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Ne USDA animal tagging requirements

mommagoose
18 years ago

On other forums this has been discussed but I have not seen anything here, maybe I missed it, but what does everyone think of the new requirements? I own 119 chickens, 5 geese and a goat and I am afraid it is going to cost me a fortune to tag my birds and the goat. I wonder how the USDA is going to pay to keep all the information. Basically, everytime an animal leaves your property a report will have to be filed. Sounds imposible to me. What is your take on this?

Comments (32)

  • mommagoose
    Original Author
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Obviously you folks don't realize that this will affect everyone in the country who has farm animals. Every cow , horse chicken duck etc is going to be given a number. Each time an animal is sold, shown in a fair or dies it will have to be reported to the government. What is your opinion?

  • lucky_p
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    General info here.

    Here is a link that might be useful: About NAIS

  • Maggie_J
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I find this idea a bit scary. I'm sure the government means well and views these measures as a way to prevent epidemics... but it stikes me as overkill. Also impossible to enforce. If my rabbit had ten kits and I sell two of them to my neighbour, who would know?

    I'll tell you one thing... makes me glad I'm a Canadian. We may have three layers of government and strict gun laws, but I can't imagine our government trying to implement something like this. (Of course, I am tempting fate by posting this!)

  • brendasue
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Well, I wasn't going to post because I really don't have anything nice to say about the whole thing. I'll give it a whirl.

    First, let me explain that I test my animals for many diseases-regulated or not. I do this because I'm starting out with breeding animals & I want to be able to control any diseases while I'm still "small" and can afford to test(scrapies being the exception, of course as that is only testable on a dead animal). I want, and have, a clean herd at this point. The last thing I need is to be quaranteened or have my animals disposed of because I failed to do my homework & bought diseased animals. I look at it like I'm investing in & safeguarding the future of my herd (goats).

    I've heard of "reportable" diseases being reported to the state and absolutely NO FOLLOW UP has been performed. Given that, I don't really understand the whole purpose of them being "reportable". I do understand that these diseases could indeed hurt the general public in one way or another-but they're going overboard. There must be a better way.

    Question-WHY does my state still require TB & Brucellosis when importing animals (and all but 3 or so states) have been eradicated of the disease? Why not just imports from those 3 states & out of country? (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here). Bottom line here is the only animals being tested are those legally being transported across state lines. My point is, that by the time a disease gets to the reporting stage, too many farms/animals have been exposed and became possible carriers.

    I beleive the whole idea is a scam. A scam to suck more money out of farmers, and try to control them, possibly put out of business. Voluntary and paid for today, once we all sign up, then mandatory and we'll be paying for it out of our pocket. I don't actually make a gosh darn dime on anything I may sell when looking at the whole picture(feed, shots, taxes, labor). Yet I will be supporting even more payrolls through my tax dollars to initiate, monitor, improve, control, and follow through on this program. For what? So they can continue tellimg us we can't sell raw goats milk to my neighbor even though they know the risks, one goat equals a cow in regards to pasture so we're overstocked, we can't have a rooster because he crows, our livestock guardian dog who protects his goats from attack is not protected under the law because goats aren't categoried as livestock, and one ADHD boy cannot keep his goats in his suburban neighborhood.

    Scrapies tags (some states require another tag, too), are innappropriate for goats who get into EVERYTHING. Who pays for the damage from the tag being ripped off? If something happens to my $600.00 goats, i'll be lucky to get $100.00/head. We pay for it, of course. Time, labor, stress. It's too much. Tagging a chicken? Absurd.

    What about the new law they're trying to pass about sales of animals over $500.00/year? Not sure if that's the proper amount, but it would include rabbits, cats, dogs, goats, horses, chickens-you name it. Why? Control. Money. Greed. I'm not sure where that issue stands right now but it's ludicrious. Sarcasm? You bet.

    Thanks for letting me vent. I'll get off my soapbox now.

    Darn good question and I'm interested in hearing other's take on this issue.

    BrendaSue

  • gldno1
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I think it is too invasive in our private lives. We should be scared! Our personal rights have been slowly eroding over the years and it needs to stop. I didn't really like the idea of the government telling me I needed a seat belt inside my own vehicle! Did your auto insurance go down? That was a big selling point back then.

    I suspect most of the diseases are coming from other countries. Maybe all these animals should be quarantined and tested before allowing them in. I know we already have several animal communicable diseases that the vet has to report if he finds it on a farm. It seems that should be enough.

    I personally want Uncle Sam to stay off my farm, out of my car and out of my home! It is bad enough we have to report everything at tax time, enough!

    Of course, this will provide jobs......think how many people will have to be employed to do this and we know what a super job government has always done.....................

    I am always open to new ideas and I may be wrong about the source of diseases. Please feel free to enlighten me or show me the benefit of all this.

  • sharon_sd
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Maggie, not every animal, but all cattle, sheep, goats, swine, bison, and farmed cervids need to be tagged in Canada. You don't have to tag and report animals that remain on your farm, or die there. You do need to tag all animals in the species above with a tag which has been registered to you by a gov't approved agency before they leave your property for any reason.

    This law has been in effect for several years, depending on the species.

  • Maggie_J
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks, Sharon, for the clarification. So it doesn't apply to poultry? Odd, when you consider the worries about avian flu lately.

  • SilverVista
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    BrendaSue, FWIW, your mandatory scrapie (No "s" at the end of the word) ID can be tattooed on a goat. I know it doesn't solve the overall "Big Brother" problem, but it does give you a non-tag option.

    The problem I foresee is that you not only need to tag, but to keep records. Not very many people in the general population are good and consistent record-keepers, let alone people who are busy handling livestock. I can foresee some pretty ugly situations if a problem is traced back to a farm whose records are lacking, and the consequences prescribed are harsh because the problem animal's lineage or herd associative information isn't clear.

  • Pipersville_Carol
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I'm in Pennsylvania, and haven't heard anything about this. I'll have to tag my two ancient pet hens??

  • brendasue
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    When I purchased my goats from Florida, the farm had no farm ID program in place, so when the vet drew the blood, he had to place a mandatory tag on both animals so I could fly/import them to my state. They didn't give me the option of a tattoo. I'm not sure if that was because they didn't have the tattoo kit, rushed circumstances, simply because the vet said so, or maybe airline regs. I just don't know. They were not yet registered, that may have made a difference, too-but it just didn't fly-(pun intended).

    Yes, no "S", I noticed another typo in that post, too. What does FWIW mean?

    Records are indeed hard to keep up with sometimes. I keep a pad near the medicine chest so I can transfer the info into my records later. Even so, sometimes I forget & they are not necessarily in date order(manual system). I guess it's better than nothing. Is there somewhere that lists exactly what records should be kept & how long? Or is it just the normal shots, parents, Id,ect? I didn't see one on the Aphis site but I'll look again, or maybe I need a completely different website?

    Thanks!

    BrendaSue

  • gldno1
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    BrendaSue, FWIW is for what it's worth. (I had to look it up too).

  • SilverVista
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Records that will make a difference if you ever have a Scrapie scare:
    If born on your farm, the date of birth and the ID, origin and acquisition dates of the dam and sire, name and address of recorded owners if not you, and name address and sale date of current owners if not you. If purchased, the name and address of the seller, and the purchase date. If you sell it, the name and address of the buyer and the sale date. If it dies, the date of death and probable cause. They aren't going to care if you wormed it. They're going to care what animals were related, and what animals were in physical contact so that trace-forward and trace-back can be accomplished.

  • brendasue
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Laughing here-rough week already after the holiday. Couldn't figure that one out to save my life.

    I found a sample record sheet on my states USDA page. Simple stuff to record. At least it's not a major project on the record keeping end of it....5 year retention!

    Pipersville Carol-I don't think you have to as of yet, but yes, if this goes through, you would have to if they left your farm/land, or purchase them with it (I beleive). I'm not up on the bird end of it really. There's a link posted earlier to help bring you up to speed, or visit the USDA website & look for links to APHIS.

  • thejimmie
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    i personally believe it`s a total crock of poh, as far as the "safety concerns" part goes. i don`t think they (goverment) cares diddley squat about "our safey", they see it as another way to have more control over us: creeping socialism. i believe they don`t like the independence we farmers have, we are not corporate goons. they would love to replace our small farms with large corporate owned an run factory farms and have all of us work for them, where we could all be under more control. think about it! control the food and you control the people. heads up people, our american independent spirit is waning. i said this 20 years ago and most people thought i was some sort of weirdo, but many of them today agree with me. as i said before, heads up and pay attention to what is going on around you. we don`t need the government to regulate anymore of our daily lives; they already do too much of that. i know the real reason for this animal id program and yes it is corporate motivated.

  • mommagoose
    Original Author
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I plan on getting eggs from out of state to incubate more chickens this spring. I also plan on selling fertile Welsummer and Buff Orpington eggs in the spring. Will I have to put my farm ID on each of the eggs? How will this work? Which comes first the chicken or the egg?

  • NebrJewel
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Been reading this with interest and have several comments.

    Instead of relying on hearsay, please call your State's Department of Agriculture to find out if there are any regulations relating to any of the livestock you raise/sell. It is my understanding that the USDA will not be ready for this until 2009. IMHO, as a cattle producer, this is ridiculous. There are already great cattle id systems on the market. There is a consensus out there that the reason this is being delayed is due to corporate lobbying. If you will do a google search of cattle animal identification, you will probably find that in general, the corporation (specifically meat packing plants) are against this as it will add their cost of production.

    I work for the government. I agree that the potential bureaucracy will probably be mind boggling. On the other hand, as a small cattle farmer (we have 30 cows), I am in favor of an id system. If the US has a BSE cow show up in the US and there has been no traceability, it would devastate the cattle producer in that the markets could hit botton. As a consumer, I would also hope that the government would have the ability to trace where meat comes from.

  • clairegrace
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I think it will very likely never pass or if it does lack of funding, personel, and trying to keep track of everything will kill it. Who is going to go out and tag and track the millions of broiler chickens who live 8 weeks? Or the hundreds of cattle on free range out West? Or the 4000 cow dairys with animals going in and out and dying and being born? I can't even begin to fathom the logistics. Heck, look how slowly and inefficiently other gov. offices run! We can't even keep out or keep track of illegal aliens- how are you going to track down every chicken in 50 states?

  • thejimmie
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    clairegrace, that`s my point exactly. if you can`t do it you will be forced out of the business creating a void where the corporate factory farms can and will fill. these people know how difficult it will be, and that`s what they are counting on. when you say " i can`t do this, it`s too much, i`m getting out", they will say "good: another one gone". and as far as the bureaucracy; yeah, you bet. but they would love to have all of us work for them anyway, so they would killing two birds with one stone.creeping socialism!

  • sharon_sd
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    People already keep track of their animals. I do it for productivity reasons. I can tell you the parentage, birth, death or sales information on every sheep and lamb that has been on our farm in the past 25 years. I know when a ewe who as had multiples for a few years suddenly doesn't lamb or has a single, or when the lambs grow poorly. It may be time to get rid of her. I know which ram lines have daughters with good productivity.

    I also know which animals have been eliminated to remove disease from our flock.

    I know which ewes and rams are good producers and which aren't. In the past 10 years we have only brought one ram onto the our farm. This is to stop disease transmission. The ram we just bought was from a farmer whom we have known for many years and who is even more picky than we are about health issues.

    Dairy producers who don't keep scrupulous records would soon be out of business. The cattle producers that I know buy from known sources with good records.

    Good records are a matter of good business. Even if your farm is a hobby, timely record keeping will mean that your hobby loses you less money that it would otherwise.

  • NebrJewel
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Very well said Sharon. Curious, do you use any kind of computer program? When you buy your rams, are you now watching for Scrapie DNA testing?

  • sharon_sd
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I use EweByte.

    I was the main programmer/designer of this software developed jointly by the University of Guelph and the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture. It is now used internationally. All the profits go back into improving the program or supporting sheep research.

    The only ram we have bought in the past 10 years was genotyped for scrapie.

    Here is a link that might be useful: EweByte

  • shellybabe
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I was wondering how this would affect some small farms like I have. I don't buy or sell any goats, just raise them for meat and milk. They never leave here, except for feed, mine is pretty well self contained.
    Is there going to be a number limit, like if you have ten or more of any animal, or if you even have one.
    I think the whole idea is pretty petty.

  • brendasue
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Forwarded from another list. Mary is with Farm for Life in NY & assists small farmers producing their own food. It is long but please read through:

    MARY-LOUISE ZANONI
    P.O. Box 501
    Canton, New York 13617
    315-386-3199

    Docket No. 05-015-1
    Regulatory Analysis and Development
    PPD
    APHIS
    Station 3C71
    4700 River Road, Unit 118
    Riverdale, MD 20737-1238


    Re: Agency Docket Number: 05-015-1

    Docket ID: APHIS-2005-0044

    Comments on NAIS "Draft Program Standards" and "Draft Strategic Plan"

    June 29, 2005

    Introduction

    I practice law in St. Lawrence County, a leading dairy-producing region of
    New York State. I am also the Executive Director of Farm for Life, a
    nonprofit group supporting small-scale and sustainable farmers, and
    citizens who raise livestock and crops for their own food. (We refer to
    this last category as "home farmers.")

    I have carefully examined the Draft Program Standards (Standards) and Draft
    Strategic Plan (Plan) issued by the USDA (the Department) on April 25,
    2005, in furtherance of the Department's proposed National Animal
    Identification System (NAIS). Many aspects of the Standards and Plan appear
    to create insurmountable legal, fiscal, and logistical problems. The
    comments below address five categories of problems: (1) constitutional
    infirmities of the proposed program; (2) an enormous economic cost to
    animal owners, the States, the Department, and, ultimately, to American
    taxpayers and consumers for a program likely to be ineffectual; (3)
    weaknesses in the stated rationales for the program; (4) a lack of
    consideration of alternative, far cheaper and more easily administered
    measures which would more effectively protect animal health and food
    security; and (5) a lack of notice and an opportunity to be heard for
    medium-scale, small-scale, and home farmers, and for other citizens owning
    livestock solely for their own use or pleasure, in the Department's process
    thus far.

    1. The Standards and Plan Violate Many Provisions of the Constitution.

    First Amendment Violations. Many Christians (as well as persons of other
    religious beliefs) cannot comply with the Department's proposed program
    because it violates their First Amendment right to free exercise. For
    example, the Old Order Amish believe they are prohibited from registering
    their farms or animals in the proposed program due to, inter alia,
    Scriptural prohibitions. The way of life of these devout Christians
    requires them to use horses for transportation, support themselves by
    simple methods of dairy farming (most ship milk to cheese producers, since
    their faith prohibits the use of the technologies required for modern fluid
    milk production), and raise animals for the family's own food. The proposed
    NAIS would place the Amish and other people of faith in an untenable
    position of violating one or another requirement of their most important
    beliefs. Further, it is not unlikely that enactment of the NAIS as
    presently proposed would force the Amish and other devout people to seek
    migration to another nation. It would greatly injure the status of our
    country among the community of nations if the Department's actions were to
    result in the forced migration of such simple, devout, and peaceful people.

    Fourth Amendment Violations. The Department proposes surveillance of every
    property where even a single animal of any livestock species is kept; and
    to require, at a minimum, the radio-frequency identification tagging of
    every animal. (Standards, pp. 3-4, 6, 17-
    18.) Perhaps the Department had in mind as its model large commercial
    facilities where thousands, or in many cases tens of thousands, of animals
    are housed or processed. However, aside from large livestock businesses,
    there are also tens of millions of individual American citizens who own a
    pet horse, keep a half-dozen laying hens, or raise one steer, pig, or lamb
    for their own food. In these instances, the "premises" that the Department
    plans to subject to GPS satellite surveillance (Standards, p. 10) and
    distance radio-frequency reading (Standards, p. 27) are the homes of these
    tens of millions of citizens. The government is not permitted to use
    sense-enhancing technologies to invade the privacy of citizens' homes.
    Kyllo v. United States, 533 U.S. 27 (2001). The sanctity of the home is
    entitled to privacy protection in circumstances where an industrial complex
    is not. See Dow Chemical v. United States, 476 U.S. 227, 238 (1986).
    Therefore, the Department should abandon its present proposals, insofar as
    they entail enormously intrusive surveillance against unsuspecting innocent
    citizens who have done nothing more than to own an animal (a common form of
    personal property under the American system of law).


    Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment Violations. The proposed NAIS is the first
    attempt by the federal government at forced registration in a huge,
    permanent federal database of individual citizens' real property (the homes
    and farms where animals are kept) and personal property (the animals
    themselves). (Standards, pp. 8-13; Plan, pp. 8, 12-13.) Indeed, the only
    general systems of permanent registration of personal property in the
    United States are systems administered by the individual states for two
    items that are highly dangerous if misused: motor vehicles and guns. It is
    difficult to imagine any acceptable basis for the Department to subject the
    owner of a chicken to more intrusive surveillance than the owner of a gun.
    For example, whereas the owner of a long gun generally can take the gun and
    go hunting beyond the confines of his or her own property without notifying
    the government, the Department proposes that the chicken owner, under pain
    of unspecified "enforcement," must report within 24 hours any instance of a
    chicken leaving or returning to the registered property. (Standards, pp.
    13, 18-19, 21; Plan, p. 17.)

    Even more important than the trammeling of basic property rights under the
    program is the insult to fundamental human rights which must remain free
    from government interference. See Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 565
    (2003). These fundamental human rights include decisions about nutrition
    and bodily integrity. Cruzan v. Director, Missouri Dept. of Health, 497
    U.S. 261 (1990); Rochin v. California, 342 U.S. 165 (1952). Surely it is
    overreaching for the Department to propose, as it has, the constant
    surveillance of one's home and animals when the citizen is only attempting
    to raise food for the household or for a limited local area, and there is
    no intention of distributing the food on a wider scale.


    The foregoing numerous constitutional infirmities are bound to enmesh the
    Department and state governments in extremely costly litigation for years
    to come. Therefore, please reconsider the Department's plans to institute a
    program so at odds with fundamental American values.

    2. Practical and Cost Impediments to Enforcement.

    As discussed more fully below (see no. 5, Lack of Notice), most owners of a
    small number of livestock are not even aware of the USDA's proposals at
    present (see, e.g., "Helping to Head Off A Livestock I.D. Crisis,"
    Lancaster Farming, May 28, 2005, p. A38, discussing difficulties of
    informing all farmers of the NAIS requirements). The Department does not
    plan to issue "alerts" to inform livestock owners of the requirements until
    April 2007, only eight months prior to the date when it will be mandatory
    to submit the GPS coordinates of one's home and the RFID of one's animal to
    the USDA database. The final rule governing mandatory home and animal
    surveillance will not be published until "fall 2007" (Plan, p. 10), leaving
    only a couple of months, at best, for notification and compliance before
    January 2008. The citizens apt to own small numbers of livestock are rural
    dwellers who have chosen their way of life partly as a means of escaping
    excessive corporate and government bureaucracy. These factors suggest the
    likelihood of a noncompliance problem of heroic proportions. In addition,
    the proposals call for an animal owner to report, within 24 hours, any
    missing animal, any missing tag, the sale of an animal, the death of an
    animal, the slaughter of an animal, the purchase of an animal, the movement
    of an animal off the farm or homestead, the movement of an animal onto the
    farm or homestead. (Standards, pp. 13, 18-19, 21.) The Department plans to
    demand the following actions by all animal owners according to the stated
    timeline: "January 2008: All premises registered with enforcement
    (regardless of livestock movements). . . . January 2008: Animal
    identification required with enforcement. . . . January 2009: Enforcement
    for the reporting of animal movements." (Plan, p. 17; emphasis added.)
    Moreover, the NAIS will "prohibit any person" from removing an I.D. device,
    causing the removal of an I.D. device, applying a second I.D. device,
    altering an I.D. device to change its number, altering an I.D. device to
    make its number unreadable, selling or providing an unauthorized I.D.
    device, and "manufacturing, selling, or providing an identification device
    that so closely resembles an approved device that it is likely to be
    mistaken for official identification." (Standards, p. 7.)


    Thousands of enforcement agents would have to be employed to find the
    potentially tens of millions of unregistered premises and violations of the
    animal identification and animal tracking requirements. Indeed, beyond the
    expense, the spectre of these government agents entering onto citizens'
    property to find possible unregistered homes and animals brings to mind the
    actions of a frightening police state, not the actions of a government
    agency whose mission should be to assist rural people, not to hunt them
    down.


    The proposed NAIS makes clear that animal owners will have to pay the costs
    of registration and surveillance of their homes, farms, and livestock.
    ("[T]here will be costs to producers," Plan, p. 11; "private funding will
    be required. . . . Producers will identify their animals and provide
    necessary records to the databases. . . . All groups will need to provide
    labor . . .", Plan, p. 14.) In fact, the financial and labor requirements
    for animal owners would be huge. Livestock owners, even the owner of one
    pet horse who takes rides off the property, would have to invest in RFID
    reading devices and software to report information. The Standards and Plan
    do not enlighten us about the amount of these costs. Many rural people do
    not have (and do not want) computers at home and even those who have them
    often cannot get high-speed connections. Even if some system of written or
    manual reporting were allowed as an alternative, this would only greatly
    increase the labor required for citizens who elected it. Indeed, with or
    without access to technology, the labor requirement would be huge.


    Consider a small-to-moderate size dairy, milking 160 head. A total of about
    150 cattle (75 bull calves, 50 cull cows, and 25 excess heifers) would
    leave such a farm each year. The farmer would be required to report each
    tagging of an animal and each event of an animal shipped off the farm (300
    reportable events). Plus let's assume that the farmer has 50 growing
    heifers outside during pasture season, and, as heifers are prone to do,
    they breach the fence and go off into the neighbor's fields twice during
    the season, and the farmer has to herd them back. This results in an
    additional 250 reportable events 50 instances of heifers having to be
    tagged (strictly speaking, the rules would require tagging before they
    leave the farm -- Plan, p. 8 -- one hopes the enforcement agents might
    overlook the technical violation of the farmer perhaps not being able to
    tag them until they are herded back), plus 100 instances of individual
    heifers leaving the farm, and 100 instances of individual heifers returning
    to the farm. The farmer now has at least 550 total reportable events, or an
    average of over 1.5 times per day, 365 days per year, that the farmer must
    interrupt his or her other work and submit data on premises identification,
    animal identification, and an event code to the USDA's database. Further,
    the animals shipped from this farm would generate at least an additional
    600 reportable events per year for other stakeholders (i.e., 75 bull calves
    into and out of the auction house, then onto a veal farm, off the veal
    farm, and to a slaughter facility (375 events); 50 cull cows into and out
    of the auction house, then to a slaughter facility (150 events); and 25
    heifers into and out of the auction house, then onto new farms (75 events).
    Thus, only one modest-sized farm would generate well over a thousand events
    per year requiring recordkeeping and reporting.


    Indeed, the only economic advantage of the NAIS is an advantage to the
    corporations that manufacture high-tech tags, ID equipment, and the vast
    amount of hardware and software required for the system. This "advantage"
    is totally outweighed by the economic costs to both large and small
    segments of the livestock industry and the social and civil-rights costs to
    small producers, home farmers, and non-farming animal owners. The
    Department's mission should be to protect and foster agriculture, not to
    protect and foster manufacturers of tagging and computing equipment.


    3. Infirmities in Supposed Justifications.

    The primary justifications given by the Department for the NAIS are animal
    health issues, specifically, foot-and-mouth disease (FMD) and bovine
    spongiform encephalopathy (BSE). (Plan, p. 1.)


    There has been no FMD in the United States for over 70 years and the
    possibility of its reintroduction is speculative. Of course, FMD is a viral
    disease exclusively of cloven-hoofed animals and does not infect humans.
    Moreover, FMD is primarily an economic disease. Animals may become
    temporarily lame or refuse to eat because of the lesions caused by the
    virus, but nearly all animals recover within a few weeks. Thus, the primary
    effects are a setback in weight gain for animals produced for meat, reduced
    lactation in dairy animals, and restrictions on exports for countries where
    FMD is present. NAIS proponents need to carefully consider whether a
    disease of no risk to humans, not present in the United States, and only of
    temporary effect to animals, can possibly justify a gravely flawed system
    such as the proposed NAIS.


    There have been only two known cases of BSE in the United States. There
    have been no cases of humans contracting, while within the United States,
    the related condition of variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. The Department
    has put into place all necessary safeguards and assures that the American
    beef supply is safe and that transmission of BSE prions to humans cannot
    now occur in the United States. After the banning of meat and bone meal
    from ruminant feeds in 1997, any possible instances of BSE would now occur
    only in relatively old cattle. Obviously, the number of such cattle
    diminishes yearly and even assuming the longest potential lifespan of
    cattle, any slight possibility of BSE in the U.S. cattle herd will
    disappear in about 12 to 15 years. Thus, BSE is a very low-incidence,
    self-limiting, rapidly disappearing disease in the United States. BSE has
    not resulted in transmission of a single case of human disease in the
    United States. BSE is, rather than a health threat, primarily an economic
    problem affecting exports and imports of cattle and beef. It is apparent
    that the Department's position that sufficient controls are in place is
    correct. Thus, as with FMD, BSE cannot justify the creation of a huge,
    permanent, expensive, and intrusive NAIS.


    A further asserted justification is the risk of "an intentional
    introduction of an animal disease." (Plan, p. 7.) Far from preventing
    deliberate interference with the livestock industry or food supply, the
    proposed plan creates numerous new opportunities for mayhem. The
    Department's own proposals suggest that the counterfeiting and theft of
    tags will quickly become a problem. (Standards, p. 7.) Application of
    counterfeit tags could easily mask the introduction of a sick animal into a
    facility containing thousands or tens of thousands of other animals.
    Consider also the scenario in which someone brings a sick animal to a
    slaughter facility and falsely reports its farm of origin as a large
    operation with tens of thousands of animals in production. The resulting
    baseless scare has the potential to create a huge disruption of food
    supplies and the profitability of animal agriculture, regardless of whether
    the hoax might ultimately be discovered.


    4. Lack of Consideration of Alternate Methods.

    As discussed above, the NAIS is a violation of civil rights, extremely
    expensive and burdensome, likely to be ineffective, and not justified by
    human health, animal health, or food safety considerations. Given these
    numerous and probably insurmountable flaws, the Department should carefully
    consider alternative methods that would be much more successful in
    accomplishing the stated objectives.

    The security of America's food supply and the resilience of livestock in
    the face of diseases are best served by the decentralization and dispersal
    of food production and processing, and of the breeding and maintaining of
    livestock. If more citizens could depend on food raised and processed
    within, say, 100 miles of their homes, the danger of large-scale
    disruptions would be minimized, the costs of transport would be less
    affected by volatile fuel prices, and any food-borne diseases that might
    occur would be contained by the natural geographic limits of the system.
    Similarly, if animals, such as cattle, for example, are kept in small herds
    of, say, ten to a hundred animals, infectious diseases will have much more
    difficulty in spreading beyond a discrete geographical area. In this
    regard, the NAIS would actually be counterproductive, since it would tend
    to drive more small producers and small processors out of business. Thus,
    the Department should consider an approach and programs to support and
    promote smaller, local herds and local food processing.

    Smaller herds would also entail the possibility of many more closed herds
    than our agricultural model supports at present. Especially in dairy
    operations, where artificial insemination is the norm, only modest
    government incentives would be necessary to encourage small and medium
    sized producers to maintain closed herds. In the case of beef cattle, and
    of other species not commonly using AI, a state-
    level program requiring vet checks and recordkeeping for new animals
    introduced to herds would be obviously far simpler, as well as more
    effective, than the proposed NAIS.

    Another contribution the Department could make to food safety and animal
    health at low cost would be the encouragement of integrated
    producer/processor operations. Despite economic and marketing forces that
    are stacked against them, many small producers throughout the United States
    still process and market their own dairy products, or raise meat that is
    processed on site or at small local slaughterhouses and distributed
    directly to consumers or to local retail outlets. Consumers love not only
    the high quality of such products, but also the assurance that comes from
    actually knowing the farmers who, for example, finish their steers on grass
    and have the butchering done at a local small business. Very modest
    programs of financial incentives and encouragements to the streamlining of
    federal and state permitting procedures would help this hopeful segment of
    our nation's agriculture to flourish.


    Many recent developments in the agricultural sciences have demonstrated
    time and again that the least-cost and least intrusive method is the most
    effective and protective of health. For example, leading-edge research now
    rejects the routine deworming of all cattle and sheep, in favor of
    eliminating parasite-susceptible individuals as breeding stock. The
    once-heralded approach of routine deworming, it turns out, only resulted in
    resistant super-parasites and perpetuation in the gene pool of animal
    families naturally subject to the largest infestations. Similarly, in
    recent years our thinking has done an about-face on the subject of routine
    use of antibiotics in the feed of beef steers and dairy heifers, and in
    udder infusions for dry dairy cows who exhibit no clinical mastitis. Once
    heralded as a means of increasing weight gain and providing extra insurance
    against fresh-cow mastitis, those routine uses of antibiotics in healthy
    animals are now rejected because they are known to produce resistant
    super-bacteria that may cause not only animal infections, but human
    infections. Unfortunately, it takes years for knowledge gained in the
    latest research to reach the farmer, and the inappropriate overuse of
    anthelmintics and antibiotics is still very common. Thus, another low-
    cost and simple initiative the Department could undertake would be an
    intensive educational initiative to end the inappropriate use of drugs in
    animal agriculture.

    The foregoing are just a few of the many possible more effective
    animal-health and food-safety initiatives to which the Department could
    devote its finite resources. It is appropriate for the Department to study
    fully these alternatives before concluding that a bloated NAIS bureaucracy
    is our only alternative.

    5. Lack of Notice and an Opportunity to be Heard for Small Farmers and
    Animal Owners.

    The original impetus for a nationwide animal I.D. program came from a
    private membership group, the National Institute for Animal Agriculture
    (NIAA). (Plan, pp. 1, 4.) The members of the NIAA include such well-known
    industry entities as Cargill Meat Solutions, Monsanto Company,
    Schering-Plough, and the National Pork Producers Council. Further, of those
    NIAA members listed as "National Associations and Commercial
    Organizations," nearly 25% appear to be manufacturers and marketers of
    identification technology systems. (animalagriculture.org/aboutNIAA/members/

    memberdirectory.asp). In April 2002, the NIAA "initiated meetings that led
    to the development of" the NAIS. (Plan, p. 1.) The NIAA "established a task
    force to provide leadership in creating an animal identification plan."
    (Plan, p. 4.) The NIAA already had been promoting animal I.D. for months
    before the Department, through APHIS, became involved in the effort.
    Moreover, the Department says that "[t]he development of [the Draft Program
    Standards] was facilitated by significant industry feedback." (Standards,
    p. 1.) Essentially, a private group has dominated animal I.D. thinking and
    has dictated the NAIS plan now being proposed by the Department.


    Moreover, the Department asserts a "broad support for NAIS" (Plan, p. 1)
    when there is no such support. The Department says that it conducted
    "listening sessions" for six months (June-November 2004) on NAIS. However,
    only 60 comments were apparently made during these six months of sessions.
    If the Department had made a truly widespread attempt to determine
    citizens' views on animal I.D., surely it would have received far more than
    60 comments on an issue that affects tens of millions of Americans.

    The Department relies upon the NIAA's survey of itself as supposed evidence
    of public support. (Plan, p. 7.) The Department quotes responses from the
    survey and cites animalagriculture.org/survey/NAIS.htm as its source. (Id.)
    However, when one visits that page, one finds a statement by the NIAA that
    the survey is not scientific, that the survey's results are intended for
    use by NIAA members only, and that any reproduction of the survey is
    prohibited. Thus, the Department is presenting as "evidence" a private,
    unscientific report that the public is forbidden to quote in opposition. To
    correct this gross violation of normal agency procedure, the Department
    must immediately publish this entire NIAA survey in the docket and issue a
    press release specifying that the public is permitted to use the survey
    freely in studying the relationship of the NIAA to the genesis of the NAIS.
    This is not only a spurious example of "public support" but an
    affirmatively misleading rationale for a mandatory NAIS. It tells us
    nothing about truly public support to say that the NIAA, an organization of
    the largest livestock businesses and manufacturers of identification
    equipment, considers mandatory I.D. to be good for its own private
    interests.

    One further troubling instance of the failure to consider the needs of the
    larger public deserves mention. The NIAA lists as public institutional
    members some state departments of agriculture and animal health
    commissions. These include representatives of several states with
    significant populations of members of plain faiths, e.g., Pennsylvania, New
    York, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, Missouri, Iowa. Yet it appears no
    consideration whatsoever was given to the fact that the NAIS as proposed
    would violate the right of these citizens to practice their religion
    without government hindrance. Thus, the NAIS is not the result of any true
    consensus or concern for the welfare of the citizenry as a whole. Rather,
    the NAIS is the predictable result of allowing a small coterie of
    financially-
    interested "stakeholders" to create the agenda for animal identification.


    Conclusion

    The NAIS proposals as embodied in the Standards and Plan are unworkable
    because of economic costs, the huge burdens of reporting, and enormous and
    needless complexity. Their justifications based on animal diseases and food
    safety would not be served but in fact would be harmed by the NAIS. The
    Department has failed to consider numerous alternative methods that might
    actually further animal health and food security without the vast problems
    of the proposed NAIS. The Department has limited any input on the NAIS
    chiefly to a small group of parties with a preexisting bias toward
    mandatory animal ID; the Department did not make its plans known to small
    farming interest groups and did not seek any input from such groups. Last,
    and first, the most fatal flaw of the proposed NAIS is its disregard for
    fundamental human rights enshrined in our Constitution: the right to
    religious freedom, the right of property ownership, the right of privacy.


    Not since Prohibition has any government agency attempted to enshrine in
    law a system which so thoroughly stigmatizes and burdens common, everyday
    behavior and is so certain to meet with huge resistance from the citizens
    it unjustly targets. Therefore, the Department should: (1) withdraw the
    present Standards and Plan as failing to embody a fair or workable system;
    (2) reconsider whether, particularly in light of the present effective
    measures against BSE, any animal I.D. scheme is warranted at present; (3)
    consider implementing the low cost and easily undertaken measures that
    would more effectively protect animal health, human health, and the food
    supply; (4) review its procedures for development of programs such as NAIS
    to correct the limitation of input to self-selected groups and the failure
    to notify the vast majority of affected parties; and (5) institute
    procedures to assure that, in the future, proposed programs will not be
    permitted to threaten the constitutional rights of citizens.

    Very truly yours,

    Mary-Louise Zanoni

  • ginastjoe
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Hi. I have read through all of the comments here on the subject of NAIS and I thought I would add a bit more. First, it does not matter whether the livestock animal is meant for the food supply or not, it will have to be ID'd. Second, many states have already began their version of NAIS after being lured by fed. grants totaling 14.3 million. Wisconsin is one example. Indiana (my state)will require 'premise' registration by Sept. 2006. Many more are going to follow. I am going to leave some helpful links below and one of them will be to the USDA website. There you will find a box to check your own state or tribe. I am also leaving you a link to a 'real-life' experience of a hobby farmer who has been living with a type of NAIS in her state. It is really scary.

    Time is running out to stop this thing. We all need to understand that it is going to happen and it already is happening. Please sign the petition against it.

    Another inportant hting to note here is that the only ones who have to reg. their premises and each individual animal are small or home farmers. Big industry farms only will register their facilities (address and GPS units) and not their homes like the rest of us. Also, they can register their livestock as a 'herd', whereas each individual animal on our small farms will need its own number. The 'law' is not fair anyway you look at it.

    Of course, this is no surprise considering it is big industry farms and animal ID businesses that are supporting, drafting, and funding this in collaboration with USDA. Check out the strategic draft plan on the USDA link.

    Please spread the word about NAIS and help us stop it before our way of life, rights & privacy are gone! Thanks!

    http://www.homeschoolblogger.com/SDBookMom/

    'Real-life' experience under law. Check out her link to Homesteading Today for an excellent letter written by a lawyer and executive director for Farming for Life.

    http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/newsroom/news_2005-6-21.shtml

    One of several 'news' items on USDA site

    http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/index.shtml

    NAIS home

    http://www.in.gov/boah/new/IDruleSummary.htm

    Indianas version-comment at end of summery.

    www.stopanimalid.org

    More info here

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/369063795

    The petition to sign against it; I dont have a lot of faith in petitions, but perhaps to will help a little.

  • fancifowl
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    It seems reasonable that the very large producers, especially fowl, will not tag individuals but be tagged as a herd/flock as that is how they move. The smaller producer/exhibitor is prone to move individuals.
    It also seems prudent to have some kind of system to stem animal disease? This system in present form is not a fair nor viable way of doing much more than create headaches, for all concerned. I think it would be better to not totally reject/attack the NAIS, or at least the underlying principles,but try to come up with a more fair and legitimate means of helping to stem proliferation of diseases which many times is due to poor animal husbandry. My animals are valuable, I'd like to be aware of a herd/flock several miles away which may have a deleterious effect on my investments. I really think this fight is going in the wrong direction. We need to work with oficials to protect our ways of life and our national herd/flock and the animal industry. We are individuals but we do have a national interest.

  • brendasue
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Google search Americans_Against_NAIS. The Y group is growing.

  • giventake
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    As a outsider listening in, my first question would be.Did the goverment tag all it's animals? lol and they have us to support the expense to do it.....
    Unfortuately someone will be prosicuated to the fullest extend of the law to set an example for the rest....and then the law will fall into the other 13 million on the books that are NOT enforced, but still on reccord, to be dug up by some tin horn overpaid lawyer....Wake up Amercia !!!!

  • pubwvj
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I have been tracking the animal tagging issue on http://NoNAIS.org

    Print this to pass out: http://nonais.org/sampleflyers/NoNAISHandout.pdf

    Print this to hang up: http://NoNAIS.org/sampleflyers/NoNAISPoster.pdf

    -Walter
    Sugar Mtn Farm

  • shellybabe
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I have signed the petition against the ID thing, and also found out the the US isnt' the only place doing this. Darry Brownfield was saying that it is also happening in Australia, somewhere in Asia, and Europe too.
    He also said that the government has had meetings to see if farmers are against it, and nobody stood up against it. HOWEVER, the meeting was not anounced, and it was during such an awkward time that only like ten people were there, and they were all government!!
    The cattle/beef association helped to get a plan in place to help control disease, but didn't think it would do this.
    Also the USDA has enough official power that they can do what ever the h*** they want to. So they think. All they have to do is put it across that they are "protecting the food source for the American people" and everyone who doesn't have any animals will flock to support it.
    We really need to spread the information to those around us that this may not have reached, and increase the stand against it.
    My pastor is a farmer and has many animals, he knew nothing of this new law, Once I told him of it, he got on the phone to everyone in our church and neighbors around, telling them to sign the petition and take a stand.

  • dannyboquet
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I have to agree with giventake. The government beauracracy can pass these unenforceable laws to pull out and selectively prosecute people whenever they need a reason.

    Look at the IRS. No trial by jury. Guilty until proven innocent. They can confiscate your property without a trial.

    Another example is the EPA. Laws written by someone not in congress and not subject to debate or approval by congress.

    Look at the SSA, originally voluntary. Now mandatory and you could go to jail if you decide you don't want to participate.

    There are many other ugly examples where our federal government is growing and violating the constitution. This is a wonderful country and we need to let our voices be heard by our representatives.

    By the time tainted meat is found, it is usually already mixed and in stores. I'm not sure any problems we have had yet would have been helped by this system. If I am not mistaken, the problems have usually been from the processing plants.

  • suenh
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    It's such an Orwellian thing that most people here can't believe it.

    Scream folks! Scream loud and direct those screams!

  • lyam
    18 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    They were talking about this on Coast to Coast am last night 03.15.06. I'm listening to the replay right now. If you can get ahold of a copy of this show you should check it out.

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