Shop Products
Houzz Logo Print
bkay2000

Pomegranates

bkay2000
11 years ago

I would like to have a bearing pomegranate bush. I'm in zone 8 and we have alkaline soil. My location has plenty of sun. I would like a suggestion for variety and vendor, as I will have to mail order.

Thanks,

bkay

Comments (39)

  • goyo626 S.Cal.8b/SZ20
    11 years ago

    Do not know much about pomegranates but check the dave wilson nursery youtube page, they have a video on some pom varieties. Might give you an idea of what you might like. I have tried to include the vid as link.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Pomegranate Vid

  • goyo626 S.Cal.8b/SZ20
    11 years ago

    Also, here is a previous thread which I found helpful when researching pomegranates.

    As for mail order vendors, I have used Bay laurel nursery and the trees were in great shape. I'm sure other more knowledgeable people can help you.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Old Thread

  • ediblelandscaping.sc
    11 years ago

    I can trade some dormant pom cuttings this fall, do you have any fig trees you can take cuttings from?

  • MrClint
    11 years ago

    Wonderful is the gold standard of pomegranates. If you live in an area that can grow poms, you should be able to pick one up for cheap during bare root season. If you don't live in pom country, it's hard to say how prolific or trouble free it (or any pom) will be.

  • bamboo_rabbit
    11 years ago

    Mrclint,

    Wonderful is marketed heavily and that is why it is so popular. The growers pick it more for it's pretty shape and color than it's taste. In blind taste tests Wonderful never is rated very well.

  • Scott F Smith
    11 years ago

    Bamboo, every taste test I have seen rated Wonderful pretty good. In fact I have heard grudging comments, like people were hoping it was worse because it was the standard variety. Its like the Bartlett pear, its incredibly common but you can't complain too much about its flavor. All varieties are pretty good. Parfianka and Angel Red seem to be the hot ones today, I think they both have soft seeds which makes easier eating.

    If you don't want to root one there are many nurseries selling pomegranates now. In Texas there is Womacks, in FL there is Just Fruits and Exotics, in GA there is Johnson Nursery, if you want exotic varieties try Rolling RIver, then there is Raintree, Bay Laurel, etc etc. I think most varieties are hardy in zone 8a.

    Scott

  • MrClint
    11 years ago

    You can believe it or not, but a dead ripe Wonderful pom is an exceptional piece of fruit. It is a well established, trouble free tree here in So Cal that actually precedes any of the marketing. Since Wonderful is the readily available gold standard, it is the rarer/newer varieties that need all the marketing.

    Good luck talking someone out of Wonderful pom if they already have a good one. :)

    Here is a link that might be useful: Pom Wonderful

  • bamboo_rabbit
    11 years ago

    MrClint,

    No need to get worked up over a piece of fruit.....all I said is in taste tests Wonderful does not do that well against other varieties, that is simply a FACT. It is the same as red delicious apples.....they are the picture of a perfect apple but taste bad. Wonderful does not taste bad they are quite a good variety, large and looks great but is far from the best.

    Not quite sure what your link is supposed to prove......if you ask Ford they will say their cars are the best:)

  • MrClint
    11 years ago

    Bamboo, providing another perspective is not the same as getting worked up. Everyone is free to try and track down "Surh Anor" pom because it scored a 7.8 on a taste test.

    The Pom link is there for anyone wanting to try a Wonderful Pom for themselves. There is a store locator in the link. The Wonderful poms can be bought at CostCo in boxes as well. They are not at all analogous to Red Delicious Apples.

  • houstontexas123
    11 years ago

    bought 2 tube sized, rooted cutting Angel Reds from forestfarms about 3 years ago. plenty of roots and grows very fast. the one i planted in ground is 6' tall. the one i kept in a 5 gal pot is about 3' tall and had 2 small fruits this year.

    tip: you only need to buy 1 of which ever varieties you're interested in. b/c they sucker a lot, and are pretty easy to root them.

  • houstontexas123
    11 years ago

    also, i've read Poms arent picky about soil, we have clay, and it still grows great.

  • Kevin Reilly
    11 years ago

    Would like to see the Wolfskill 2008 taste test results. All that seems to be around is Joe Reals individual scoring sheet. That study bamboo referenced was done in Texas, which may be good for OP since that is his location. I'd like to see the CA/Wolfskill results if anyone has them....

  • bamboo_rabbit
    11 years ago

    "Everyone is free to try and track down "Surh Anor".

    Greensea farms has Surh Anor as well as 50+ other varieties....

  • bamboo_rabbit
    11 years ago

    This is Harvey Correia's scoring. He is a well known pom enthusiast who runs a group on poms.

  • Scott F Smith
    11 years ago

    Thats more or less what I meant, it is generally liked. Its in the upper half of that last rating.

    Scott

  • bamboo_rabbit
    11 years ago

    Scott,

    Oh it is good....no doubt about it. But if a person just has room for a bush or two and want the best Wonderful might not be the choice for them. It is the same with citrus...you mention citrus people think navel oranges though they are far from the best tasting citrus. It is though a very pretty orange and big and tastes ok/good.

    I did not mean to start anything or imply Wonderful tasted bad. I was just trying to let people know there are better choices than Wonderful. I do grow wonderful as well as 14 or so other varieties of poms. I hope to get fruit next season. I have tasted 8 or so varieties of poms so far and to me Wonderful ranked about in the middle.

  • MrClint
    11 years ago

    Yes, Wonderful is still my recommendation because it is readily available, cheap, hardy, trouble free, is of excellent quality, and has been in North America since 1896. You can try it for yourself at a market near you, either fresh or as juice.

    Bamboo, what is your specific pom recommendation and why?

  • bamboo_rabbit
    11 years ago

    Mrclint,

    Wonderful is less hardy than many varieties of pom.

    Greensea has 50+ varieties of poms all are the same price....

    Most all poms are trouble free....

    Not sure what difference it is that Wonderful has been here since the 1800's....

    Wonderful is good quality not excellent according to the experts.

    I agree wonderful is very easy to get.

    I prefer Parfianka which I think is due to it's cherry aftertaste and I love cherries. Like I said I have only ever tasted 8 varieties and some of those that are ranked near the top I have not tasted but some of them I do have growing.

  • Kevin Reilly
    11 years ago

    Thanks for posting that chart bamboo.

  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA
    11 years ago

    Bamboo, not to step in it here :-) But why mrclint is probably alluding to with the Wonderful is it is the most commonly sold and grown pom here in S. California. It's funny, you can drive around anywhere, and if you keep your eyes peeled, you'll see one growing. Largely growing, just about everywhere. Kind of like everyone here has a Washington Navel orange tree in their yard. My neighbor whacked his back to a stump since it looked so terrible when he first moved in (previous owners were not watering it). It is 15' tall now, a year later and full of little fruits :-) Of course, dripping it helped a wee bit :-) They are very reliable here in our S. Calif. weather and grow well everywhere, from the coast to the desert. I don't have one (since my neighbor will have more than his share!), but do have Parfianka, Pink Silk, Red Silk, Red Angel, Eversweet, Sweet, Phil's Sweet and Utah, all of which are establishing very nicely, and looks like I might get fruit from Red Angel, it's blooming right now (rather odd, but I'll take it). They just love it here where I live, perfect climate for them. I prefer poms with soft seeds that I can eat. Hate spitting out the pits, so unlady-like :-) Parfianka is my favorite, too. Haven't tasted a lot either, but sure loved this one, so it has a special place in my garden. Plus, it stays more compact, so that's also a good thing for those with space limitations.

  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA
    11 years ago

    Bamboo, forgot to ask, does Green Sea have a web site? Can't seem to find one.

    Patty S.

  • bamboo_rabbit
    11 years ago

    Patty,

    No problems:) I understand it is widely grown in your neck of the woods. Most folks don't live in socal though and was just pointing out there are better tasting varieties. Some people get to be very loyal to the plants they grow instead of trying new plants with an open mind. I know I have you to blame for a few new citrus trees in my yard:)

    If Greensea has a website I don't have it. I have no affiliation with them btw though do plan on giving them some of my $ this fall for some new varieties. Cindy Weinstein emailed me the excel list of the cultivars they carry with the prices if anyone wants it just email me but here is what they carry. They have liners ($5), 1 gal ($10) and 3 gal ($25). greenseafarms@yahoo.com is their email address.

    �Hydranar x Kirmizy Kabuh
    Afganski
    Alk Pust Ghermez Saveh
    Al-Sirin-Nar
    Angel Red
    Apseronski
    Apseronski krasnyj
    Ariana
    Azadi
    Bala Miursal
    Big yellow
    Chandyr
    Christina
    Cloud
    Comb's Sweet
    Crab
    Cranberry
    Desertnyi
    Don Somner North
    Don Somner South
    Dotch Legrelley
    Double Red #2
    Double Red/White
    Dwarf �
    Dwarf(H)
    Dwarf(J)
    EG
    Entek habi saveh
    Eve(H)
    Eversweet
    Fleischman
    Gainey Sweet
    Garnet Sash
    Girkanets
    Gissarskii Rozovyi
    Grenada
    Haki-botan
    Herbert
    Kaim-anor
    Kaj-acik-anor
    Kara bala miursal
    Kasmir Blend
    Kazake
    Ki Zakuro
    King
    Knuduzski
    Larkin (Marianna)
    Mack Glass
    Mae
    Mae II
    Medovyi Vahsha
    Mejhos
    Mejhos 6269
    Molla Nepes
    Myagkosemyannyi Rosovyi
    Nikitski ranni
    Nikitski ranni
    Nochi Shibori
    Padgett
    Parfianka
    Parfyanka
    Pink
    Purple Heart
    Red Silk
    Rose
    Russian #8
    Saartuzski (Yalta)
    Sakerdze
    Salavatski
    Shari's
    Shirin Pust Ghermez Saveh
    Shirin Zigar
    Sin-Pepe
    Sirenevyi
    Southern Belle
    Surh-Anor
    Sweet
    Sweet
    Tabestani malas Biranden saveh
    Thomson
    Toryu-Shibori
    Treehouse Vietnam
    Vkusnyi
    WEO 42
    Wonderful
    Zubejda (Denau)

  • goyo626 S.Cal.8b/SZ20
    11 years ago

    Does any one know the differences between Parfianka and Parfyanka (besides the spelling)? Since they list both varieties there must be some difference between them, has anyone tried both of them and if so, what are the flavor profiles, seed hardness, etc of each?

  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA
    11 years ago

    Excellent, Bamboo. And I accept full blame on your citrus, lol!! Just chatted with Treesource (Griffith Farms, the propagator of the Dekopon mandarin), and patents are still firmly in place, boo. But, there are rumors of the shiranuhi or shiranui mandarin, which apparently is the same thing being propagated and available in Florida. So, check around, you might find it. I have a few new citrus going in the yard here, shortly, the Lee x Nova mandarin (which isn't available, yet, but got it from Treesource), 2nd best mandarin I've had behind the Seedless Kishu, the Fukumoto Navel, which has a very strong propensity to variegate, two special Satsumas, a replacement Tahitian Pummelo and a Femminello Santa Teresa Lemon (the "limoncello" lemon).

    Now, back to poms. Yes, it's easy to fall back on what's out there at all the retail outlets, and miss out on some other really exception varieties. Poms included. And for us out here in S. California, there isn't a pom we can't grow, and grow with essentially zero issues or pampering. If anything, we have to whack them back to keep them in check. They have virtually zero pests here. What would you say are your 3 top fav poms? I'm thinking of seeing if I can get a Sirenevyi and a Surh Anor. Maybe an Ink, too.

    Patty S.

  • bamboo_rabbit
    11 years ago

    Patty,

    "But, there are rumors of the shiranuhi or shiranui mandarin, which apparently is the same thing being propagated and available in Florida. So, check around, you might find it".

    Already did find it:) shiranui was added late this spring.

    Here in Florida we have no pest problems on the poms either. Our problem is getting the fruit to ripen without splitting from our abundant rain during the ripening period.

    Far as the top 3 poms I have tried.........I would have Parfianka, Desertnyi and Vietnam. Vietnam is very very sweet with to me a passion fruit type flavor. On the list it is called Big yellow. Unlike the rest of the poms on the list it is a evergreen type which according to Dr. Castle comes from India. It is called Vietnam as a Vietnamese gentleman gave it to the grower. I have never seen it on a taste test list. I like it so much I have 5 of them.

  • MrClint
    11 years ago

    Crikey! What do you folks do with so many poms ripening at the same time? :)

    I know Angel Red is early, finishing up about the time that Wonderful starts, but otherwise most everything ripens at the same time as Wonderful. Hence the taste tests have all the varieties at once.

    I planted an Angel Red but can't recommend it yet - it is young and I don't have the decades of history that I have with Wonderful.

  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA
    11 years ago

    Well, Bamboo, you lucky dog, you. We are still waiting for UC Riverside to find some budwood. I was hoping to see it this fall with the CCPP budwood offering, but no go. I will try to email Green Sea and see if they can ship to California. Definitely will consider adding these to my pom line up.

    Patty S.

  • bamboo_rabbit
    11 years ago

    Patty,

    I was very happy to find the Dekopon, also added a gold nugget and two Kishu....they are small after all:)

    I'm not sure if Greensea ships or not.

  • maryhawkins99
    11 years ago

    Wonderfull is still the variety Texas A&M recommends for McKinney. It grew well for me, always fruited, but always tasted bitter; ok for juicing if you add sugar, but not for fresh eating. My soil here is extremely alkaline, maybe that's why its so bitter, I hear other posters around the country say Wonderfull is great. But I took mine out after 6 years.

    I've tried a dozen varieties and they all tasted bitter until this year my Eversweet is really good; dozens of fruit, sweet, soft seeds. I also had one Desertnyi pom last year that was great, I'm waiting for more this year. Parfianka was extremely bitter

    Most of my poms are still ripening, they all seem to be doing better this year. Perhaps the trees have matured. Or perhaps it's the weather, we had very few chill hours this year, a very warm March, & no April freeze. It's a bad year for pears though, even my reliable keiffer just has a few pears on it.

    Richard Ashton of Oak Creek Orchards in Brownwood Tx writes a lot about poms & is very high on the Sunbar & another varietie he's named himself, whose name escapes me. Both are recent Russian introductions from Dr Levin. I have both planted, in their 1st leaf, no fruit yet.

    Good nurseries are Doan's in Irving; Womack's in Tx, though they have a minimum; Bay Laurel, & Raintree.

  • rajivshorey
    11 years ago

    Wonderful pomegranate is among the WORST I have tasted. The tree bears heavily, has good size, good looking fruit, fairly disease resitant. But it has ONE BIG problem. It has a lingering bad after-taste, rendering it among the worst.
    I would also avoid the sweet and semi-sweet varieties, because they are bland with no sweet-tart balance. So far among the ones I have grown and tasted, Desertnyi is good.

  • Scott F Smith
    11 years ago

    Bamboo, let us know if Greensea is shipping, it was not mentioned on their little web listing I found. They have an amazing variety selection.

    Scott

  • groem
    11 years ago

    I figured I was to cold to have a pomegranate, but stumbled On to the willis orchards web site. They have a "Utah sweet" pomegranate, that is listed to hardy to zone 6. So I think hey im in zone 6 and in Utah how appropriate. Does any one have any experience with this variety? How long does it take for the fruit to ripen?

  • bamboo_rabbit
    11 years ago

    Scott,

    Will do. I plan on picking my plants up in person but I will ask. Greensea is part of the same University of Florida pom study I am except they took every single pom variety the University offered.....I just took 12 types.

  • armyofda12mnkeys
    11 years ago

    Hey all,
    I got like 11 varieties from Green Sea this summer.
    They post what varieties they have on a localharvest site with their email/phone listed:
    Cindy can send a Word Doc of their stock. (I would call as their is a bit delay with email)
    All my plants were great (I got $20 3gallons and some $8 starters):
    http://www.localharvest.org/green-sea-farms-M36650

    -Arian

  • happyballz
    11 years ago

    Found some more tasting results from University of Florida.

    Surprisingly many varieties that get high praises from previous tests did not do so well. Interesting none the less.

    http://www.crec.ifas.ufl.edu/extension/pomegranates/

    http://www.crec.ifas.ufl.edu/extension/pomegranates/pdfs/taste_tables.pdf

    I was thinking of getting Parfianka, Sin Pepe, Surh Anor, Salvatski, and Angel Red. Now I don't even know. hah

  • manny8077
    10 years ago

    i dont know what type of pomegranate this is

  • santo379
    10 years ago

    I ordered a Christina Pomegranate from Florida. Anybody knows if it tastes good?

Sponsored
Hoppy Design & Build
Average rating: 5 out of 5 stars9 Reviews
Northern VA Award-Winning Deck ,Patio, & Landscape Design Build Firm