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Help me design an apple multi-variety, please

Posted by marknmt 5b (My Page) on
Wed, Feb 22, 12 at 11:50

I'm so frustrated trying to manage my Liberty "Frankentree" that I'm tempted to start from scratch.

I'm contemplating getting a whip of the appropriate rootstock/cultivar combination for the bottom rung, topping it at about 36", grafting a second cultivar there, going up about 18" and repeating with a third variety for another 18" and one more time for a fourth variety.

I'm also thinking that each "layer" could be host to one or two other varieties- that way I could indulge my whims when tempted by one must-have variety or another.

I believe Konrad and others have discussed this approach and I'd appreciate input.

Thanks much,

Mark


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RE: Help me design an apple multi-variety, please

I hate hearing about how bad Liberty is. I planted 3 and the apples I've gotten so far have been good. Am I going to regret having 3? I may have to learn grafting to change them over.


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RE: Help me design an apple multi-variety, please

  • Posted by glib 5.5 (My Page) on
    Wed, Feb 22, 12 at 13:52

It depends on the site. Here in SE MI it is mediocre, but there are others, at other sites, who get good apples. Surely this apple can use more sun than what we have here.


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RE: Help me design an apple multi-variety, please

John, I like Liberty as an apple but the tree itself has a difficult to control nature -or maybe it's just that I learned what little I know about pruning on my Liberty and I really messed it up!

But that's a question for another thread. Maybe you should start one on it- it's a good question.


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RE: Help me design an apple multi-variety, please

I'm the one who endorses multiple grafted trees one tier at a time in a central leader tree. The trick is to have most vigorous variety as the base tier. I usually only need two tiers here because of training above the browse line but for 3 you will be fine if the highest 2 are about equal in vigor to each other as long as they are both less vigorous than the first tier variety.

The upper tiers will still eventually require the cycling of branches, but at a much slower pace if they aren't too vigorous.

You may have to use a cleft graft with liberty to get started- the variety is not too generous with well placed water sprouts.


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RE: Help me design an apple multi-variety, please

It's a great technique for maintaining a well balanced tree.

Konrad recently noted his intention of placing later ripening varieties up higher to prevent early dropping fruit from damaging that below.

I would add that it can be tough to pick the top of a large tree(with a ladder) without clearing the fruit from the lower tiers first. It adds a complication in choosing varieties but is worth considering if you let the trees get that size.


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RE: Help me design an apple multi-variety, please

Yes, I'm very pleased with this technique,.. see link.

Here is a link that might be useful: question re: top-working this apple tree


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RE: Help me design an apple multi-variety, please

THANK YOU!!

This is very, very useful. It remains to be seen whether I will actually need to build this "fantasy tree" but now that I know it's doable I'd really like to. I just don't have the space, dern it all!

What I probably really, truly need to do is whack poor Mister Liberty back very severely and top-work every bit of it to all those varieties I lust after. But I find that kind of thing very hard to do. Need to get over it, I guess.

But I'm enjoying this idea so much I think I'll start a new thread about the details and see if I can garner a few more gems like the above- Thanks again to you all.

Mark


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RE: Help me design an apple multi-variety, please

I have a bearing Liberty that was mislabeled as Jonagold which I will work by grafting one branch over at a time where ever it gives me a decent water sprout to work with. I will butcher where there's no strategically placed WS and finish the job next year, hopefully.


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