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Switching from hobby farm to 'real' farm?

Posted by desertmarcy Arizona (My Page) on
Sat, Jan 22, 11 at 22:00

I've been toying with the idea of making my mini-farm hobby an official farm business. Has anybody on this forum made this switch? I spent several hours on the IRS website (oh, that was lots of fun...) trying to read about rules for farms. So confusing. As I understand it, one needs to make a profit 3 out of 5 years. There seem to be a lot of rules about deductions. I sell eggs, baby poultry, goats, some veggies. Right now I'm just trying to help pay for animal feed. I could sure use some deductions for all the farm expenses--pens especially. Is it worth the hassle of being an official business for a small operation? What if one needs to close shop before 5 years is up? Thanks for sharing any experiences you all have had.

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RE: Switching from hobby farm to 'real' farm?

Marcy - The main difference between a hobby and a business is that business deductions can carry over from one year to the next and hobby ones can't. That means big cash expenses like barns and pens can only be partially deducted if you are a hobby farmer, but they can be deducted from several years income for a business farmer.

Another large difference is that hobby deductions are limited to hobby income: example, you pay $1200 for feed and pots and make $1100 from selling goats, chicks and veggies ... you end up with a net hobby income of ZERO and no deductions against any other income. If you made $1300 in the sales you would have a hobby income of $100 which gets taxed as if it were regular income.

If it had been a $100 business loss, you could have taken it off other income, such as salary, rents, or stock dividends.

Get yourself some recent books on small businesses - they make more sense than the IRS site because they have a better topic organization. And sit down and figure out what things are costing you and what they are bringing in. Figure out if you are up to acting like a businesswoman on this: all the record keeping has to be businesslike, you have to be really trying to make a profit, etc.

There is a serious disadvantage to declaring something a business: if you haven't made any money in about 5 years, the IRS can declare that it was a hobby all along and you end up paying the taxes and penalties.,,id=186056,00.html

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