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seamommy 7bTX (
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Fri, Jul 5, 13 at 11:29
| Should blueberries be pruned between seasons? Some of the branches were weighed down by the fruit and the berries got damaged. How quickly does the wood replenish itself? |
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- Posted by fruitnut z7b-8a,4500ft SW TX (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 5, 13 at 11:56
| The wood grows back fast if properly fertilized. That means small frequent doses of ammonium sulfate, 21-0-0, or the organic fertilizer of your choice. I always prune some after harvest. Usually removing 25-50% of the old wood. This year, on 2nd year plants, all that low wood that grows the first year was removed. Mine are starting to regrow already. The other task is to shorten long canes so they can support the fruit. New growth usually needs the tips pinched out at frequent intervals. Many varieties want to grow long unbranched shoots that if allowed to grow too tall can't support the weight of the fruit. Some varieties are a lot easier to maintain than others. I have a few that are very difficult to grow compactly enough to support the weight of the fruit. |
RE: Blueberry Bush Management
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- Posted by mrclint z10SoCal Valley (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 5, 13 at 14:29
| I've been following the Four Winds Growers tip sheet pruning advice, CARE OF SOUTHERN HIGHBUSH BLUEBERRIES. I've waited as long as when the buds swell around February and kind of prefer that, as I can see how the bush is going to fill out. I think Ed Laivo (previously with DWN) has mentioned that he does this in some talks and articles around the web. But pruning by about a 1/3 any time between October and February (for me) has been fine. It's only been a couple of seasons of pruning for me personally, but Four Winds has been around a long time and the tip sheet has been on the web for a while too. My goal is easy care, if your goals are different, there may be other methods and instructions better suited to your situation. |
RE: Blueberry Bush Management
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- Posted by fruitnut z7b-8a,4500ft SW TX (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 5, 13 at 14:45
| I can't agree with Four Winds pruning timing. Winter pruning seems better adapted to Northern highbush where the season is shorter and harvest later. In that case you'd have to prune in fall or winter. With Southern highbush pruning to form and shape the plant after harvest makes more sense to me. Then another pruning in winter mostly to thin out the fruiting wood. Also I've found it necessary to tip new growth during the growing season. The other factor is that there are huge differences between cultivars. Some form many small canes down low early on. Various cultivars can be very lanky and upright or low and spreading. Harvest dates across the country range from April to September. So one size can't fit all. Even if you narrow it down to just southern highbush there may be enough difference in harvest dates, and certainly in cultivars to affect pruning approach. I think you'll get a lot of different approaches to pruning but that's mine. |
This post was edited by fruitnut on Fri, Jul 5, 13 at 16:31
RE: Blueberry Bush Management
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- Posted by mrclint z10SoCal Valley (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 5, 13 at 15:10
| You may well be right. I haven't given all that much thought to optimum BB pruning or care to be honest, as I'm after easy and simple. Less is more for me, and the pruning instructions from Four Winds are pretty descriptive and seem to work well enough. Less complication makes it easier to get started. And sometimes the less I do, the better things go. :) |
RE: Blueberry Bush Management
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| I agree with Fruitnut......summer pruning for those in the warm climates has many positives and no negatives. The plants will grow faster and produce more fruit and be healthier. Clint..i'm not sure what it is about summer pruning you find hard or complicated. |
RE: Blueberry Bush Management
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- Posted by mrclint z10SoCal Valley (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 5, 13 at 17:03
| Probably more of a time issue than anything else. I have a bunch of trees that really HAVE to be summer pruned, and a garden cranking out fruit and veg like crazy right now. I can prune BB all at once within a 4-5 month window, a single time in the winter and be done with it. That's why I started with this set of instructions to begin with. As a general rule I don't move from dead simple, easy and working fine, to something else. :) |
This post was edited by mrclint on Fri, Jul 5, 13 at 17:06
RE: Blueberry Bush Management
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| I believe summer prunning is the best option for SHB expecially in humid areas like where I live. If no disease pressure is around and in a dry climate you might be able to get away with it but even then I believe SHB are much healtier and more productive when summer prunned. Ive made a list of which I believe justify summer prunning. SHB are prone to disease, namely stem blight and root rot. Stem blight is avoided by removing dead canes/branches (spent fruiting wood). My plants tend to form a thick canopy by the time fruiting is done. This canopy limits sunlight and air cirulation. It also forces branches and canes to rub on each other wounding the plant. These wounds can be a entry point for disease Fungus and Mildews can cause major issues with leaf retention in humid areas which have a direct effect on number of fruit buds formed in the fall. By prunning after harvest you force new shoots and leafs which stay longer on the plant into the fall to form more fruit buds. Usually the spring flush of leafs is pretty battered by the time fall comes and thats only the leafs that managed to hang on to the bush that long. Branching is multiplied by topping new canes and branches after harvest. More branches equal more fruit buds/fruit next spring. Sunlight and air. New shoots need sunlight to grow up right and strong. Shaded branches and shoots tend to be weak and sometimes twisted trying to reach the upper canopy. Sun and air also keep mildew and fungus at bay to an extent. Any thing else Im missing here? Ive even taken this same approach to my rabbiteyes. I believe in my area of the world rabbiteyes benefit even more from summer prunning than SHB. Ive had bad problems with powdery mildew in rabbiteyes from the get go and prunning to a open center and thinning out the rest of the canopy after harvest really seem to help. Im trying to think of a good reason not to prune SHB after harvest...... Im at a loss....... Still thinking....... Forget it, I cant think of any! I guess if your not really into getting the best production out of your blueberry plants than sure, why prune after harvest right? But if your nuts over growing the things like I am its just another reason to spend time in the garden. Your mind and plants benefit from it. |
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| Remebered another reason to summer prune. Shorten and strengthen branches to hold fruit off the ground. A long lanky plant will droop to the ground and ruin fruit. Also it limits the height of the plant for picking purposes with out sacrificing fruit buds that would be cut off next spring because the canes are out of reach. I can probably think of more but I dont see any reason too. Clint, I know your a really busy man in your garden but take the time to summer prune one of your plants this summer. You might be suprised how much more fruit you get and how much healtier your plant is. Take some pictures of them now and then to see for your self. A prunned plant is a happy one! |
RE: Blueberry Bush Management
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- Posted by mrclint z10SoCal Valley (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 5, 13 at 21:43
| I have three BB in 15" pots that I HAVE to move into a full sun location this weekend. My first trials with BB in full sun led to a bunch of leaves burned to a crisp. They are currently in a prime west facing exposure that I have to use for an avocado that I just bought. The Misty will most likely need to be pruned as it is leaning like a maniac. Misty is a notorious overbearer, so I have no remorse in potentially pruning it at any time. The Jubilee is a monster and some topping might lighten the load a little for the move. Sunshine Blue is basically a semi-dwarf plant and probably can be left as is, in case I have to prune out burned leaves. But then again I may not prune anything until I know that they can take full sun. Morning sun here is like full sun elsewhere, full sun is like a blast furnace. |
RE: Blueberry Bush Management
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| I have all of mine in full sun here in South Houston Tx. It does get hot here, 102-105 are very common in the summer and sometimes it gets hotter. I have to water every day and some of my 4 year old plants could get watered 2 times a day in the heat. One thing that Im trying right now is using Surround (Kaolin Clay). Its suppost to keep the leaf surfaces cooler and keep heat stress at bay. So far so good! |
RE: Blueberry Bush Management
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| Clint, I looked at your plants and they are still pretty small. Are you sure it is the sun frying the leaves and not the sun frying the pots and overheating the roots? I know you said you had recently repotted them.were they in black pots? Mulching the pot tops does help. The other thing could be if they were planted during hot weather......they really prefer to be planted in the late fall though winter works almost as well. My normal mulch is fairly dark so this year I have tried using stable waste which is basically just 95% pine chips. The light colored mulch does seem to keep the soil cooler. The only unknown is it is not mellowed which I know is the recommendation......but so far it has not caused any noticeable issues. |
This post was edited by bamboo_rabbit on Fri, Jul 5, 13 at 22:05
RE: Blueberry Bush Management
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- Posted by mrclint z10SoCal Valley (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 5, 13 at 22:12
| A member at the other msg board suggested that the pots may be getting cooked and not the plants. I will keep the pots shaded after the move. Watering 2x a day won't work, as I'm not available to do that, and that will have me scurrying to get them in partial sun again. As for size, the sunshine blues are semi-dwarf plants, and all BB are heavily winter pruned. Jubilee and O' Neal are both over 3' tall right now, bigger would be a curse. |
RE: Blueberry Bush Management
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| You could try painting the pots white or do what Blueboy does and use foil on the pots to reflect the sun. If you have access to pine needles them make great mulch for the top of pots and will reduce the need to water and keep them cooler. Could even try the pine chips as the three pots would not take much. |
RE: Blueberry Bush Management
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- Posted by mrclint z10SoCal Valley (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 5, 13 at 23:02
| I plan to use some cardboard that I saved for compost to shade the pots. Will also add some extra mulch on top of the soil as well. I'm more concerned about the avocado that I'm about to plant, to be honest. BB have been easy and trouble free for the most part, 'cados have been much more challenging. :) |
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- Posted by ljrd3 z9 / 10 CA (My Page) on
Thu, Oct 3, 13 at 14:51
| do container blueberries become root bound? My (only) BB - a O'Neil Rabbiteye which is at least 8 y.o, is about 4' tall and 4' wide and in a 20" x 20" pot had its best fruiting year ever this spring ( I got at least 4 pints this year - as opposed to a few handfuls in the past years) but now the plant is browning and branches are dying - not just the Fall "color" bit. THere is a thick mat of roots at the top of the pot - water barely soaks in. I know they are shallow rooted - does it need to be repotted? Or should I just add some mulch or soil on top? I pretty much have a brown thumb - any advice welcome |
RE: Blueberry Bush Management
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| I would say yes, it's time to repot! I believe blueberries can last longer in between reports than most other plants. There root system is so fine the will fill all available poor space in the pot. I would pull the plant cut at least 1/4 of the root ball off but I think half would be better. After a good root prune the top has to be pruned also to match the root mass. Probably best to do it in the winter but I've done it in the heat of the summer with no problems also. If your plant is a Oneil it's a southern high bush, not a rabbiteye. Hope it works out for you and congrats on keeping it alive that long. Your thumb isn't brown! |
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