we have to stick to the rules that we set up and follow through with them.
That will be the only way to be sure that members begin to realize that the rules of the forum and what other members set up for their offers really mean something.

Oh, yes, get that address off your member page. not a good idea to have that kind of information open and available on any forum.

Fran


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Posted by jim_6b TN (My Page) on Sat, Mar 7, 09 at 16:42

I agree with Sue. Check out the Frustrated thread. I let everyone know that I will not accept regular white envelopes.
OK Sue, from now on it's BEAP. Or how about BEABIDFYDIPANGWN which means BUBBLE ENVELOPE AND BECAUSE I DIDN'T FOLLOW YOUR DIRECTIONS INCORRECT POSTAGE AND NO GARDEN WEB NAME.
jim_6b


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