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Diamactus Earth

brendasue
15 years ago

We've been reading a lot about DE over the past year or so on various lists & websites. There are many who use it for parasite control and they love it. On the flip side some say it worked for a while, then after months (years maybe?) the effectiveness decreased (not sure why).

Also I've seen several questions (with no difinitive answers) that DE can cut/scratch the intestines due to the very medium it uses to decrease parasites: cutting/severing them because it's like fine glass, and also it can hurt the environment by killing good bugs like earthworms.

We're on the fence. Of course we want to use the least harmful treatment, however it needs to be effective with the least side effects. We have heard many more good comments than bad, but it's still fairly new to widespread use.

What are your thoughts? Has anyone used it longterm and is it still effective? What about intestinal damage? Are there any studies someone can point me to, or personal experiences? What effects does DE do to the garden after useage?

Brendasue

Comments (11)

  • fancifowl
    15 years ago

    It's my opinion that its efficacy over rated. Others however think it is the best thing to use for just about everything! Earthworms arent bugs?? but I have read it's their slime which prevents their injury. It is calcium(skeletons of dead sea life((Diatoms))) so that is beneficial for the soil and the plants. poultry forums periodicly discus this ad naseum.

  • msjay2u
    15 years ago

    I am not a long term user but I have not seen any evidence that it does not work. I do not use medicated feed for my goats I use DE mixed in. I guess I will let you know my response in a few years.

    I think it is not supposed to kill worms.

    I am a fan, I guess I got caught up in the hype when it eradicated the ants I had problems getting rid of.

  • brendan_of_bonsai
    15 years ago

    Its actually glass not calcium, and it works by a dual action so far as I can tell, both by cutting the joints of arthropods and by wicking the waxy cuticle off of the exoskeleton. As the diatom valves are pulverized they will become little more than glass dust, which will not be effective. You must refresh it periodically.

  • runningtrails
    15 years ago

    I have only just started using it, just a little in the dust bath, for my chickens. I mainly bought it to put on broccoli and cabbage to get rid of cabbage worms. I'll let you know after this summer if it works.

  • msjay2u
    15 years ago

    I am providing a link that explains the dynamics of DE. I think I read somewhere that it turns more to glass when it is heated and that is why you do not use pool grade but I can not find it again. The link is probably more than you want to know on food grade DE but it is very helpful information in understanding what it is and why it works.

    The document is so long because it also covers Bentonite Clay. PDF Pages 1-18 deals with DE only.

    Here is a link that might be useful: info on DE

  • fancifowl
    15 years ago

    You are correct brendon and I should have known that is silica. i used it in diatom aquarium filters for years. I dug out my papers on it after I posted but before you corrected me. my bad.

  • brendasue
    Original Author
    15 years ago

    Thanks for the info. The link didn't load for me, it acted like it was live though so I'll try again later.

    My biggest concern is the effects on the intestines. I'm anxious to read that link, see if it offers any information on that.

    Brendasue

  • msjay2u
    15 years ago

    I think it is a pdf document

  • brendan_of_bonsai
    15 years ago

    Its was a minor mistake, nothing to worry your self over.

  • sandykk
    14 years ago

    Lots of people with chickens are using the food grade of DE in their coops. I use the deep litter method and sprinkle the DE in the wood shavings to help keep the litter dry, it knocks the flies right out and keeps the smell gone. Also, it will control lice and mites on your chickies.

    People are known to eat the food grade DE for health benefits.

  • lucky_p
    14 years ago

    While DE *may* be of some benefit in damaging external parasites(lice, mites, etc.) there is NO documented evidence that it has any effect on internal parasites - even in studies where it was fed at 5% of the total ration(which caused some respiratory problems in the goats it was fed to, due to the 'dustiness' factor).

    Any glowing reports you may see or read with regard to its 'miraculous' effectiveness as a dewormer are anecdotal bullflop, pure and simple, with no scientific evidence to substantiate those claims.
    I'm sure there'll be somebody along sooner or later who'll offer tales of how their goats' condition improved after feeding DE - they gained weight, coats were shinier, they could run faster and jump higher, etc. - but I can assure you that it wasn't just because they fed some DE. There have been myriad trials conducted through the years, with good scientific design to compare efficacy of DE against untreated control groups, and no significant positive effect could be demonstrated.

    One concern - and it's a very real one - with concern to feeding DE to male ruminants(goat/sheep/cattle) is that the phosphorus content may skew their Ca:P balance(it contains other minerals in addition to SiO2) and cause formation of bladder stones which can occlude the urethra. I've seen it happen, and it's a well-documented occurrence in the veterinary literature.

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