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| To anyone who cares and was following Lychee's squirrel thread:
I left the trap too long and the water got rancid. Who knows what the squirrels excreted while drowning and the noon temps here are over 100 degrees. The seeds that were still floating were moldy. It stunk. In the first few days of setting the trap I got 5 squirrels. At least one had eluded me. I didn't know if it was smart enough to not enter the trap after watching the other 5 die or if the trap just was too stinky to jump into. Yesterday I dumped the stank-water, cleaned the bucket, moved it to a new area under the pear tree where the last squirrel was most active and re-baited it. Today I caught maybe the last one. I will continue to keep the trap baited and clean for a week or so just to make sure the whole colony has been exterminated. Just wanted to follow up and let everyone know that the trap needs to be cleaned periodically. And the squirrels aren't smart enough to learn. |
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- Posted by theaceofspades 7 Long Island (My Page) on Fri, Aug 22, 08 at 21:24
| Do the retired furry thieves make it into the compost pile? Funny how the Greenies never mention that. Earth worms have rights too! |
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- Posted by delta9dave 6/7/8 (My Page) on Sat, Aug 23, 08 at 1:54
| I don't touch them. I have an old rusty fruit-picking pole thing that I use to fish them out of the bucket. Then straight to the dumpster. In this state they carry the fleas that carry the plague. |
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| Delta9dave: Could you give a brief explanation of your setup. Some of us were too turned off by the earlier thread to catch the details. Thank you!! The Fruitnut |
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- Posted by delta9dave (My Page) on Sat, Aug 23, 08 at 13:21
| I found the original thread in a different forum. They used a 5 gallon bucket to catch gophers. I used a 32 gallon trash can for the squirrels. Fill a little less than half full with water, float about a pound of black oil sunflower seeds on the surface of the water and scatter a handful of seeds on the ground around the bucket. Put some sort of ramp to climb up the bucket. One of the branches I used has a small branch through the handle of the bucket. The other branch is wedged under that one for stability. If you use 2X4's I would suggest tying them to the handles. My wife laughed at me after I set it up and said no animal would be dumb enough to fall for that. |
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| This thread almost seems like it's being posted to refresh the earlier debate. Especially since there really isn't much of anything that hadn't already been mentioned. It seemed like many of the posters in the earlier thread really didn't want to actually consider alternate opinions or even read what some of the other posters posted before responding. I think a few of the posters even wanted to express their pro-death-by-torture viewpoint without any feedback from those with other views. I know, at least in my case, a few of the people that responded to my posts insisted they knew more about what I meant than I did. I also got emails from people that felt like the pro-death-by-torture posters were rude and very unfriendly. It's kind of ashame in my opinion that people would insist on expressing views that were repugnant to many AND, at the same time, discourage those with other viewpoints from participating. I guess since the "pro squirrel torture" conversation is starting back, there should be room for the opposite view. I can't really properly represent the many people that don't think squirrels should ever be killed, but, since some of you guys tried hard to run the people with that view off, I guess I should at least put a word in for them. Many people think this "bucket of death" is not only unnecessary but also inhumane. If you post extremely controversial viewpoints in the forum or add to those types of conversations, you surely can't expect only those that agree to respond. |
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- Posted by delta9dave 6/7/8 (My Page) on Sun, Aug 24, 08 at 0:39
| Brandon7, You’re right, and I apologize to you or anyone else who may have found my previous posts offensive. I reposted the "bucket of death" because it was an experiment and there were updates for anyone that was interested. I didn’t give it that name. I was skeptical of the idea at first but the speed and efficiency of the trap is impressive. Lychee’s original post was asking for help in getting rid of squirrels. Lot’s of ideas were presented. Whether they were good or bad ideas was left open to the reader. If you think death is not an option and you have an alternative method for ridding a property of squirrels then please feel free to post it here. There is always room for an opposite view and no one should ever feel discouraged from expressing theirs. That’s the beauty of the Garden Web Forums. However, hijacking someone else’s thread with dozen’s of off-topic posts and changing it from a rodent problem to global warming issue is a different matter. There are many problems facing people of every culture. We can’t solve them all on one squirrely thread in one "Fruit and Orchard" forum. Squirrel Lovers. So as a public service for the benefit off all humanity I am contributing the following Q&A section. It contains FAQ about squirrel lovers. It is a culmination of years of dedicated research. It’s a hobby of mine, no need to reply and thank me. Q: What do you get when you offer a squirrel lover a penny for his thoughts? |
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- Posted by tomatozilla 10 (My Page) on Sun, Aug 24, 08 at 2:11
| Thanks D9D, I needed that :) |
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| Dave, I'm not a "squirrel lover", but I'm wondering what this obsession you have with them and is all about. I guess most people find squirrels cute, at least until they eat those people's plants/fruit/electrical wiring. Maybe one or two of the posters in the original thread were "squirrel lovers", but you'd have to ask them about that. My problem with your post is two fold. First, the method you use to address your squirrel problem is, in my opinion, a very poor one for multiple reasons. Secondly, and probably much more importantly, is that things about your posts are offensive to many people here on the forum. The things that have been brought up like global warming (I never did figure out why in the world that one was brought up)(and yes, I know you weren't the one that brought it up), the way you enjoy watching animals die, and the "squirrel lovers" jokes are probably not appropriate for this forum. They aren't related to fruit, orchards, or anything grown in orchards. When things are brought up in a forum that are just plain wrong or personal, sometimes they have to be addressed. But introducing them into the forum in the first place is really not appropriate. The nature of these squirrel posts have become distractive and seem more and more to be here only to cause irritation or controversy. |
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| BTW Y'all, The bucked of death works for mice too. Five gallon bucket, and some uncooked oats. I kinda prefer the snap trap myself. Something satisfying about not needing to check the trap, cause you can hear the snap. Except for when all 5 traps snap right after bed and then you've got to get up and re-set them all. End Trans |
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| Just had another thought. If your sensitivities are upset when letting a squirrel drown, I suppose you could get a pellet pistol. I do not, however, know what kind of ricochet ya might get from the water in the bucket of death, so there's my disclaimer. Can't be any harder than shooting fish in a barrel, can it? |
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| Brandon........ #1 You only speak for yourself on this forum as everyone else does. #2 Who are you to tell me what is morally right, humane,etc? #3 What is offensive is your trying to hijack the thread. We're here as fruit growers not moralist, |
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| Dave, BTW it works on chipmunks too. Bonnan |
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| We used to chase chipmunks at the golf course, with a gallon glass bottle full of water. Chase em into the hole, dump the water in, and they come bailing back out thinking they're gonna drown. Keep the bottle on the hole and they pop right up into it. They can't get back out of a glass bottle till ya set them on the ground or dump them out. HOURS of fun for 8 year old boys. Brandon, go back and read some of the posts in the other thread. They hate the squirrels because they ruin ENTIRE CROPS. They don't just take a little, or enough, they ruin the entire thing, every time, and most is left to rot. That's a waste, not killin and grillin a squirrel. d |
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- Posted by allenwrench 6 (My Page) on Tue, Aug 26, 08 at 15:46
| When I saw my Asian pear trees decimated by the deer from last nights ravaging I thought about you this morning d9d as well as our friend the squirrel harassed, BB gun toting, nectarine grower. Glad you are making headway and thanks for the updates. |
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| allenwrench, You're going to need a much bigger garbage can to catch deer :D |
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| Allenwrench, let me know where you live, I'll send my neighbor lady right over. She has the worst luck with deer -- she hit three within one year with her car, which she had had for only 3 months, bought new, when she hit the first one. Her insurance agent about had a coronary with the second one, and was sort of numb and resigned by the third one. None of them were her fault, the dumb things literally leapt out of the underbrush into her car, one of them land smack on top of it right behind the windshield before flying off sideways -- this on a PT Cruiser. Hey, all, I picked three bushels of peaches off of ONE of my 12 peach trees yesterday. Lots of all kinds of good fruit this year, and the least damage in years, since almost all of the squirrels in my neighborhood have been removed a few miles down the road to the community college nature preserve. I'm very convinced that a constant trap and remove OR eliminate campaign will go a long way towards making a good garden. Deer, of course, are too big to trap, and illegal to kill in most areas most times of the year, so that's still a problem -- good fences around the trees are the best solution I've come up with. I wonder what tastes better, a tree ripened peach or self-righteousness? I vote for the peach. Dennis |
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| Bonnan........ #1 You only speak for yourself on this forum as everyone else does also. You don't even come close to speaking for me or any number of other participants of this forum. Some of which have expressed to me their feeling of being offended by these controversial posts and some respondents who were just plain rude. Just a hand full of bad apples can indeed spoil the batch. #2a I certainly didn't attempt to tell anyone what was "morally right". However, now that you mention it, I would guess that most people would agree that treating animals in an inhumane way was morally wrong. I'll leave it up to you to decide what you personally think is morally wrong, but you should also never make the mistake of thinking you can make that decision for me either. Just because you don't seem to see any problem with animal needless suffering, doesn't mean you get to limit the conversation as such. If you post to or read a controversial topic, expect others to have different opinions. #2b The humane/inhumane part is a little different. While many of the things mentioned in this thread might fall somewhere in the gray area of "humane/inhumane", that's certainly not the case with the entire discussion. Intentionally causing unnecessary pain and suffering to animals is inhumane by definition. You may disagree about what is unnecessary, but that doesn't mean that anything goes. I believe every state has laws about the inhumane treatment of animals, and some of what's been posted in these threads would clearly fall into the area of criminal behavior in many areas. Because I know that you will be tempted to blindly assume I am talking about everything mentioned, I will go ahead and point out that I am only talking about the extremes recommended in some of the posts. As I've clearly expressed from the beginning, I realize that unfortunately some instances may call for a response that includes the death of animals. #3 I happen to think you are 100 percent wrong here. In fact, I think it's people who are rude (much as you just were) that are offensive. When people (like you) make other people feel uncomfortable by posting controversial thoughts in a rude manner, YOU are the offensive one! It's quite apparent that you weren't posting as anything about fruit. And that brings about the point I was making above. This whole subject may have been a little overly discussed for the good of the forum. Many participants, including many regulars have been made to feel uncomfortable. |
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| Deltadave- keep up the good work. You're an inspiration to us all. Brandon- the Survivors of Parental Incest Support Group forum you are looking for is on a different website. |
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| Fruithack- grow up! Small children shouldn't be playing on this site. |
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- Posted by delta9dave 6-7-8 (My Page) on Thu, Aug 28, 08 at 21:16
| Hey Everybody, Thanks for the replies and the additional information. This thread is for help and advice about killing things. Any advice on killing squirrels, gophers, mice, moles, chipmunks, deer, or bear is welcome here. Any non-gun ideas on how to kill ravens would also be welcome here. But please don't turn my thread into a Brandon7 bashing forum. Brandon7 is a person with very strong morals, principles, values and opinions. His ideas are also welcome here. If you want to slam the guy start your own thread. I always enjoy a good sparring match, and he seems to be able to hold his own. BTW, I forgot a couple things from a previous entry. Q: How long does it take a female squirrel lover to take a dump? |
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- Posted by delta9dave 6-7-8 (My Page) on Thu, Aug 28, 08 at 21:25
| Love the gallon jug idea. Can't wait for my kids to get old enough to teach them. Thanks. |
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| I actually don't have a problem killing nuisance squirrels, but nevertheless, a couple of you on here are real pricks (and I don't mean Brandon). |
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| Posted by dghays Z10A FL Brevard (My Page) on Fri, Aug 29, 08 at 13:20 "I actually don't have a problem killing nuisance squirrels, but nevertheless, a couple of you on here are real pricks" DeGays, I'm not familiar with homoculture, is that a compliment? |
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