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This is a Blackberry lovers dream

Posted by 2010ChampsBCS 7B St Clair Co (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 28, 14 at 7:20

This is a Blackberry lovers dream. Ripe seven days before Natchez and again in September-October. I just finished watching the video by John R Clark. Those were what his comments indicated about the Prime Ark Freedom. If these blackberries pan out they can fulfill one of my desires in that I would like to be able to pick fresh berries from June through late October. I have no experience with the Prime Ark varieties. Are my expectations too high? Placed my order today and they are expected to arrive next week. Excited as a mature berry grower can be. All comments are welcome.


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WDE.

I don't know about the dream, but Kiowa was giving me nightmares this year. Two 60 ft rows were yielding 1.5-2 gallons a day for most of 6 weeks - thankfully, I could pick those in about 10 minutes.
Drought conditions toward the end of the season, I was not distraught over diminishing fruit size, or the fact that a lot of the very last berries just dried up.
\W had friends coming to pick blueberries, and I wpuld tell them, "You can have all the blueberries you can pick, but you have to take a gallon of blackberries with you when you go.


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Prime Ark 45 (thorny variety) started producing mid-August and will continue until frost in mid-to-late October. Berries are large, good tasting, and reasonably productive for a primocane crop. A really cold winter last year killed off the floricanes, so no fruit from them.Probably cold-hardy to 5F for floricane (Summer) crop. Prime Ark Freedom should probably mirror this variety.


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  • Posted by Drew51 5b/6a SE MI (My Page) on
    Thu, Aug 28, 14 at 14:41

Yeah not hardy enough for here, but I have the fall raspberry crop to deal with. I would prefer blackberries to ripen earlier. Everybody has different needs.
I have a fairly large raspberry patch, well three of them, so I'm busy. Tomatoes, peppers, beans, strawberries, and melons ripening too! I need three hours a day in the garden this time of year.
I just finished a batch ot tomato sauce, man it's good!


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Who is shipping blackberry plants right now?

Thanks,

gary


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Gary. Amazon had the Prime Ark Freedom available. Good luck Bill


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Lucky. Sounds like your doing well with your blackberries. Hoping I can reach your level of success soon. Thanks Bill


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Jtburton. My primary interest in the Prime varieties is in there ability to supply berries after my Triple Crown has finished (Aug 7) and its lack of thorns. Do you have any experience with cutting down the berry plants each winter so they can provide just a fall crop.


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I ordered 2 freedoms from amazon. They were a bit sad looking upon arrival, but have really bounced back and are quickly putting up new growth. I put them in the ground a little over a month ago. Not sure how well they will do here in southeast Texas, but I just wanted to test them.


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Colonel. I ordered three and if they are healthy enough I will plant them asap, so some root development can get started before winter. I sure hope the Freedom gives me the fall crop I want. I'm considering cutting these back to the ground each winter if I can get a larger late season crop. Bill


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Has anyone experimented with cutting the Prime Ark varieties back to the ground each winter for a larger fall crop?


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Lucky. The upick farms nearby use the Kiowa and I'm sure they plant these because of the size and early ripening. I have been considering adding this variety also and my only hold up has been the thorns. I have four young grandchildren that I get to help pick (they love it) and I can just pretty much turn them loose with my thornless varieties. Do you know if the Kiowa ripens ahead of the Natchez?


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2010ChampsBCS,

This year my Prime Ark45 wintered killed to the ground, so that would be equivalent to cutting them to the ground. There are more primocanes present than last year but I can't say that they are noticeably more productive than the previous year. You are only getting fruit from the very top of the canes, so the amount is light. Prime Ark45 is a useful and good-tasting blackberry. I have been getting fruit for about 2 weeks and should have it to frost (mid-to-late October). I had fruit into early November last year. The early summer crop is usually much larger though and of better quality than the Fall crop.


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Jtburton. That is exactly the kind of information that I was looking for. Winterkill is not likely to happen in my area so I may just let these plants fruit early and late. Now I need to learn when to prune each section. Any additional information from anyone is welcome. Thanks again for everyone’s information.


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Prune the primocane tops in the late winter and prune the floricane bottoms after they fruit in late June / early July.


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Don't know how ripening of Kiowa compares to Natchez.
Had planted a couple of named-variety blackberries 20 years ago - one thorny, one thornless - can't recall which ones(both 'A's, I think) - but they were both a big disappointment. Low production, berry size not a whole lot bigger than local natives, tart/not sweet.
Kiowa was not that disappointment, but it is a THORNY devil - but worth the danger, to me.


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Lucky. The u-pick operations near me indicate that the Kiowa start ripening 1-2 weeks before my Natchez. If the Freedom does not cover this period I may add the Kiowa. Thanks, Bill


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I have 1 Prime Jan and 2 Ark 45 blackberries that I have had for two years. This was my first floricane crop and it was very good and about a week or two ahead of my other Arkansas blackberries. Last fall I had a decent fall crop due to a cool wet summer. This year has been hot and is still hot, calling for mid to high 90s all of next week. So far the fall crop has been very light. The plants are growing nicely but very little blooms, hope that changes as the weather cools.

For me the primocane yield is less than the summer yield by a fair amount, maybe half. Couple that with a 3 month ripening window equals few berries per day. I am a grazer and going by eating a couple berries a day suits me just fine. Don't expect to pick a gallon of berries at a time in the fall like you do in the summer unless you have a lot of plants.


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c5tiger. I'm starting to get a pretty good picture of what to expect in berries and when they will be ready. I'm also one who likes to pick a few right off the vine and eat each day. Sounds like I may need about 6 plants to take care of that. I also freeze larger quantities that I plan to pick from other summer varieties. Thanks for every ones help. Any other comments are welcome.


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Just thought I'd post a pic of one of my freedoms. I had to tie it up, as the branches of this one wanted to lay on the ground. This one's about a foot tall. I need to weed, I know, I know....


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Colonel. Your plants look great especially for the short time you have had them. Wish I had ordered earlier. My estimated delivery is this Thursday and I am planning to have a home ready for them when they arrive. I don't expect much this year but a little bit of root development. We normally don't have frost/below 32 degrees until November so they will have about two months to get acclimated. Thanks for the picture. Bill


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From the same nursery off amazon, I ordered a Passion flower and a flat of stevia. So far, all the plants were packaged nicely, but they all looked like they were in trouble. Everything ordered is doing great; not one plant has died.


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Colonel. The Passion fruit has a beautiful flower. I’m not so sure what a person does with the fruit. The Passion fruit (Maypops to us) grow wild where I grew up. We tasted them when ripe and I had mixed feelings about the taste. Do you grow these for the flower or fruit? I’m also curious about your plans for the Stevia.

This post was edited by 2010ChampsBCS on Tue, Sep 2, 14 at 8:35


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I mainly grow the Passion flowers for the flowers, but I just like to have useful plants that look nice. Passion flower tea has sedative qualities and the fruit is slightly sweet. I've completely stopped consuming refined sugar and just got the stevia on a whim. I'd like to try it in tea or limeades. No real solid plans at the moment. Since cutting sugar and quick burning carbs from my diet, I've dropped 35lbs! I was pushing 400, so I'll take anything!


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Received my 3 Prime Freedom blackberry plants this morning. They arrived in what appeared to be good condition but small as expected. Two have been planted and one has been re-potted to a larger container. This was my first plant order through Amazon and I was pleased. The plants looked healthy and arrived early. I do believe that being in transit such a short time improved the arrival quality. Now I will see how they transition to real life.


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Colonel. Thanks for the Stevia information. I have been considering trying to grow some for a sweetener because it is low carb. Walmart has stevia and I tried it but was not impressed with the taste. You may like it. For me the low carb lifestyle is the easiest way to loose weight. It is pretty much my way of eating now. I hope you will keep at the weight loss. Even though it is difficult you will be amazed at how much better you will feel when you get the weight off. Good Luck, Bill


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Ordered mine last Oct. they chest to waist high. I have eaten a hand full already and there are about four green ones and a few blooms right now. I love the flavor. Can't wait til next year for full crop.


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BKG1. Hope my Freedoms do as well as yours next year. It would be nice to at least be able to taste test them. I'm assuming that you are picking berries from the primocanes and the lower portion will be your late spring crop next year. As you can see I'm still learning the new pruning system for the Prime Arks. Bill


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I too, question the growth of these prime plants. I'm a little unclear as to when they start producing - I know summer and fall crops, but is it new canes that shoot up around the start of fall/late summer that produce a first crop, or is the summer crop the first that's produced?
I guess I'll find out soon enough either way!


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Prime Ark primocanes can come up any time during the growing season but generally need a certain amount growth / time before they will flower and fruit. A full grown Prime Ark primocane will be about 7ft tall, but you'll want to summer prune it when the cane is about 2-3ft, to stimulate lateral branching and to reduce the cane height. My Prime Ark 45s are producing about a pint of berries every couple of days now but I'm forced to pick them a little early due to fruit flies. They will produce until mid-to-late October for me.


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  • Posted by Drew51 5b/6a SE MI (My Page) on
    Thu, Sep 4, 14 at 14:10

JT, so by heading them, i guess you get more fruiting laterals on the primocanes? And Kernel, they fruit first on primocanes like fall bearing raspberries. I really don't need another fall crop, but at least with this plant I could at least get one crop. Even if the canes died in winter. Makes me rethink maybe i do need this plant?


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Colonel. This is how I think our plants will grow/fruit. The dates are just estimates.

-Due to late planting, this year’s small canes will fruit about May 21st 2015, and then cut back to the ground.

-The new primocanes that grow next spring 2015 will fruit on the top from about August-October then trim only the top that just fruited.

-About May 21st 2016 we will get our largest amount of berries from the section remaining from 2015 then cut this section to the ground.

-The new 2016 primocanes tops will ripen about August-October then trim the top that just fruited.

If anyone sees errors please post the corrections. Thanks, Bill


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Drew. I guess we all have different needs. Late spring blackberries grow well in my area and then they are gone. I'm looking for varieties that will extend my fresh berries into the late summer months.


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Thanks to all for the info! This helps me get a pretty good picture if what to expect.


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I'm averaging about a 1/2 pint per day from my 5 Prime Ark 45 plants. It's good to have fresh blackberries!


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Jtburton. Those look like there in very good condition. One of my concerns was that my hot humid summer weather might mess up the berry quality. Hope my Freedoms do that well. My intent was to extend the fresh harvest into late fall.


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Last week, I ordered a Prime Arkansas Freedom through Amazon from Hirt Gardens. It arrived in two days and was in beautiful condition. When I started to transplant it, I noticed that the plant has thorns and I knew that the Freedom is thornless. I sent and email to Hirt with pictures about the problem and was given a complete refund immediately. The responding individual indicated that he would check his inventory to ensure against mislabling. Although I would rather have had the Freedom plant, I am very happy with Hirt Garden's cusomer service.


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Charlie. The three Freedoms I ordered were also from Hirt. These plants were in the best condition that I have ever gotten from a mail order. Thankfully my plants had no thorns. Good luck on reordering if you choose to. Bill


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My freedoms, Passion flower and stevia were all through Hirts. They all arrived packed quite nicely, but didn't look very good. I think it's mainly due to the heat in my area, because all are doing quite nicely now, since planting. The Passion flowers are blooming beautiful blooms everyday. I would recommend hirts, but reviews on amazon seem to be hit or miss with them. I'll have no issues ordering in the future!
JB - those fresh berries look delicious. They wouldn't last long at my house!


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I live in southeast Texas, by the way. All my other berries are from bob wells nursery. I like using them. Everything they've sent has been healthily looking. I've had trouble with my royal cherries, but they'll be replacing them this fall. These people actually answer the phone when you call!!!


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  • Posted by Drew51 5b/6a SE MI (My Page) on
    Mon, Sep 8, 14 at 11:57

I have used hirts for ornamental plants and was quite happy with the purchases. Just thought I would mention that.


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2010ChampsBCS,

The early summer crop on Prime Ark45 generally has better fruit quality than the Fall crop. We have had a few hot periods but also some unusually cool weather during July and consistent rain all summer.


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My three Freedom blackberries arrived early and were packaged in what we call peanuts (Styrofoam). When I first saw the cardboard box I was thinking that the plants could not be in good condition. I opened the box and they appeared to be in excellent condition. I think this packaging method is perfect if they can ship quickly as they did.


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Thanks to everyone for the post. Through you I have learned so much about the Freedom Blackberry.


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One last thing..since your new blackberry plants are rather young and winter is fast approaching (in a couple of months or so), you might want to cover the new plants for the winter when it gets colder just to ensure that they live through this winter. Once they have established roots, then this should not be necessary.

Prime Ark primocanes are hardy to about 0F but their established roots will take at least -5F or better. This is from my experience last winter.


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Last winter was the coldest winter for a longer period than I have ever seen in Northern VA (zone 7). I had an apache and a natchez that I planted just before the cold weather. I covered the apache but not the natchez. The natchez did not make it but the apache did. So, I second jburton's recommendation to cover. I still whish I had received the freedom blackberry. I would really like to try it.


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A picture of my Prime Ark Freedoms I planted from plugs July 1 and so far I have 1 blackberry, not ripe yet. (Atlanta, Ga)


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catfishhoward,

It might be the photo but I would be curious about the distance between you Prime Arks? I had trouble planting many of my plant too close to each other. A fully grown Prime Ark will be 7ft tall and 5-6ft in diameter. They will fill in to form a hedge if you let them but the denser the growth the less they will fruit due to the lack on sunlight. Thick growth also restricts air flow, promoting the growth of fungus...especially in humid climates. Just my 2 cents.


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Yeah, I spaced mine about 4' apart, but now I'm thinking I should have went more than that. My brazos berries are bushing out quite a bit and I can already tell that I'm gonna have trouble due to the spacing. All the other varieties seem pretty tame compared , but everything is only just established at this point. Only time will tell.


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  • Posted by Drew51 5b/6a SE MI (My Page) on
    Tue, Sep 16, 14 at 12:24

On some of my blackberries a 12 foot spacing would be better, the things are crazy fast growers. I have plants throwing 20 foot vines, like three ot four each.


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This season cane borers destroyed about 75% of my blackberry crop. The berries matured to different levels but none that was damaged reached a decent quality. With the damage in mind I have been planting a little closer hoping to cut out the damage canes and at least have a decent crop. Apparently cane bores do more damage in certain years. So far I'm seeing only a small amount of damage. Do any of you know the estimated date that all the swollen areas from cane borers will be visible and I can get my hopes up for a good 2015 season?


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jtburton,

You noted that your fall crop for 5 Prime Ark 45's amounts to 1/2 pint per day. I am interested in the Prime Ark freedom. I have very little space. At that rate, It wouldn't work for me. However, I would be growing only the primocane crop, and then cutting them down for winter. Any idea how that would impact the fall yield? Thanks.


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You all have convinced me! I have three Prime Ark Freedoms on order for next spring. It is a gamble in this climate, but I plan to cover the area with 1" stryrofoam blocks over winter so that hopefully the plants will at least survive. I have lots of room in a field to grow them, so if they don't survive, it isn't the end of the world. I suppose I need to wire them for rabbits and deer, though. Northwoodswis


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This is an update picture of one of my three Freedom Blackberry Plants.


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This was the smallest plug received on Sept. 2, 2014 and I decided to put it in a pot. It is about 15" high as of today. My winter low is usually no lower than 15 degrees. Our current lows are in the mid 40's. It needs to harden off before the colder weather arrives.


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lsoh,

My Prime Ark 45's floricane crop didn't winter over this year, so I essentially had a primocane crop only this year. Mine started fruiting around Sept. 1st and have continued to fruit until now. Like most crops, your yield will diminish as the Fall season wanes. I had more fruit on the floricane crop last year than on the Fall crop this year but it is nice to have fresh blackberries until frost.


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jburton,

Thanks.


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jtburton.

Thanks for your update. The Fall crop is the time period I would like to be able to pick a few fresh berries each day. Hope my Freedom's do as well as yours.


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Your production might be better or worse than mine based on a number of factors. One factor that negatively impacts my fruit production is sunlight. As the sun gets lower in the Fall sky, my berry patch gets less sunlight because of nearby trees. Fall also brings with it a different set of pests. SWD is an issue and so are yellow jackets in my area.

If you are in a lower hardiness zone (less than 6), then I would suggest checking your frost free days before planting Prime Arks. I get about 180 frost free days in my area. My Prime Arks start ripening around September 1st, which means that I have somewhere between 45-60 days of fruiting available before frost ends the crop. You'll need to do the math for your area to determine if you have enough frost free days available to get a crop. I suppose that if you try to cover them, you could extend the season some, but this variety is not that easy to cover due to their height.


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I meant to write one FOOT square styrofoam blocks, not one INCH! I have a source for them free, in addition to having a lot of them on hand already, so I figure I will cut the canes in the fall and spread the blocks over the roots.. Cracks between the blocks will allow any rain to seep between them. I don't need a huge harvest, but want a few for some variety. As I said, I have plenty of room in a field for them. I actually prefer raspberries, but have never tried home-grown blackberries. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If these fail, I will try some hardier thorned varieties, but I don't like wicked thorns. Northwoodswis


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Just wanted to share a pic of one of my freedoms. This one has two canes, one of which has split into two main canes. I haven't tipped anything, it has just naturally grown this way. There's a couple of bamboo sticks in there just to keep them off the ground. I think I could remove them at this point. I had originally put them there because they were growing so fast, the main stem couldn't hold itself up. It's pretty substantial now.


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