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Tony's 2013 fruits harvest and newly graft persimmon tree

Posted by tonytran 5A Omaha, NE (My Page) on
Sat, Aug 10, 13 at 13:25

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Flavor supreme protected in disposable hair net


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Shinko Asian pear


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Red Baron peach


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Nikita's Gift Hybrid Persimmon


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Nikita's Gift Hybrid Persimmon


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Starkbros's Sweet Miniature Sensation peach


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Wonderful Pomegranate

This post was edited by tonytran on Sat, Aug 10, 13 at 18:47


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Hardy Russian Pomegranate Salavatski


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A bunch of American Persimmon Crosses this year and to be plant out next spring. Hopefully one will be good.


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Rossyanka Hybrid Persimmon just grafted this spring has quite a bit of growth on a bigger rootstock.


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American persimmons stand


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Asian Pears stand: Lantai Jululi, Pai LI, Ya LI, Yoinashi


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Carmine Jewel High Brix cherries stand


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3 Yrs old Rossyanka Hybrid persimmon


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Honey Jar Jujube


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Paw Paws & Persimmons stand


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2 yrs old grafted Prok persimmon on 4 feet tall rootstock


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Petersen's Paw paws: Shenandoah & Susquehanna

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Newly grafted Sugar Pearl Apricot on a branch of Minature Honey Glo nectarine


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Tony,

I'm green with envy. You really work hard at it and it shows. I hope I can follow in your footsteps one day.


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Very nice...you are gonna be loaded with fruit in a few years if not already...


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Tony, Wow!!!! Eye popping! Truly fantastic, clean, weeded, sprayed (?) perfect looking fruit. Not an earwig in sight or blight of any sort. No holes in leaves, I think your orchard is fantastic. Your Asian pears are incredible. What crops you have! My fruit is still so small. Your Belle of Georgia peaches are beautiful too. Hard work really pays off. Its just great. Thanks for the photos! Mrs. G


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Tony, I live in CB. I have never tasted paw paw and have not been able to find any. can I buy some from you to sample? you can e-mail me from my profile info


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That is just fantastic Tony! Thanks so much for posting all those pics, it is so inspiring to see what you are able to grow in your climate.

My first question is how in the world do you deal with late spring frosts, or did you just get lucky this year? No peaches here in NM or CO, and only a few apples/pears.

Also, with the pawpaws, do you have to protect them from wind, low humidity, and/or strong sun? If so, for how long?


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MrsG.

I bagged the apples. The plums and Pluots I used the disposable hair net for bug protection and to avoid breakage of the fruits due to weak stems. I sprayed with Spectracide Once and Done as recommended. I have quite a few varieties, some scions from Scott and the rest from the ARS Pears collection. I have been eating the Shinseiki, they are very early. Shinko is very good here somehow. Olympic Giant or Korea Giant also big, sweet, and good. I love Tennosui, it is very sweet, oval shape fruit and does not brown up after cut. Hopefully next year I get to try Lantai Jululi, Pai LI, Ba Li Xiang, Lao Suan Li, Yaguang Li from the ARS.

CCKW,

I will drop you an email when they are ready, so you can sample them. I worked in the Anesthesia Dept at Mercy in Council Bluff, IA. You can pick them up at the Surgery desk.

FN,

For stone fruits, I avoid the frost by covered them up with a large tarp and placed a 120 v light bulb in the middle of the tree for protection during the night of frost prediction. So I will have fruits from here on. Some how the Paw Paws did good here without any protection. I bought a couple of Petersen's varieties and the rest I grafted myself. I bought some woods from John Gordon and traded some with others on this forum.

Tony

Here is a link that might be useful: ARS Pears collection from Corvallis


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I'd like to repeat what everyone has said. Your trees are very green, clean, healthy and beautiful. What a great job you have done!!!

Your shinko look more green than russetted. Mine are russetted. Are you sure that's Shinko's pic?


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Wow, Tony, just beautiful! You must be everyone's favorite neighbor! Your persimmons are gorgeous. Well done!

Patty S.


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Do you let the persimmons ripen on the tree? That would make a beautiful photograph too. Please take more pics as the fruit continues to ripen. Inspirational! Mrs. G


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Tony those look awesome! Your fruit trees show all of your hard work and knowledge. I have a question for you, what do you do for winter protection for your figs, pomegranates and persimmons if they need it? I would love to hear the details for winterizing in zone 5A.


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Mamuang,

I took another close up photo of Shinko Asian pear. It starting to show a little russett.

MrsG,

I will take some more photos of tree ripe persimmons.

Greg,

In the link below is my old post on how to protect persimmons, figs, or other cold tender trees for zone 5.

I also included more photos of trees that handle zone 5 if other members want to grow them.

Tony

Here is a link that might be useful: Persimmons and Figs winter protection for zone 5


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Contender Peach


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Starkbros's Alberta Queen peach for canning.


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Seedless Concord grape for fresh juice.


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O'Henry Peach tree. Look like a late peach. The fruits are still small and very green.


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2 yrs old Lang Jujube


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Newly grafted Saijo persimmon.


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Newly Grafted Sheng persimmon


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Newly grafted Zengi Maru from Scott's scion. I might have to dig this guy up in the late fall and plant it in the ground next spring due to late graft and shoots might be winter tender.


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I came across this pawpaw tree in the wild. It taste just like Cherimoya flavor and very early. Lot of fruits in cluster of 3 or 4. I called it Pawmoya. This is a special find.


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State Fair apples are getting red nicely.


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Grand Gala is turning color also.


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Sweet Red Fuji is still small.


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Lastly, my hot peppers


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In the evening, I am shoeing the deer away thru my Sun Room.


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Immaculate!!


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Tony, you and your fruit trees are awesome. I love all the variety and everything looks great. Hopefully, next year, I am going to upload pics of my fruit trees only if they look as good and healthy as yours...I can tell you appreciate the art of growing your own produce and fruit because you are exceptionally great at your gift! I bet it is hard for you to purchase fruit at the markets if you ever have to? Thanks so much for sharing. Although I have learned so much from all my garden buddies, it is always good to be able to just enjoy the trees that have no problems that are producing nicely. Thanks again Tony and do continue to show pics!


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Tony! After really seeing the depth of what you have created as a 'home orchardist', my only fear for you is that I see more green lawn and room for tons of more trees? I do hope you all can and make jam too. Your children must be so happy about all of the gorgeous fresh fruit. Are your children old enough to start showing an interest in fruit growing? Its is all fantastic!


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Tony thanks for the link I will read through it in just a minute.
- Oh Henry's are one of my favorite peaches, and are one of the last peaches of the season, they make crazy good crepes.
-I am glad to see that your Saijo persimmon looks similar to mine with the new growth being lighter in color. I thought it was chlorotic but it seems to be changing color very slowly.
-Last I have never tasted a pawpaw, I have 2 planted in the ground, but if I had one that tasted like cherimoya I would probably plant an orchard of them!
Keep up the photos and updates!


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Very impressive.

How many years have you been working your orchard?

Do you have a schedule for spraying, pruning, etc.? I have a bunch of different types of fruits, and I find myself getting overwhelmed and scatter-brained by thinking of all the different tasks I need to do for each individual plant. I have to keep telling myself to focus on one plant at a time. This was my first year since adding about 20 varieties and my off-season homework is to create a comprehensive schedule for spraying, pruning, fertilizing, etc for each variety. Do you use something like this, or are you just a natural?


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my only fear for you is that I see more green lawn and room for tons of more trees

I do envy your space. You definitely have an "Edible Landscape". Here I have a "Backyard Orchard". I haven't bothered to make mine a beautiful landscape; just pure production. Your place is so pleasing to the eye!


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Mrs.G.

You are right about more trees. I am keep on grafting trees every year. It is addicting. My 4 children love eating fresh ripen fruits off the tree. I got them involved in bark graft some apples and they like to do it.

L&D,

I have been gardening and helping with my dad fruit trees for about 15 years. I build this house about 8 years ago and begin to plant a lot of fruit trees of my own. In regard with spraying schedule, I sprayed copper during dormant season and right at buds swell. After petals fall, I then used Spectracide Once&Done every two weeks. I bagged the apples and used disposable hair nets on pluots and plums for bugs protection. Scott Smith has a nice reminder calendar. I will attach it below. Good luck.

MG,

You did a very fine job on your backyard orchard.

Tony

Here is a link that might be useful: Scott Smith Orchard Calendar


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I should update that calendar, I learned a lot in the last five years.

Great job on the orchard Tony, I wish I was half as neat as you are. Neatness is an important attitude to have as a fruit grower. Its part of the attention to detail attitude that is needed to be successful. I'm not a details guy but the orchard has been very helpful in improving myself in that dimension.

Scott


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Thanks for posting the link (and Scott, thanks for posting it originally). I didn't even know this existed as I wasn't even a member back then. I've got it bookmarked now.


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Tony,

Thanks for posting that schedule, and...

Scott,

Thanks for creating it. If you get around to updating it, I'd love to see how you've revised your methods over the years.


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Tony, I did get your e-mail about getting paw-paws from you, I was not able to reply back due to it originating here, so posting so you know I got it and am excited to try them!


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Flavor heart Pluot (from Aceofspades-scion). Very fruity flavor, sweet and juicy.


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My biggest pawpaw cluster of the year (7 fruits in this cluster). Very early. Very good tasting. A keeper.

Tony


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interesting how different your Flavor Heart pluot looks from the pic at DNW linked below. Their picture and description show a dark purple fruit, yours looks so much more red. Different growing environment?

Here is a link that might be useful: DNW Flavor Heart pluot description


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Eb,

I covered with the disposable hair net for bugs protection. I wonder if that causes less purple?

Tony


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Mishirasu pear, large, sweet, and crunchy.


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Starkbros's Honey sweet pear, Beautiful, very sweet and crunchy. Excellent pear.


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Li Jujube is getting bigger.


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Wow, so impressive! Everything look so green and healthy!

I also purchased the Shenandoah and Susquehanna Peterson pawpaw last year and they aren't nearly as beautiful as yours. What do you feed them :p


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Icho,

I used Miracle growth and once in a while Urea nitrogen (the big gun) to boost growth and green leaves (bought at Earl May Nursery a 40 lbs bag for about $39 ).

Tony


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Very nice!

Thanks for sharing. Enjoy those harvest !!


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Wow! I am very impressed with how beautiful and healthy everything looks. I have never seen apples so healthy looking. It is very difficult to grow them here in the southeast without many disease problems. All of your fruits look great!


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Tony, this is my little R.Brill. with one fruit on it.It need a few more days to ripened.Wiil let you know.


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Tony, this is my little R.Brill. with one fruit on it.It need a few more days to ripened.Wiil let you know.


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Bob,

I have heard Rojo Brillante persimmon from Spain taste real good. Plz give us your 2 cents on it after your taste test. BTW what are those green trees in the background. Looks like a frost resistant trees.

Tony


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  • Posted by lkz5ia z5 west iowa (My Page) on
    Sat, Nov 23, 13 at 1:41

I see bamboo in the background and is evergreen.


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The last batch of Ichi Kei Ki Jiro going into the dehydrator.

Tony


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Ichi


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Ichi


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I tried to dry some Ichi persimmons the Japanese method by de-skinned them and used a fishing string and tied each one by the calyx.

Tony


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Bamboo, i got lots of them too. I have cleared a lot of clumps this spring,some went allthe way to Florida from all places.Since i spent a lot of years in the orient i got to grow bamboo,maybe a mango tree next year.
By the way is fruit growing your primary ocupation,don't look like you have any time for computor games either.
Here is a comparasent of the R.Brill...


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Bob,

Nice persimmon photos. So those bamboos can tolerate temp down to -4F at your place. Maybe I will grow some here for landscaping purposes and test them out for winter hardiness. Bob, fruit trees growing is a hobby. During the day, I keep the laboring mothers happy by hooking them up with an epidural. They are always happy to see me enter their room.

Tony


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Tony: I'm really impressed by your orchard. Wonderful work.


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There are a few varieties that i have,one is black bamboo,they are the least winter hardy,but still it does not make any difference because the rootball stays alive and will produse the same lenth the following spring. They all got names but i go by color only: Yellow,green and black.
What is nice about these plants is they stays green during the year and for it is nice to see green during the winter.
Freezing rain will hurt them,they might bend all the way to the ground. We had several winters with temps at -4*.
They will reach about to 25 feet max,yellow and black about 15 feet.


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Very Impressed, I grow a lot of the same plants, but most are a couple years behind I think. Either that or or my brown thumb as most are pre-fruiting. A lot of my persimmon were planted spring 2010 as 3-4 foot but several have not seem mature fruit on yet. What is the average bearing age you guys normally see, and what age are you seeing consistent production? I want my table to look like Bob's from the "dinner thread" I have close to 40 Persimmon of varying from 2009 to new graft, but still can consume all fresh with no drying.


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It all depend on the cultivar.The Roya Brill. was planted spring of 2012 and it had 4 fruits but kept one,which i should have pick-off too. For me shaping the tree is more important and because i have other tree's
to pick fruits of.
I will advice anybody not to grow too many kinds because most of them taste alike and that is why i will topwork most of them this spring and have things more manageble.3 varieties is plenty per single homeowner.Same with Figs and Paw-paw's.


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  • Posted by lkz5ia z5 west iowa (My Page) on
    Sun, Nov 24, 13 at 13:38

Regarding the bamboo, in our climate it survives, the long frozen ground in winter, extreme low temps, and the highly available winter sun are problems. Taking special care and playing with microclimates can help, I just let it do its thing, by spring its different than the conifers and deciduous trees, with tan leaves still attached. But here is what it looks like right now for me, this one is attractive, is called Phyllostachys aureosulcata 'spectabilis.
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IkZ,

Nice to see bamboos with the snow. Looks like those ducks found a home. I may have to find a corner space for the bamboos because of their spreading shoots. Bob, IKZ is it easy to transplant a small bamboo shoot and root ball?

Tony


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I love the look of your ducks. What kind are they?


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Yes, it is easier than grafting,clumps can be very small to start and grow fast especially for a person with experience.
They spread fast. You might not see much grow the first year but things are happening underneath.Make sure that you know where you want to grow. ones they get a hold they take-off fast.They don"t need anything.


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Yes, it is easier than grafting,clumps can be very small to start and grow fast especially for a person with experience.
They spread fast. You might not see much grow the first year but things are happening underneath.Make sure that you know where you want to grow. ones they get a hold they take-off fast.They don"t need anything.


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  • Posted by lkz5ia z5 west iowa (My Page) on
    Sun, Nov 24, 13 at 20:30

Yeah, bamboo can start from a small start if taken care of. Mowing pretty much can take care of it where you want it. My birds like to hide and lounge around in it. I also like growing it for wildlife cover, too. There is a clumping one you can try called Fargesia rufa if you don't want a runner, but I'm not impressed with it.

I used to have buff, khaki campbell, and runner ducks, now generations later, they are mixes of that.

background shows what winter does to my bamboo, with their tan dead leaves. foreground shows what summer does to my bamboo.
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This post was edited by lkz5ia on Sun, Nov 24, 13 at 20:41


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Lot's of Fargesia species will grow in colder zones, not just Rufa, in general they do not like much sun. I like the clumping ones better as I'm looking more for a bush, or specimen plant, not a grove or wildlife cover. We have so many invading running type plants around here, they are not appreciated by anybody. Phragmites, are a huge problem here. It's killing all the cat tails no doubt. So I have to explain to people that my bamboo is a clumping form that will spread beyond the clump.


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Drew,

Do you know off hand some of the clumping bamboo varieties?

Strudeldog,

My Nikita's Gift is about five years old. and the Ichi is about 7 yrs old. The first two years it was potted and over winter in the garage.

Tony


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  • Posted by lkz5ia z5 west iowa (My Page) on
    Mon, Nov 25, 13 at 9:58

Drew, Michigan has more favorable climate for bamboo. Rufa is more tolerant to extreme conditions than some of the others like nitida and murieliae. Clumpers though generally aren't vigorous enough in my particular situation. Phyllostachys genus is the best for vigor and the hardy species in that genus take a beating better than others. I've ended up killing a lot of bamboo via weather, was a fad to try about everything in mid 2000s for me.


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I wish I could add Phllostachys, it's just the stigma here, and the recent trend towards native plants, makes it difficult. I can of course do whatever I want. But I need to live in a community. Your plants btw look awesome.
The clumping plants do struggle. Really they are more ideal for shaded locations even in our zones. Yes MI is a little better, well lower MI where I'm at. And I agree Rufa is the best one to try first as far as making it. If Rufa is not making it, I agree the running type make more sense for you. Well you have them, they look great! You could add different Phllostachys species.

You might be having trouble with the clumpers due to too much sun. As the ones you mention are actually supposed to be more cold hardy than the Phllostachys you have.

Some clumping types are really attractive if you can get them to grow. With beautiful foliage and culms.

For those interested to try, Google Bamboo Gardens. They list all the running and clumping types that are hardy. They have some super rare types too.
I have Fargesia sp. 'Scabrida' rated to Zone 6. It's doing OK. It's in a spot where it receives no direct sunlight at all.
Most of the cold hardy clumpers do better with only morning sun, no afternoon sun at all. I plan to add more if the plant does OK, it's young, and I need to observe it longer. I really want to add some of the Fargesia sp. 'Jiuzhaigou' cultivars, but they are expensive, rated to zone 5. So if Scabrida does OK, I know I can add Jiuzhaigou.


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IKZ or Drew,

What do you think about bury a couple of blue plastic drums (55 gallons) to ground level and grow the hardy bamboo in them to contain their size. I am not sure how deep the roots go?

Tony

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The rhizomes would go over the top. But you can always cut those. Even if 1 foot out of the ground, they will go over it. Steel barriers are usually used to retain, most bamboo nurseries sell it. Otherwise it would probably work. For clumping it is not needed. The clump grows bigger, but the roots never leave the clump. You can control size with a shovel to trim around the edge. Also you can move sections to start another clump.


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awesome pics Tony!

did i miss bobs report on,rojobrillante? thats a graft that failed for me was looking forward to will,be regrafting this year.


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Persian,

Bob has not report on the Rojo Brillante yet. Hopefully soon.

Tony


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Tony thank you so much for the wonderful pictures, that’s amazing how you grow all these in your zone 5A! Great work!!!
Tony I have a question… I receive a tree about 4 ft. long I ordered from Just fruits and exotic (Jiro persimmon) which is in 3 Gal. container now, do you think I can plant it now outside (end of November), and cover it good, and wrap it around,? Or better to keep the tree in the garage until March and plant it in Spring? I live in New York, Staten Island zone 7, but actually I’m in zone between 6-7. Thanks.


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Leo,

I would over winter it in a garage and plant it next spring. This way atleast you know your tree will survive this winter.

Tony


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Thank You Tony, I''l keep in the garage, and will plant outside in spring. Thanks again!


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I am looking for some cuttings for grafting the Persimmon. I can trade some Fig tree cuttings


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Hi Tony,

Your fruit trees are so amazing! I am very interested in your Pawmoya as I used to eat a lot of custard apples when I was still living in Vietnam. Could you please tell me where to buy this tree? Can I buy 1 or 2 from you if you have any extra? Please email me at mapuu001@gmail.com.

Thanks,
Van


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Van.

I sent you an email.

Tony


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Tony,

I just found this conversation and read through but have no clue of what the Pawmoya is. When another poster, Van, mentioned custard apple in relate to the Pawmoya question, is that the same or similar to "mang cau"? And how hardy is this variety?


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Tom,

I found a wild Pawpaw that tasted like a Cherimoya and grafted to a seedling and I named it Pawmoya.

Tony


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Tony,

How hardy is it and does it taste like "mang cau", the popular tropical fruit in Southeast Asia? If it is, can I buy a rooted cutting from you if you have any to spare?

I admired your commitment in wrapping up the persimmons yearly. All hard work pays off when it's time to pluck the fruits!

From your pictures of the harvest, I'm tempted with the Ichi. Is there a chance to buy a small tree from you?

Tom


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Tom,

The Pawmoya so far handled the cold to -17F. It does taste similiar to "Mang Cau". Since I grafted the tree, the root cutting won't come true to the variety. You need to learn how to bark graft it. You can learn the bark graft technique on Youtube. In addition, you need to buy a couple of Pawpaw seedlings to use them as rootstock.
They are very slow grower. If you want to start them from seeds then I can give you some stratified (keep in the frig for 5 months) seeds next March. About the non-astringent Ichi Kaki persimmon, I bought it from Starkbros nursery about 7 years ago. I think you better buy it from them because if it winter killed then they will replace it for you the following year and you have to pay for shipping, and so far it handled -17F this past Winter with haft of the top died back and that is with wrapping. No fruit fruit this year due to the died back but the new shoots took off to 7 feet tall and 5 feet wide. Hopefully, it will be loaded with fruits next year. It will be safer if you want to grow the astringent hybrid persimmons like Rossyanka that can handled the cold to -20F or the Nikita's Gift cold hardy -12F( no died back) to -14F(with some died back).

Tony

This post was edited by tonytran on Wed, Jul 9, 14 at 15:58


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Tony,

So far, my clueless understanding is root stock A, bark grafted with cutting B gives tree C that bears fruits not quite like A nor B but combined the flavor as C? Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

Or the pawpaw just simply provide a more hardy root stock?

Is there any particular variety of Pawpaw seedling to be used in this bark graft? (And I also need to learn that as well). Should I buy the pawpaw seedling first before acquiring the Pawmoya cutting or rooted cutting from you?

And I definitely take up your stratified seeds offer. Thank you for your offer and advises. I'll be looking for the most hardy non-stringent persimmon though...


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Tom,

The reason we graft is to get the identical variety that we want. In this case is the Pawmoya.The root stock is use as a root system to feed the graft. That what is it all about. Growing fruit tree from a seed sometimes does not come true or the same as the parent tree. Grafting will give you the identical tree. yes, you need to buy the seedlings first and let it establish then graft. The best way is to buy t;he pottted pawpaw tree like Overlese, Shanandoah, or sesquelhana. They taste very good. Similiar to Mang Cau also.

Tony


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Tony,

Thank you for the advises.

I'll try to get the pawpaw seedling first then contact you again for your cuttings purchase.

Tom


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Tony,
Your Pawmoya sounds real good.I have some seedlings of the Kentucky Champion tree in their third year,to trade for scion or seeds.Early Spring is the best time to send and transplant,I think.Brady


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Brady,

Sure. Next Spring.

Tony


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Tony, I would like to know if you have persimmon scions avilable for trade or purchase. I live in the south and you have some varieties that I want to experiment with.


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David,

Get in line! I have dibs! (Just kidding....glad to see you on this forum as well).

Tony was very gracious in sending me scions this spring and in providing me some great advice as well.


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David,

Contact me next February to see If I can help. Take care.

Tony


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Tony,

I'm still pondering about planting the pawpaw in my backyard. I just don't want to find out 3, 4 years later that it's not what I want. Is there any chance that I can buy 1 or 2 fruits from you this year, just to try out?

Tom


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Tom,

You can order several of the Peterson's or other pawpaws at integration acres and their phone number is (740) 698-6060 or their email address is integrationacres.com . They know how to ship them well.

Tony


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hey Tony was wondering if you had any more scions for sale I would love one please I live in fl thanks


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Remind me next February.

Tony


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hey Tony was wondering if you had any more scions for sale I would love one please I live in fl thanks


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Tony,

Can you provide a link to your persimmon wrapping technique (with pictures) again? I remembered read through it but can't seem to find that again. Thanks.

Tom


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Hi Tom,

I attached it for you.

Tony

Here is a link that might be useful: Kaki winter protection


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Thanks Tony. Your winterized Asian persimmon tree instruction is good for my brother, who wants a persimmon BAD!

I've just put in an order with Burntridge Nursery for a Jiro and 4 pawpaw (Mango, Overleese, Pennsylvania and Subquehanna), to be split with my brother, delivery is in spring! Can't wait...

Tom


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Hi Tony,

Beautiful pics.

I see your photo of Snowqueen nectarine. Can I safely assume you grew that fruit & did not buy it at the grocery?

Seems like a silly question, but... most reports I've seen say that Snowqueen is one the most highly-rated nects for flavor, but is NOT cold hardy beyond Zone-7, which is why I have not attempted growing it on my vacation property in Zone-6b.

Are you growing Snowqueen in the ground in Zone-5A Nebraska? Did it survive this past winter?

If you are successfully fruiting Snowqueen in Zone-5A, then all bets are off!

How old is the tree? From where did you obtain it? Was the fruit richly flavored?

Thanks in advance for whatever information you can share. Cheers,

-Matt


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Hi Matt,

I like to push the envelope a bit on the cold hardy zone for fruit trees. I read about Snow Queen nectarine on Dave Wilson nursery web page and just want to try it out to see if it can handle my zone 5 even though it listed for zone 8-10. I got this tree from Duarte Nursery six years ago and it survived the -15F last winter without any protection. It did not produce any fruit this year due to the harsh winter. It has a nice rich nectarine flavor if not too much rain close to harvest time. BTW, I even grow Red Baron peach and it listed for zone 7-10. You just have to bite the bullet and try.

Here is a link that might be useful: Snow Queen nectarine at Duarte nursery


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Tony,
I love the zone stretching concept. You inspire me to do more of it. Great looking plants ! I'm not sure how you do it.


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