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Peach Tree Nitrogen Deficiency in October?

Posted by Towsonite 7a(MD) (My Page) on
Fri, Oct 4, 13 at 14:11

My peach tree that I planted a little over a weeks ago is showing reddish spots very similar to what I saw on a UC Davis agg site as likely being a nitrogen deficiency:

http://fruitandnuteducation.ucdavis.edu/education/fruitnutproduction/P eachNectarine/Peach_Nectarine_Pests/Peach_Nectarine_Deficiencies/

At this time of year, early October in Zone 7a, would you just ignore it until the spring? First frost date here is generally early to mid-November, so I'm obviously hesitant about giving it any fertilizer, much less a dose of Nitrogen.

On the other hand I have a tendency to over-water, so could I be drowning the poor guy? I've been watering heavily about every four days because we have a drought going on and relatively high temps for this time of year. I'd say our ground in that area is moderate draining, our ground is more sand than pebbles and clay, but a little bit of all.

The spots only showed up recently.


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RE: Peach Tree Nitrogen Deficiency in October?

  • Posted by fruitnut z7b-8a,4500ft SW TX (My Page) on
    Fri, Oct 4, 13 at 17:08

I'd likely ignore the nitrogen issue this fall. But if the tree isn't growing, applying some nitrogen won't hurt. You are just down the road from Scott and the winter weather there is pretty mild.

I won't ignore the potential over watering issue. You only need to rewet the rootball that was planted. You aren't trying to recharge the water table. So ease off on the water. When watering a newly planted, potted tree, frequent small waterings to rewet the rootball is the right approach. One gallon will do that.


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Contrary to the literature, I have not found post-Aug Nitrogen applications capable of stimulating new growth and even Aug applications only cause rank growth on branch tips- the rest of the tree seems to harden off in a manner unaffected by the late growth. I wish someone would do some research on this issue because I feel it is one of those things that gets repeated by academics without any specific research to back it up.

Now, on your question, I agree with FN that there is no point in fertilizing now and also that it wouldn't hurt, might even help a tiny bit by getting some into the buds for a slightly quicker spring flush although I don't notice this affect on fall fertilizing of peaches. Probably just as well to wait until first growth in spring and then supply another application in early summer.

With trees in potting soil it is easy for them to dry out when first transplanted and that could cause a quick change in leaf color- so it could just as well be too little water as too much. If finer soil around the coarse texture of potting soil is dry it will suck out any water from the potting soil by capillary pull drying it very quickly. At the same time, the coarser mix can't pull water from finer soil. This is a complication with planting potted trees. With peaches I find bare root trees tend to establish faster.


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Any tree stimulated to grow in the fall will be vulnerable to frost damage in the winter because the new stimulation will slow the dormancy reaction. Let it go dormant and then stimulate in the spring.

Here is a link that might be useful: Garden For Nutrition


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RE: Peach Tree Nitrogen Deficiency in October?

Green Garden, I'm well aware of the theory- that is my point. The theory is often stated without any clear evidence of what the cutoff is in creating this kind of reaction and to what extent does it actually affect hardening off of the entire tree.

I've seen the result of drought here where rain comes in mid-Aug and causes a sudden burst of growth on many trees in my nursery of many species of fruit followed by a harsh winter with temps in the -15 to -18 degree F. range. The only damage has been to those growing tips. How is this different than a nitrogen application? When it rains after drought there is a burst of available N along with the water in any soil with an appreciable amount of organic matter.

Carl Whitcomb disputes this theory in his book "The Establishment and Maintenance of Landscape Plants" where he states that N. is incapable of taking plants out of their normal cycle of dormancy after late summer. He is an advocate of fall fertilization of trees. Google his name to learn more.

I regularly fertilize fruit trees with a shot of N in Sept and Oct and it never leads to a burst of new growth. Hundreds of trees-many sites. Just did over 100 container trees with urea yesterday.


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  • Posted by murky z8f pnw Portlan (My Page) on
    Sat, Oct 5, 13 at 12:36

Funny, I often hear advice not to water after a certain date, but here near Portland, Oregon the rain keeps the soil moist from September to July.


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RE: Peach Tree Nitrogen Deficiency in October?

Well I think the claim is that the trees head to dormancy earlier in dry soil and survive harsh winters better- not much an issue in Portland.

Winter hardiness is not a completely understood phenomena (and I'm not just talking about myself).


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RE: Peach Tree Nitrogen Deficiency in October?

Spots this time of year is bacterial spot. The leaves are getting ready to fall and the plant slows down feeding them nutrients and they become very susceptible to diseases. Don't worry about it.

Scott


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