You might try St.Lawrence Nurseries in New York.They have many older varieties of apples.Unfortunitly they don't have their catalog on line after their season ends.I have a catalog and it shows Ashmeads.Try getting their phone number and calling them.Or maybe send them an email.

Consider ordering from Fedco trees in Maine. They carry heirloom apples hardy to your area, including the ones you mentioned. Their catalog appears in early fall for spring ordering.

Here is a link that might be useful: Fedco Trees

This post was edited by swampsnaggs on Wed, Aug 13, 14 at 19:24

If you are looking to try eating (as opposed to growing) heirloom apples, you may want to check out OrangePippins orchard directory for the state.

Kinniguy I have some antique varieties in my nursery. Trees are on cold hardy, semi dwarf rootstock. I am located in Nebraska. Feel free to email me if you are interested in talking apples. My email address is on my info page.