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Tue, Oct 28, 14 at 9:13
| It seems all the American persimmons are large, to 50-60'. Any cultivated trees that grow smaller? I'd like it no more than 30'. I'd like to grow persimmons. But Asian varieties are in general hardy to Zone 6. So I'm only borderline hardy..... |
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| RS, It would take a long time for a persimmon to reach 50-60 ft. Oldest grafted American persimmon I have here is about 18 yrs old. It's maybe 15 ft tall - and growing in a favorable spot. Some, planted in less desirable spots(shelf of bedrock about 6" down) are, at best, 8-10 ft at similar age. |
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| I did not know they grow this slowly. So how long does it take for seedling to set fruits? Some the seedlings are very cheap. They are good just as landscape trees.... |
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| I've read that seedlings can take 7 - 10 years to fruit. |
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- Posted by flatwoods_farm 9A Riverview, F (My Page) on Tue, Oct 28, 14 at 11:35
| You can keep them at any size by pruning. Seedlings are unknown sex, so you might consider grafted specimens of known sex. ( Hi, Lucky ). |
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| Yep. 7-10 yrs sounds about right - and, you've got a 50/50 chance of any particular seedling being a non-fruiting male. Even if you planted a half-dozen, with my luck, they'd all turn out to be males! Better to plant a grafted fruiting selection and get known fruit quality in half the time, or less, that you'd be waiting for a seedling to grow through its juvenile period. If you want Asian types, there are a number that should be reliably winter hardy in your area...Saijo, Sheng, Great Wall.. probably others that folks on this board can name. |
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| Most of my American persimmon trees appear to me to have a dwarfed growth habit - I do some pruning, but they clearly have a natural inclination to favor fruiting over growth, similar to what I see with the Asian persimmons. These are all grafted trees and I wonder if being on a foreign rootstock triggers this dwarfing tendency - wouldn't expect these trees to ever grow taller than 25 feet. Now I have one tree, an H69A, which was grafted not by me so I don't know the rootstock and is my largest and tallest persimmon at 15 - 20 feet, that clearly favors growth over fruiting, yielding about three fruits yearly. This one I could see becoming a large tree one day. |
This post was edited by creekweb on Thu, Oct 30, 14 at 11:31
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| I have seen persimmons that achieved that 50-60 ft stature - but they were, invariably, growing in a high stem-density forest setting, and HAD to grow straight up to compete with surrounding trees for available sunlight. Might be 30 ft to the first limb on some of those big old trees. Open-grown persimmons, as most of us will be tending for fruit, tend more toward a spreading, 'orchard-tree'-type habit; not unlike most of the apples I have here on a semi-dwarfing rootstocks. |
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