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drowning squirrels humanely

Posted by lycheeluva 6/7 (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 12, 09 at 15:59

because i live in nyc, i cant shoot squirrels. right now i am traping them in haveahart cages but then i have to drive a couple of miles to release them- which is a pain in the neck.

has anyone tried drowning squirrels in a garbage can? how long does the squirrel suffer for before it dies or is unconscious. if the animal would suffer for more than 30 seconds, i wouldnt want to do it.


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Nothing is going to drown in 30 seconds. Probably more like 5 minutes.


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Lycheeluva, I have read and been told that drowning is actually (relatively) humane, on the grounds that the mammalian drowning reflex closes the airways and the choking one expects is stopped; asphyxiation will follow promptly. Only after death do the lungs fill with water. I've also been told that very cold water is faster, but I don't know why it should be. In either event unconsciousness should occur in less than half a minute, I would think, but who knows? Lots of people can hold their breath for at least a minute or two.

One friend puts the trapped squirrel in a small container and lays a chunk of dry ice in the container. The CO2 displaces free oxygen and they pass out quietly.

Another person takes the trapped squirrel into his closed garage and shoots it with an air gun. Very little noise escapes the garage.

I don't see why you couldn't give it a bonbon.

Good luck with a big problem,

Mark


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  • Posted by myk1 5 IL (My Page) on
    Fri, Jun 12, 09 at 16:42

There is no method of death that looks pretty except slow overdosing on some drugs where sleep comes quietly and death follows.
Even fast overdosing on the same drugs doesn't look good (if I ever have to have another dog put down they will be in extreme pain beforehand and it will be at a different vet).

Drowning is especially ugly.
But from what I understand the second water enters the lungs you're in la-la land. The convulsions that come after are after the fact brain responses to no oxygen.
Similar convulsions often happen when a bullet enters the brain and sometimes happens when the brain becomes disconnected from the body.

The fight to keep from taking water into the lungs would be the suffering. The amount of time would depend on how long they can hold their breath.
Ice water may send them into shock first and lessen the fight and response to no oxygen but it would prolong the actual death.

Other than slow drug ODs the best looking is paralysis until you notice they are still breathing and then notice the look in their eyes.


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More than 30 seconds but well less than 5 minutes. But does that really make any difference? Not to me, either you do it or you don't.

A friend who grows rats as a business kills them with CO2. They just pass out. No panic, no pain. Hard to do it more humanely than that.

The Fruitnut


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the co2 method sounds humane but unfortunately would not be an option for me. i dont have the equipment to do that.
i guess i will have to continue making nightly trips in my car with these annoying squirrels.


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You have a car - 1) Put trap inside large trash bag and make 2 inch hole in closed end. 2) attach bag with zip tie or duct tape to exhaust pipe 3) start car and let run for 5 min. (not too long or plastic will melt to pipe) 4) place dead tree rat in bag and put out with trash
MM


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I've seen things drown. It doesn't look too humane to me. WHacking it with a club would be more humane.


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Lycheluva, I have no squirrel problems here after feeding bon bons this winter. The squirrels shredded some whole peach and apricot trees last year. The last drey in the corner of my property fell down in late winter. Not surprisingly it was made of footies from my peaches. For maintenance, I have a garbage can filled with water and a lid. The first squirrel went in but those havahart doors are gravity locked so he bolted through. A spring clamp will take care of that next time. A large steaming compost pile will be the squirrels resting place.


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I drown the squirrels caught in live traps. I use a large plastic garbage can filled with water. I drop in the occupied cage and walk away. It takes only a few minutes.

It is much kinder than being killed by my dogs, taken by hawks, run over by a car, or starvation, when relocated and driven off by the local squirrel residents.

I do not recommend trying to hit them with anything. They move too frantically and a true killing blow would be very difficult. There is no reason to beat them to death as they try to escape.

I don't like them, but I don't want them to suffer much either.


Lisa


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  • Posted by olpea zone 6 KS (My Page) on
    Fri, Jun 12, 09 at 22:45

I'm not for animals suffering either. When I first started catching squirrels in my live trap, I was repulsed by the idea of drowning them. Like most folks, I've been held under water as a kid, and it wasn't a pleasant feeling.

So to destroy them I went through somewhat of an elaborate process. I would enclose the cage tightly with a trash bag. Then barely open the end of the bag and insert a can of engine starting fluid (ether). I would spray a generous amount of ether into the trash bag. After about three to five minutes the squirrel would become unconscious. Then I would toss the cage in a barrel of water.

It got to the point I was going through a lot of ether. So I started skipping the ether and dropping the cage in the water. I still don't feel good about it, but I timed how long the squirrel thrashes in the cage before it becomes unconscious. It takes about 50 seconds. I leave the cage in the water a few minutes just to make sure. I've caught about 40 squirrels since last fall. I'm expecting a visit from Willard and his friends any day now.


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lycheeluva,
I was trapping squirrels in a live trap for a while. Needless to say I kept hash marks on a piece of paper and had a few good meals. After 30 squirrels I quit, that was a few years ago. Now may neighborhood is getting a growing squirrel population again. Its time to make squirrel pot pie soon. If you don't want to eat them yourself take them into Chinatown. I've been to NYC and have seen the restaurant windows in Chinatown. There are lots of critters hanging there. Seriously, theres got to be a back alley squirrel buyer in Chinatown or at least someone who would gladly take them off of your hands for free. I've seen them sell live turtles for food, squirrels would be no problem. In my area the Hmong love squirrel. They hunt them regularly.

Good Luck,
Little John


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I have drowned raccoons (once) and squirrels. I would never drown a coon again and use a single pellet to the brain instead. Much quicker and more merciful than anything nature is likely to offer. Same for drowing squirrels- it is very quick, unlike for coons which appear to suffer greatly at that treatment. Squirrels are so high metabolism they seem to succumb almost immediately- within seconds.

Make sure your neigbhors don't see you kill anything, or you may end up in court in NYC. Animal rights activists are everywhere and I have heard of people getting into trouble for drowning rats.

Someone wrote a letter to a NY Times column called "The Ethicist" written by Randy Cohen, I think. The letter asked what the writer should do about a man who was very kind as a neighbor to her elderly mother but who drowned squirrels to protect fruit. Cohen instructed her that it was her ethical duty to report the man to the authorities!

I had an interesting on-line debate with him on that one, telling him by that thinking he should live with the rats that want to cohabitate his apartment. He would concede nothing.


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I have indeed heard that squirrel makes a tasty stew! Takes quite a few to make a meal tho.. well depending on size and diet, and then theres the skinning..and what to do with the offal .. yuk.


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Just came across this as I had some problem with squirrels and coons lately.

Here is a link that might be useful: Man drowns caged coon


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Drowning squirrels & racoons!? Seriously!? Yeah, I get squirrels that destroy things in our yard too. But, to resort to drowning or any killing of them is wrong! They are here for a reason & who are you to decide they shouldn't be!? If they're getting into your garden then take steps to keep them out! Every creature on this planet has a purpose! I suppose the next time someone becomes annoyed with you that we should drown you too!? And to answer the question of whether or not they suffer, YES THEY DO!! Drowning is one of the most painful, agonizing ways for anything to die! We already pollute the earth, use up natural resources, poison the water, etc... Is it really neccesary to kill a defenseless little animals that's just acting on instincts!? No!! Trap & relocate if you must.


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maybe a vet or humane society would sell you something that the squirrel can eat once you catch him, and that would euthanize him.


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"It is much kinder than being killed by my dogs, taken by hawks, run over by a car, or starvation, when relocated and driven off by the local squirrel residents."

No, it's really not. Drowning is a nice easy way for YOU, but being killed by a dog or run over by a car is way faster, and less painful. When a dog kills a squirrel, it's usually one quick shake and over. The animal is dead pretty much instantly.


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I use a live trap. I have drowned squirrels and rats in a garbage can after trapping. They die after 3-4 minutes. I leave them under about 6 minutes to be sure. If I do not trap them they take most of my produce. My killing them keeps the numbers at a level that I can live with.


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"No!! Trap & relocate if you must."

A trapped and relocated animal most often gets dropped into another of it's kind's territory. It will be attacked as an intruder, and driven into someone else's territory, where this will continue.

Most relocated squirrels are basically harassed to death.


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I was told that Trap and Relocate was illegal in some states, since it is illegal to transport wild animals.


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I've used the ether method which seems very humane but it takes a lot of ether. a .22 to the head is by far the quickest and most humane way to dispatch small varmits.

The "catch and release" requirement is ignorant in the extreme; little different from the cruel practice of abandoning pets but worse because you are releasing varmits on someone elses land.

If I lived where rats were catch and release I would release them in the offices of the individuals that made such stupid law.


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When working where it was used, I took cotton soaked in ether & put the small animal in a big coffee can with the soaked cotton, closed the lid & they fell asleep quickly & died later then w/o pain. Starting fluid has ether in it also but not sure if in amounts enough to quickly put them down. These were small animals/birds I found injured.


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I'll vote for a dead rodent. Sounds like many simple choices to achieve that goal.


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Just bought a Benjamin Marauder PCP .22 oh man pressurized up to 3000 psi.....makes almost no sound and at 40 yards puts 10 pellets in a dime size hole.....I almost feel sorry for the squirrels.

This post was edited by bamboo_rabbit on Mon, Apr 7, 14 at 18:06


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Humane and drowning, unfortunately, do not belong in the same sentence.

The most humane method of dispatching an animal involves gassing it with an inert, non-toxic gas such as helium, nitrogen or argon at 100% concentration (but NOT carbon dioxide, which is very traumatic to the animal, and not carbon monoxide either, which is far too dangerous to use). Contrary to popular belief, carbon dioxide is actually quite traumatic to an animal because it triggers the suffocation reflex. It is the presence of carbon dioxide in the blood, *not* the lack of oxygen, that triggers this reflex. Using nitrogen or helium as the suffocating agent ensures that the animal passes out without even knowing what's going on.

Among these, nitrogen is the cheapest and safest to use. If it's really important to you to dispatch a lot of rodents humanely, and you have some DIY skills, I would advise rigging up a rodent-sized gas chamber hooked up to a tank of pressurized nitrogen. Of course it's still more expensive than a bucket of water, so you have to make that decision.

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  • Posted by olpea zone 6 KS (My Page) on
    Mon, Apr 7, 14 at 17:58

Every now and then someone drags up one of these old squirrel threads.

It's been beat to death on this forum over the years. There must be a hundred threads on how to control squirrels.

Many times the threads get emotional. Generally serious fruit growers on one side, and folks who love to watch them on the other.

Below is a link which is perhaps a pinnacle of the battle.

Starting fluid does knock the animal out very quickly. Even without starting fluid squirrels drown in less than one minute because of their very high metabolism, as discussed on many other threads. I've never drowned a coon, but apparently they are able to sustain themselves much longer under water. Personally I wouldn't drown one.

There are always new people coming on the forum and older members leaving, so I suppose it's inevitable the subject is continually rehashed (about once per year).

One thing I should have mentioned. Please don't relocate your squirrels. It is not recommended by wildlife specialists and is indeed illegal in some states.

We are in a rural area and people from the city dump squirrels out here for me to deal with. I've never understood that thought. If they don't like the squirrels themselves, why are they dumping them on me?

Here is a link that might be useful: Bucket of Death Update

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olpea..... I would blame google... The amount of times Ive googled a plant, plant question or anything to do with gardening I see sometimes hundreds of garden web links from as far back as 2004.

Also in regards to:

""We are in a rural area and people from the city dump squirrels out here for me to deal with. I've never understood that thought. If they don't like the squirrels themselves, why are they dumping them on me?"""

I dont see people releasing out of city bounds "dumping them on" you. Sure it might make the chance of them making it to your yard more likely (especially with all the nice fruit you have :D ), but its not like people are releasing them with the intention of having them wreak havoc on rural gardens. They do what they do best which is eat nuts and fruit and disperse the seeds away from the parent.

Re; drowing squirrels....

Ill keep it short. Squirrels go where the food is plain and simple. If you garden it just so happens that you have tons of food.

If you have to off animals at least do it with some conscience. IF you hunt, go for a kill shot not a trap. IF you feel the need to get rid of squirrels on your property I prefer live trap but if you choose to kill them at least make it as quick as possible. If you have seen a drowning animal you will think twice about drowing them, even squirrels.


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To relocate a squirrel less than 10 miles is useless. I released a squirrel 3 miles away and on the other side of a good size river and he was back the next morning. If the squirrel is a pest, drown it.


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How do you know it was the same squirrel? Did you mark or tag it? Maybe shave a strip of hair off?


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  • Posted by olpea zone 6 KS (My Page) on
    Mon, Apr 7, 14 at 20:56

" Sure it might make the chance of them making it to your yard more likely (especially with all the nice fruit you have :D ), but its not like people are releasing them with the intention of having them wreak havoc on rural gardens."

Canadian,

I suppose you are right, but it's the underlying attitude which is bothersome. You know, "not in my backyard, but I'll dump them in someone elses".

I know a guy who was talking to someone from the city. The guy from the city mentioned he released his squirrels out here. My friend responded, "Interesting, when I catch squirrels I release them in your neighborhood", which wasn't true, but I thought a humorous response.

My point is that when people dump squirrels/wildlife they don't think about how it will impact other people (or the animals themselves).

I know of some people about a mile away who had thousands of $ worth of damage to their attic from squirrels. There lots of large trees making a perfect habitat. People around there now hunt them vigorously.

If anyone would like to do more reading on this subject from past threads, below is a fairly comprehensive one from all points of view. This squirrel thread covers everything from global warming, to life philosophy. (150 posts)

Here is a link that might be useful: ****ing squirrels- gun advice needed

This post was edited by olpea on Mon, Apr 7, 14 at 21:17


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Chris,

You have your email on gardenweb set to private so I can't respond to you. Send another email and include your email address.


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Relocating a wild animal is worse than abandoning a pet? LOL Whatever.

Don B.


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We got advice from the USDA trapper once on how to get the rats with fancy tails under control. His solution was the bucket of death. Works like a charm.


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  • Posted by olpea zone 6 KS (My Page) on
    Tue, Apr 8, 14 at 0:02

Slimy Okra,

I'm interested in the Nitrogen idea. I wonder how much it takes to kill a squirrel?

This post was edited by olpea on Tue, Apr 8, 14 at 2:27


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The squirrel death trap is truly inspiring. I just sent the link out to several, less squeamish customers. It had been mentioned before but the photos are extremely helpful. I've got to get a new cell phone.


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I keep laughing at the title of this thread. How do you drown anything "humanely"? LOL. There's going to be great fear and panic no matter what the creature is. I'm not against killing squirrels or any animal that becomes highly invasive. Our home and orchards are our territory. We are simply protecting it from being over-run. It's not like any amount you get rid of will ever endanger them or put a dent in the overall population.

Now with that said, I've not had a genuine reason to kill any squirrels around my property and I hope to not have to start. I also haven't had a real harvest just yet so only time will tell.


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"How do you know it was the same squirrel? Did you mark or tag it? Maybe shave a strip of hair off?"

Years ago a neighbor trapped some squirrels and relocated them about 2 miles away. The bird feeder still was bothered to death by squirrels. He sprayed the tails of the next several with red paint, and it only took a day for them to show up again.


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I always relocate my squirrels.....from above ground to below ground. Have not had one come back yet.


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Bamboo

Ordered a Marauder .25. Will be taking delivery this weekend.

Mike


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Thread topic is an oxymoron.
How is drowning something humane?


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I've heard that leaving portions of peanut butter laced with Ex-Lax "relieves" the problem.

They learn quickly that they "run" a danger by eating the food at the particular location.

Mike


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That is an interesting idea.


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"I've heard that leaving portions of peanut butter laced with Ex-Lax "relieves" the problem. "

Oh good, squirrels with the runs jumping from tree to tree. This is hysterical. Mrs. G Can you hear me laughing?

This post was edited by MrsG47 on Tue, Apr 8, 14 at 18:23


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Pranksta, by humanely the idea is quick death without extended pain. However it is arguable that the squirrels speedy metabolism speeds its sense of time so it may actually suffer when drowning for as "long" as a racoon but I don't have to suffer watching it die as long and I can tell myself "well at least it was quick".

It is a lot quicker than starving which is the usual means of squirrel population crash.


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Mike,

You will love the Marauder. My .22 shoots best at max fill 3000psi...I know some sites state 2600 but apparently mine did not read that lol. Did you see Crossman has a new pump coming out for them.....called a butterfly pump, ingenious. Have not heard one bad thing about the .25.


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Bamboo

What do you know about the pump. I was not looking forward to hand pumping to 3000 psi.

I was thinking to research if old used scuba tanks could be used for storage.

What have you heard about the pump

Mike


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Olpea,
I'm not sure how much, but you'd need enough to completely evacuate all air/oxygen from the chamber and replace it with nitrogen, and hold it that way for about five minutes.


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"Pranksta, by humanely the idea is quick death without extended pain."

Seems like a projectile fired into the brain or a large enough projectile fired anywhere would be ideal for this purpose. Drowning sounds much worse. Even if it is possible it isn't suffering physically, the animal has got to be confused and suffering on some mental level until it gives its last breath.


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I really hate resuscitated zombies, but in this case I enjoyed a good laugh throughout the thread. Some guy live traps an animal and then lacks the cajones to get their hands dirty killing it. No responsibility. Just toss the cage in a garbage can with water and walk away to come back later to empty the cage.


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Pranksta, shooting squirrels out of the trap can be very time consuming (once they are wise) and when they are in a live trap I think the only projectile you can shoot without possibly damaging the trap is a pellet- I know my only other alternative is a small shotgun- maybe a 22 would be OK- never owned one.

When I've tried killing a squirrel in a trap with a pellet gun it seemed the brain must be very small because it took 3 shots for me to find it- same with possums and it's a gruesome business. Squirrels drown in a few seconds. I use the pellet for coons because one shot usually does the trick.


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IMO killing them will probably just bring in others that have no sense of propriety at all.

When we first moved to our present house, there was a small number of mature, self respecting squirrels living in our yard.

I foolishly planted a couple of walnut trees, a cherry tree, and a nectarine. I guess this made our property more attractive, and the next thing I knew we had a pushy younger crowd of squirrels that didn't even have the sense to wait until the walnuts ripened to knock them out of the trees.

IMO it is simpler to not feed them, convince the neighborns not to feed them, and sprinkle hot red pepper
anywhere you want them to leave alone.

I have noticed that the squirrels do a nice job of working the soil in the spring, and also prune off the tips of high branches in trees, making them into a better canopy.

They're pretty industrious, and are probably doing things for the planet that we were designed to do, but forgot about. They're fun to watch, too.

I suspect that at times they probably also eat insects.

I sometimes think they may be next in line to take over the planet if we don't shape up.


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"Bamboo
What do you know about the pump. I was not looking forward to hand pumping to 3000 psi.

I was thinking to research if old used scuba tanks could be used for storage.

What have you heard about the pump"

Pumping the rifle up from the 100psi or so it comes with to 3000psi was not exactly fun but once there and refilled every say 20 shots is 30 pumps maybe? No problem at all. Because you leave the rifle always pressurized it is ready to go. If I did a lot of target shooting I probably would want another option.

The scuba tanks will work but if they are out of date the scuba shop won't fill them. You can refill them yourself with a shoebox compressor which is like $800. You can also use nitrogen.....a 6500 psi nitrogen welding tank and regulator but it is pricey to fill. You can rent the tank.

The butter fly pump is supposed to be like $300 when it is released this summer. It uses mechanical advantage and is a 1 stage pump as opposed to the current hand pumps that are cheaper at $150 and are 3 stage pumps.


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dispatching trapped tree rats

The best way to dispatch a squirrel in a trap far as I am concerned is with .22 shot shells. you can keep the rifle or pistol back away from the cage a couple feet which keeps the rat from freaking out and the scatter shot does the job instantly without damage to the trap.


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I negotiated a deal with the squirrels to only take their fair share of my fruit. At first they kept their promise and life was good; I ate persimmons, peaches, tomatoes, cherries, strawberries and pears. Then they got greedy and broke their agreement, taking most of the fruit. I told my wife, "I'll show these squirrels who is boss here." She smirked! I bought a live trap and caught and relocated 13 squirrels in one year. The squirrels snitched on me and the local police told me it was unlawful to relocate squirrels even to a new beautiful woods. My wife smirked! I caught 7 more and drowned them in a garbage can; I smirked at the ones that got away. The squirrels obviously negotiated a deal with the crows and ground squirrels because they started taking more fruit. I bought a pellet rifle. I told my wife, "I'll show these squirrels who is the smarter!" My wife said, "That ship has sailed." What did she mean by that?


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Not boring at all, Charlie.


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I don't have much to add other than I want to help get this thread to 150 so it can join the other threads in "squirrel thread heaven".

My squirrel control method of choice is the Kania trap, it is a lethal trap that kills the animals in about five seconds.

Scott


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The most humane method of dispatching an animal involves gassing it with an inert, non-toxic gas such as helium, nitrogen or argon at 100% concentration (but NOT carbon dioxide, which is very traumatic to the animal, and not carbon monoxide either, which is far too dangerous to use). Contrary to popular belief, carbon dioxide is actually quite traumatic to an animal because it triggers the suffocation reflex. It is the presence of carbon dioxide in the blood, *not* the lack of oxygen, that triggers this reflex. Using nitrogen or helium as the suffocating agent ensures that the animal passes out without even knowing what's going on.
No. No! NO! That is entirely backwards!!! Read up on AVA's approved euthanasia methods. Cranial pithing (which a .22 to the head is doing), and CO2 are two approved methods for small rodents due to their quick and minimal suffering modality.

CO2 at high concentrations is an analgesic. Early in the 20th century it was used on humans as one of the first analgesics allowing for surgery. However, the therapeutic effect is pretty narrow, and death is too great of a risk.

Death by concentrated CO2 does not occur by suffocation! As an analgesic, it causes quick unconsciousness, and then brain activity ceases long before any O2 runs out.

I have euthanized many thousands of rodents with CO2 kill chambers (I used to breed numerous snakes, and raised my own rodents). Mice would be unconscious in less than 5 seconds. Rats were closer to 10 seconds. Both were very quick, and suffering was minimal.

There are probably more threads on reptile enthusiast forums about setting up a CO2 chamber than there likely is squirrel threads on gardening enthusiast forums, so I won’t bother describing it. But unless one has a tank on hand, or keeps dry ice at home, it’s not very practical for the occasional squirrel. Cranial pithing with a .22 or pellet is going to be the most humane method.

Then again, if I caught a squirrel (very few in UT fortunately), I’d save it for the snakes or the hawks (used to fly red-tails, dad still fly’s harris hawks) after rendering it safe (dazed or killed so it wouldn’t bite - they can really put the damage on a predator with those teeth).

Now, can anyone recommend humane ways to euthanize the once-cute-now-obnoxious deer in a moderate density residential area? I’ve been contemplating those tazers that shoot the darts and shock from a distance. I can get close, but not close enough for a direct contact unit.


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Goat milk sprayed in a perimeter around your property will keep the deer away! No, I'm just kidding but I've heard stranger methods of deterring animals than that. It's been a long several days for me so forgive my sillyness.


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LOL charlie...... I have a deal with the crows that as long as I feed them they get the squirrels....


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"Cranial pithing" is so much more humane than shooting their brains out.

I love your academic writing style, Charina- you make varmint killing sound ultra-civilized.


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I thought cranial pithing sounded like a great idea for deer too, you just need a suppressor! I think UT allows those? ;)

Of course a "bucket of death" the size of a septic tank would work too but may cause a stink! :)

Seriously, the only real option for deer is exclusion.


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Consider constructing what I call, "The Squirrel Gallows".

Items needed:

#110 conibear traps
2 foot lengths of string

Tie the string around the loop of the conibear spring. Tie the other end near to the affected area of the fruit tree. Set the trap but hold onto the trigger side to prevent discharge (ouch). Jam the trap between forked branches on squirrel travel routes such that trap function is not impeded. Make sure trigger is centered or just off to the side within the trap. O what a joy to find them hanging.


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Swamp, I've found that mine eventually become trap wary. Maybe your method prevents this. Still, for reduced effort the bucket of death seems the ideal solution if it works as advertised.


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The effort some people will put into taking an animals life never ceases to amaze me. The squirrels are simply trying to survive, no different than we are. Unlike those on this board that primarily grow food because it's fun, squirrels are trying to survive. You plant food that squirrels like and then complain when they come to eat it? If you must catch the squirrels, release them humanely, they have a right to live just as we do.

RM


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Riverman, do you even grow fruit? Do you have a garden that is threatened by vermin? Tell us about yourself and your relationship with growing food. Do you sacrifice your entire crop to whatever species needs to take it first?

I grow fruit because it is a FUNdamental activity of my relationship with nature- acquiring and eating essential food. I do nothing to squirrels they don't do to weaker animals, such as fledgling song birds, and if I don't grow my fruit I will buy it from folks that are taking away habitat from many wild creatures to do so and will kill any that get in their way.


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If you were really serious about being humane, you would not think of drowning them in the first place, end of story. There are ways to discourage them.

Christopher


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I would suggest that the solution to the squirrel problem is best addressed by employing a combination of techniques. Certainly the bucket of death is a low maintenance and easy method. There are many ways to deploy #110 conibear traps that will do the job. Also by having practiced with the pellet guns the most determined and brazen squirrels can be picked off. The truth is that vermin need to be destroyed for there to be any productivity. The bright ribbons and balloons and stinky sprays are all foolishness that make your property look and smell like there previously was a clown parade.


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RM, if they are smart enough they wont get caught or shot. Every other animal out there is trying to eat them and the best of them will survive regardless of our scheming. That is the way nature works. It is not our job to protect the dumbest individuals of the species. Animals are NOT people too.

Exclusion is the only real alternative to shooting deer, so I have a 8 wire electric fence around my orchard so I don't have to shoot every deer.
Exclusion is also my solution for rabbits. I use a small piece of chicken wire wrapped around each tree to keep the rabbits from killing every plant. If it wasn't for that I would have to shoot lots of rabbits, probably an impossible task.
There is no form of exclusion that works for mice, rats, voles, or rats with fancy tails (squirrels). I keep my orchard grass cut low so that hawks and owls can keep them under control. Most people don't have that option so they have to resort to other methods to thin the populations. The dumbest ones always get thinned first, it doesn't matter if a hawk does it or a person does it. Survival of the fittest, understand it.


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Riverman

Would you tolerate a rat living in your kitchen or in your car as you take a fun filled leisurely Sunday drive After all he has a "right" to live and is only trying to survive and only sharing the fun filled Sunday drive that you created.

Maybe we should also look into capturing and humanely releasing roaches.
A squirrel has no greater "rights" than a bacterium.

Mike


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Relocating wildlife is illegal in most places for a reason. Relocated animals spread disease. You cant move farm animals across most statelines for this same reason, they have to be inspected by a vet before being cleared. Wildlife biologist also have to get wild animals cleared before they relocate any animals.

Not to mention those animals you are relocating are going to be the first ones picked off by other predators as soon as you let them go. What purpose can it really serve to relocate your squirrels directly to another predators diner plate. The squirrel already had his chance to survive and he proved himself not worthy as soon as he fell for your trap. Why would it be our job to give every animal 2 chances instead of the 1 chance it would receive in nature?


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Google "relocated squirrel disease" to see all of the agencies that do not recommend relocation.

I wont link to it and it turns my stomach to say this, but........Even peta says

"Relocating squirrels��"even to wild or wooded areas��"is illegal in many places and will likely result in their death because they will have trouble finding adequate food, water, and shelter and won’t have a natural immunity to foreign parasites and diseases. Relocated squirrels are also killed in territorial maulings."

They didn't even mention that you can wipe out the population if you happen to bring a new disease into a previously clean population.

Either live with no fruit, or thin them some way (and keep thinning) so you can eat some of your own fruit.


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My parents [long divorced and having no contact with each other] have both coincidentally trapped and killed squirrels [unbeknownst to the other]. My father lived in a city suburb, and used to "pop" them, shooting the squirrels [and probably eating them, too]. My mother also lives in a busy city suburb area, and she too, traps squirrels but she drowns them. And here's what I have to say about it.

1. First step: admit that there is NO such thing as "drowning squirrels" HUMANELY

2. Given the choice to be put to sleep/poisoned, shot or DROWNED.....which would YOU choose? Pretty sure that drowning would be the LAST way anyone would want to go [which gets me back to point #1]....because...

STRUGGLING under water IN A CAGE WOULD NOT AND COULD NOT BE HUMANE....!!!

3. I do not begrudge anyone the right to be squirrel free but drowning them is medieval torture and I hope anyone doing that will be reported to the authorities and FINED

4. The only HUMANE way to get rid of these squirrels is to put them to sleep and//or make them unconscious -- that is if they cannot be safely relocated or handled by the town you live in.

5. As far as my parents are concerned, considering how these two people treated their children, and given they have both been tragically, emotionally inept -- it is not surprising to me that they employ utter cruelty to even more helpless creatures.....and

6. Anyone reading this who is currently shooting and drowning squirrels might want to consider what doing this says about your character or lack thereof, not because you should have to suffer with squirrels but because we all want to live in a gentler world where there are better options. STOP THIS CRUEL BEHAVIOR AND RECONSIDER YOUR TACTICS

To anyone else with a legitimate squirrel problem, deal with the problem like an adult, like a law abiding citizen, not a depraved hillbilly who shoots and drowns defensiveness animals because they're a nuisance [or an easy target] and/or because you're too cheap or ignorant to find a better way. Have a heart, even if you need to rid yourself of these creatures. DROWNING is not having a heart! PERIOD.


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  • Posted by Drew51 5b/6a SE MI (My Page) on
    Wed, Jul 23, 14 at 14:19

I always laugh that somehow we will overcome our own nature. That somehow being animals we will no longer behave as such, Now that is funny! They taste like chicken. Don't waste them!


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Honestly- if you can just drive the couple of miles like you were doing you would not have to worry about being humane. Seems like a short trip to keep your peace of mind.


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deal with the problem like an adult

Pardon me, Hll11, but please let us know exactly what types of fruit you grow and how accustomed you are to having the fruits of your labor, and I mean years of labor, stolen in a few minutes? Not to mention the labor it costs to actually purchase the trees/bushes/vines. This is our FOOD, not just a nice hobby.

You just registered here and I don't believe that gives you the right to judge us who have lost much. I am an animal lover to the nth degree. I have saved every creature I have come into contact with (including squirrels when I was 10 or 11), either by nursing it myself or turning it over to a qualified rescue. I have bred many types of animals and have always had pets, as well as farm animals.

I never in a million years could have imagined how I would react when my first apricots were stolen in front of me within the time I could run to the other side of the yard. When my sheep were killed by red foxes I was very sad and mad at first, but what else are they going to eat? Squirrels, on the other hand, have plenty to eat besides my fruit. They also, being tree dwellers, have no natural predators in the suburbs. Even the foxes and coyotes here in the suburbs are night hunters while the squirrels are safe in their dreys. I have been using a Kania trap, which kills instantly. This is the most humane way I can find myself to use. I would use a bb gun if I had one and knew how to shoot it. My neighbor traps live and shoots them in the cage. When I empty the trap I leave the carcass for a fox or coyote. I feel no guilt about this.

However, I will not judge what others find to be the most effective way to eliminate the problem. Limited time and money are often at the core of the technique used. Few of us earn 6 figures and do this for the fun of it.


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  • Posted by bob_z6 6b/7a SW CT (My Page) on
    Thu, Jul 24, 14 at 0:25

Jagchaser just gave me a great idea with "you can wipe out the population if you happen to bring a new disease into a previously clean population". Now, where would I find a diseased squirrel... :)


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I do wonder if Hil 1's humanity and empathy extends to rats. I know her or his type of empathy seems to generally be cultivated in urban and suburban environments of comfort and distance from the actual direct participation with nature on its own terms.

Death doesn't tend to be kind or gentle, whether it is administrated by humans defending their food or if it comes by way of disease, starvation, or the claws and teethe of a predator- more common fates of wild animals, particularly rodents, whose populations tend to go through booms and busts. Squirrels truly look desperate at the end of a boom when the surplus food is used up and they frantically seek sustenance to ease the pains of their hunger.

I only hope that my death comes as quickly and relatively painlessly as the it does for the squirrels at the other end of my shotgun.


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Bob, just Google plague. Bubonic in China a man got from a marmot, relative of the squirrel. Pnemonic (sp?) in Colorado, from a dog who probably got it from a Prairie dog, also relative of the squirrel.

Might be a little excessive to wipe out the neighbors just to get rid of squirrels but who am I to judge! Lol


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As a heartless,cheap, ignorant and depraved hillbilly (originally from Brooklyn, NY) who now is questioning what this says about his character or lack thereof, and who truly wants to live in a gentler world ( too bad the world is not listening) I ask that you....

Leave Hll11 alone.....

Obviously Hll11 is dealing with other issues and perhaps cluelessly calling into question the character of others is therapy.

Why can't we all get along... sure just as soon as you get rid of all of those */&*x!*!# squirrels.

And... do they really taste like chicken?

Mike


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"And... do they really taste like chicken? "

No, as someone who has eaten his share of squirrels, I like chicken a little better.

But the best uses of squirrels in the kitchen I have found is in a stir fry or a pot pie - boil the halved or whole squirrel and debone it, then use the small pieces of meat in the various stir fry or pot pie recipes. Wonderful. Don't waste them.


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Hi11 what else have you posted in this forum? Oh, nothing? So how did you find this thread to troll into anyway? It's not like you were reading current stuff.

There are a few things these nosy do gooder liberals do when they butt in. they set up some kind of family or friend connection to the subject, as if to establish some expertise. They use a term authorities, meaning there is someone other then you or themselves who has domain over this problem. And they always try to make you feel like a sub human barbarian for driving what you drive, not being up to date on your PC verbiage, killing squirrels, etc

One other thing they do is send their friends to weigh in to try to make you feel like the rest of humanity is on their side and you are alone. We'll see if He/she feels strongly enough about the subject to do that.


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I just had an idea... I normally drive squirrels across the river and release them. But the next one I catch, I'm going to fill the trash can with water then throw the trap in in honor of Hi11.


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It isn't humane. The UK prosecuted and the perp had to pay out money. I hope we follow them.

------------------Excerpt:
"The RSPCA warned that many common methods of killing grey squirrels and other pests could now fall foul of the law, and said the only humane way to dispatch them would be to take them to a vet for a lethal injection - at a cost of up to £70."

Here is a link that might be useful: article


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  • Posted by Drew51 5b/6a SE MI (My Page) on
    Thu, Jul 24, 14 at 11:30

Just for the record, i have never killed a squirrel. But I have no problems with those who do. Milehighgirl I think put it best. I'm one of those whom are rule followers. i hate it, but I can't seem to get away from it. It is not allowed in my community to kill them, even trap them yourself, so i do not. I use my dog to keep them away. he is not always happy about it when i make him stay out from dawn to dusk. Unless he sees one, then is is onboard with me. He wants them badly!


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I think Mike got it right and compassion is in order here, but for a human and not so much for the squirrels. Anyone who hates both of their parents does not live in a very nurturing or kind world.


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