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Cheaper way to kill fleas on your dogs

Posted by msmitoagain z8 ms (My Page) on
Wed, Jul 30, 08 at 15:35

The below is what I use on my dogs. We have 20 dogs, due to having deer hunting dogs, rabbit hunting dogs and rescued dogs because we live in the country. This information came from the MS Dept. of Wildlife, Parks and Fisheries Hunting Dog Forum. I used it last year and this year when some of our beagles came home with fleas and it works. After killing the infestation and then re-applying for a couple of months, I didn't continue using it because they are all penned and the fleas were gone.

I am not a vet. So I don't want anybody reaming me out for posting this. Use only at your own risk, but I have told several of friends about this and they are now using it too with no dire effects. It worked for us and it's an affordable solution to fleas. I have not found any ticks on the dogs either. I used it as a spot-on and also sprayed their houses/pens with it. But mainly what I'm trying to point out, use less if you are not sure to be sure you don't over dose your dog.

FROM THE MDWPF FORUM, remarks cut from several posters:
If you have flea problems i recomend using BAYER - TREE AND SHRUB spray it works wonders , i apply 12 cc's once a month down the back on my grown hounds , you can buy it at wal-mart , Home Depot and i think i saw it at Lowes

We had a bad tick and flea infestation at the camp where the dogs are housed. Dogs were covered in ticks and fleas. I used the Bayer TREE AND SHRUB.. Let me tell ya that stuff rid the dogs of all the ticks and the fleas were minimal.. That stuff works great.. I diluted with water and sprayed all the dogs.

I need to go back this weekend and do another treatment. I will try the 12cc's that has got to be easier than spraying. :)
Just put it on your dogs neck full strength out of the bottle and rub it in.You can dilute and spray the kennels if you want or you can put Borax laundry detergent on your kennel floors.Just sprinkle it like a lite snow and dampen it so that it will not blow away.Both works great on fleas.

This is what I told my friends:
It talks about using Bayre Tree and Shrub to spray yards or to use it as a spot on. I bought a bottle at walmart this weekend it was $19 . I think I got the large bottle, there may be a smaller one available.

The Bayre might be a little more now than when I bought it. We use a syringe that I got from the vet supply to pull it out of the bottle. But we do not use a needle on the syringe when applying the liquid to the dog. Just squirt it on between the shoulder blades and rub it in with the end of the syringe.

We talked about it and we said that we would use 6 cc's on our big beagles. And, 3 to 4 cc's on the smaller beagles, and 1-2 cc's on the small yard dogs.
We think when they are referring to 12 cc's per hound, that they are talking about Walkers or Coon Hounds 50-60 Lb dogs.

The adult male Bluetick coonhound will normally weigh between 55 to 80 pounds and be between 22 and 27 inches tall.


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RE: Cheaper way to kill fleas on your dogs

Makes sense. The active ingredient in Bayer Tree & Shrub is 1.47% imidacloprid - the same ingredient which they market in Advantage flea control for dogs in a 9.1% solution.


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I wonder, for cats??

Thanks!


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I have dominion 21 which is 21% imidacl.....since you said advantage is 9.1 % what do I use on a dog 150 lb,140lb,120lb,100lb and 160lb I have others 35lb 60lb 85lb I rescue and cannot afford the label products thanks I was told to dilute w/water is that right all info is helpful I don't want to od them


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athenalegare - I would have responded to your email that you sent me, but I cannot locate an email address for you. However you sent your message shows up as "Do Not Respond to this Message".

We've used the Bayre Tree and Shrub on our hunting and outside dogs. We used it in 2008 and 2009 as a spot on for a couple of months and as a spray.

We used it as a spot on based on what I posted above. We sprayed as mixed per the instructions on the bottle and sprayed in the dog houses and kennels.

We've not had any strays this year (nor escapes) which will usually generate a flea infestation.
The dogs have not had any fleas so far this year and we've not had to treat any of them.

I don't know what product you have. So therefore, I cannot give you any advice on that one. I would get the Bayre Tree and Shrub and it is affordable.

In our opinion of using the Bayre on our dogs we used the phylosophy that "less is best". We didn't want to overdose any of our dogs either.

All of them are very fat, healthy and doing just great.


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Diatomaceous Earth is perfectly harmless (except to fleas and all other insects) as long as you use the food grade only. Good for both cats and dogs and can be put into food to take care of internal parasites. (good also for ants and anything invading your home --- you can even put it on top of your counters without harming anyone.)

Amazing to me that this isn't more widely known, but vets don't make much money selling it. We have used it for decades and never buy anything else for fleas, ticks, ear mites, etc.


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Is diatomaceous earth available at most box stores? I remember some pool filters use it but pool supply stores are usually expensive.


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My neighbor who moved away this spring used DE for Jap beetles last year. Got it at Lowe's. I don't know much about the stuff but he's into organics and said to be sure to get the food grade but didn't know they could eat the stuff. He put on a mask and surgical gloves, dampened his hibiscus, then sprinkled the DE all over it, got rid of most of the beetles, should repeat every week. Should be safe for bees.

As to the Bayer stuff, the imidacloprid I know kills bees so gardeners using it indiscriminately are causing great harm (shouldn't spray it on anything that is blooming), but I guess if you spray your dogs with the right concentration, it might be ok and cheaper than Advantage which works great and also has residual action for some time that kills any that they pick up later, got rid of mine in the house one year using it on my cat so didn't have to get pest control but not a major infestation like I've had in the past.

I'd be careful using it on a cat though. I'd call a vet, and they sell Advantage based on the weight of the cat, so I'd tell them how much your cat weighs and ask what the concentration of imidacloprid on the squeeze tube is for that weight. If just one cat, I'd just use Advantage and not the Bayer personally.

I'm a little leery though but can see the bind you're in as Advantage for every dog would be expensive.

I used to have to dip mine and didn't know any better, but used the dog strength on a cat and nearly killed the poor thing, it languished for a few days then got better. Never make that mistake again.


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I agree with carmen_grower_2007. We use diatomaceous earth too, and it works well. If you have never used it, it may take 3 to 5 days for it to get all the little crawlies but it works. Be sure to use FOOD GRADE and NOT the stuff they sell for pools. Here are a couple of sites:

http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/buy_diatomaceous_earth.html

http://www.dirtworks.net/Diatomaceous-Earth.html


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I use advantage on my cats- vet tech who has lots of cats let me in on the secret. I use .4 CCs on cats under 9 lbs and .8 CCs on cats over 9 lbs. I have been buying the blue tube of advantage which is 9.1% imidacloprid. It works very well. I use a 3CC syringe because it's easier to read. I want to use the Bayer product (1.47%), but am unsure how to because of the difference in percentages. Anybody know a chemist?


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I found a great way to keep fleas off our dog.
Add to his drinking water four teaspoons of
apple cider vinegar per gallon of water.
At first I did this to all his drinking water
but after the fleas were gone I slacked off and now
I only have to do this a couple of times per week.
It raises the acidity level in the blood
and the fleas just don't like that at all.

Pooh Bear

Here is a link that might be useful: http://www.earthclinic.com/Pets/fleas2.html


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THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO GET RID OF FLEAS. I HAVE A FRIEND WHO TOLD ME ABOUT THE BAYER TREE AND SHRUB. SHE RESCUES DOGS. FROM WHAT SHE HAS TOLD ME YOUR SUPPOSE TO USE 1CC PER 5LBS. ON YOUR ANIMAL. IT REALLY WORKS!!!!!!!!


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First of all I don't like diatomaceous earth applied on my dogs because it make their hair dusty and grimey which is not suitable for me sense they are inside and I like to scratch them without getting a film on my hands. It's good for other things though and safe. I've been using permethrin 10%. It's also used a lot with horses, kennels, breeders, hunters, and stables. It should not be used on cats, and I have heard that a mixture with Bayer is even better which is what I'm researching now. With Permethrin, the fleas die instantly, but usually come back after a week or two. Still it's cheap and effective. With Bayer it sounds like it may be much better.


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12 ccs of the Bayer as a spot-on treatment for fleas? That would be 12 syringes full (small insulin syringe) for a say 70 lb dog? This seems like a LOT. Are you sure it's not 1.2 ccs?

thanks


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I found the same thing as the Bayer and Dominion at a store here...Wondering if it is the same thing the amt of 1.47% imidacloprid ...Orschelins carry's it..and it also is for trees and shrubs...I would like to hear more from those who have used it...The fleas are horrible this year...


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Are you aware that Bonide Tree and Shrub has the SAME 1.47 % concentration of Imidocloprid ; however it is 33% cheaper then the Bayer Tree and Shrub per gallon... GLTA a former owner of a German Shepherd..


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We use Permetrhin down the spine. We have used garlic given orally. Never used vinegar but many tout it is good for many things.

I would hesitate to use a tree & shrub chemical on any animal without doing my research. We use no chemicals on our trees or lawns, either. One has to wonder what those chemicals, sprayed all over the place, are doing to the beneficial bugs, like maybe butterflies & the bees that are dying off so quickly.

I suppose it is better to spot it on a dog than to spray it all over the lawn & shrubs.....but still, has any research been done on the effects of humans/animals?

Has anyone researched the active ingredients, or is everyone just using it because he fleas & ticks are gone?

Just curious...


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There is no evidence that diatomaceous earth has ever killed a worm inside an animal. Ever. Anywhere.
Detrimental to external arthropod parasites, yes, but nematode parasites inside the animal, NO.


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Don't feed garlic to dogs. It can cause gastrointestinal upset and a type of anemia.

Here is a link that might be useful: ASPCA - pets and garlic


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Dont know if its cheaper but I like it,instead of putting the greasy stuff on back of neck you spray bedding ,the dog,frontline.


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The packaged Advantage for pets is about 7 times more potent than the tree and shrub is at 1 1/2% so that is why you have to use more, but that being said, we did not use anywhere near 12 cc's on our 80# dogs and it worked fine. I do not remember for sure what we used last year...we started with about 6 and waited for a week to see if it worked and if it did not, we added another 1 or 2 and so on, the first time around. A month later, we knew what had worked. And yes, it did work! We were breeding doxies and had always used Frontline spray until they became resistant to it! Our whole area of pet owners were going crazy! We were so happy to find this! For the 10-12# dogs, we used 2cc's spread down their spines and for the cats we used about the same or a little less depending on weight. Time to start in again this year!


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Please be aware that if you are using "Bayer Tree & Shrub Insect Killer" that Bayer Co. added a fertlizer to it in 2010--the label now says "Protect & Feed"--the "feed" part is nitrogen fertlizer which can burn your pet.

Best to use Ortho Tree & Shrub Insect Killer or Martin's brand of Tree & shrub Insect Killer, or Old Dominion brand--they contain only imidacloprid and no added fertilizer.


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I'm going to give the Bayer tree and shrub a try on the dog but really hesitate to use it as a surrounding spray because of our collapsing bee colonies. In places where fleas are in grass and soil, I swear by beneficial nematodes. You water spray them on the lawn and especially under houses if the dogs/cats can get there. But you must keep the ground moist for awhile after applying. (for those of you in drought conditions--my sympathies) You can buy different varieties for different insects at http://www.arbico-organics.com/category/beneficial-nematodes

Here is a link that might be useful: The Flea control type


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I was looking for some information and came across this post, which caused me to do something I have never done and that is join a forum.

What you are recommending is ILLEGAL and is breaking federal law.

It is illegal to use a pesticide on any site not listed on the label, even if it contains the same active ingredient as another product that does have that use on its label.

It is not just the active ingredient, but the formulation as well. Example: Rodeo (an aquatic formulation of glyphosate) is safe to use to control emerged aquatic vegetation and will not harm aquatic invertebrates.. Round Up on the other hand has the same active ingredient, but will harm aquatic invertebrates.

One BIG reason that the EPA pulls registrations of pesticides is because of misuse. We used to have an excellent fire ant control product that was available for homeowners to buy, but because of consumer misuse (not following label directions), the product is now restricted and has to be applied by a certified applicator.

Somebody is going to harm their dog or cat following your recommendations.


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now that you've put your 2 cents in, go unsignup from the forum.....

p.s., could you not read that this post started in july of 08.........


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I believe that Bayer is the manufacturer of Advantix for dogs. Yet I understand why many pet owners have resulted to using their insecticide product made with Imidacloprid for their pets. Many people who own pets simply cannot afford to spend over $50 per 3 item/box of Advantix etc. for their pets. I am unemployed and have 5 dogs to care for. One was my dog, the other 4 were dumped here ( I live in a rural area where pet dumping is common). I cannot buy over $1000 worth of Advantix a year. I tried the Bayer Tree and Shrub imidacloprid on these dogs and it worked great. I live in a wooded area where fleas are horrendous in the summer. The fleas come in from the woods and fields into the yard; you can walk outside in white socks and have hundreds on your socks. They end up in the house and are difficult to remove. I would rather use this product than see animals tortured to death by fleas. Fleas can kill your pets!!!! I've volunteered in animal rescue and have seen dogs killed by fleas.
As far as naysayers stating that it is not recommended to use this product on pets; it is no more of an off-label use than what doctors do every day with prescription drugs. Also, any product that you spray in your yard, ends up on your pets, in your house on your carpet, you breathe it in, etc. There is no completely safe product, but if you use it sparingly, you may lessen the long term effects.


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