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Posted by purovargas 10 (My Page) on Sun, Feb 12, 12 at 12:24
I need help, I have purchased two grape vines from a local nursery and I have no idea if the ones I have chosen were a good choice or not. I want to train one which is a Concord grape vine to grow on a 4 foot high fence that had a grape vine there that my mother planted years ago and never gave grapes and was just growing wild. It was killed this year by termites, they ate the whole trunk it crumbled in my hand when I grabbed it and they all poured out on my hand. The other is a Black Spanish vine and I want to put it on a trellis which I will build later on. The Black Spanish one has two shoots growing out of one pot and I want to know if I should let them grow together and let them go in two different directions or should I kill one of them? One of them has a pice that is damaged and I don't know what to do to these vines. I am sorry if I am not using the correct terminology as well. Please someone help me out.
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| Purovargas, Are you zone 10? Not sure where you are located and does help if you put your state or city by your name. If you are here in the south the Concord won't work as it will die to Pierces disease in a year or two. If you are out west I have no idea. If in the south try Nesbitt as it tastes identical to a concord. |
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| I'm in San Antonio, Texas. Sorry I forgot all about that. Why would my local nursery sell something that wouldn't work here? |
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| Purovargas, I don't know why nurseries do that. I know the big box stores do it out of ignorance or a disregard for their customers. A smaller local nursery should know better. Pierces takes a year or 3 to kill and just trying to save you the years of care and effort. Perhaps there is a new Pierces resistant Concord but I don't think so. |
RE: Help with Grape Vines
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| Nurseries and big box stores sell unsuitable plants all the time. Corporate headquarters makes the buying decisions, and get the same plants for every store, be they in New York or Texas or Oregon. That said, Black Spanish is a good choice for SA. Champanel is another quite suitable for Zone 8b, which is the climate you have. Check out the TexasA&M page on suitable fruits for Texas, which also has advice on pruning your grapes for maximum production: |
Here is a link that might be useful: Home Fruit Production Series
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| Unfortunately, big nurseries will stock whatever people will buy. If the plant dies because it isn't suited to the location, it usually means the owner didn't do their homework and figures they killed it through some fault of their own, so they'll go back and buy another and another until they assume they just aren't any good at it and give up. In the mean time, the nursery is making money on every one the person buys. |
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Yes, San Antonio is getting pretty far south for a Labrusca type grape. TV Muson Memorial Vineyard in Dension Texas has a lot of far better adapted vines and can probably direct you to a local nursery selling rooted vines.
I do not know if Pierces Disease reaches to San Antonio or not. Big Box stores are pretty useless. They hire young folks, and in general untrained folks for low wages and keep them afraid of their own shadow. Even if they did know how to help you they are afraid to say much. |
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| Oh, yes. We've got Pierce's Disease here in spades. I've got two Fredonia vines in the back yard that do OK with it. They're pretty ragged by the end of the summer but come back strong each spring. I've got two Pierce-resistant muscadines as well, but they're not really happy in our alkalai soil, even with liberal applications of sulphur. |
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- Posted by jolj 7b/8a-S.C.USA (My Page) on
Wed, Feb 15, 12 at 21:48
Concord goods well in Ga. even with Pierce's disease.
Isn't there a Concord that is Pierce's disease resistant?
Maybe not as well as Miss Blanc, Miss Blue, Mid South, but better then the former Concord.
I am new to wine grapes so I am not sure about a lot of what I been hearing.
I do know a vineyard in Ga. uses Concord Grapes in their Muscadine wine. |
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Again, I would go with a Native hybrid type from the TV Munson Memorial Vineyard in Denison Texas. Why not take advantage of the years' of breeding and testing done in your own State?
I am sure there are a few nurseries near Denison offering his introductions. I have one even in my collection grown from a Cutting. 
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RE: Help with Grape Vines
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| Well, I saw the concord and I like to eat concord grape jelly so I assumed the nursery would only have vines that do well here. It's Rainbow Gardens and I have bought multiple tree's and plants there and they all have done fine except for my monster Mission Olive tree that gets taller and bushier in size every year but still no flowers or fruit. I also just bought another HASS avocado tree at Wal-Mart and yeah they don't do well here but I'm still going to baby sit it and see if it can survive. |
RE: Help with Grape Vines
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| Well you have already decided then. |
RE: Help with Grape Vines
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I have what I think is grapes growing on the Concord Grape vine, Should I leave them or cut them off? |
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