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Soil to build up grape rows + mulch question

Posted by hungryfrozencanuck 4a (My Page) on
Sun, Oct 26, 14 at 20:18

Hello,

So again, I will start off by saying I don't have ideal soil for grapes. Fairly heavy clay that can be a bit waterlogged in the spring and fall. That said some of my varieties (concord, polar green) are growing like gangbusters despite this.

We can not use chemical herbicides in my community. I have 2 x 50 foot rows of table grapes. I am laying down black landscape fabric to help with weed/grass control and have 2 questions.

1) All grapes are planted in 3 food diameter mounds that were dug down 3 feet with the clay edges well scored. I was thinking that since I am laying down the fabric, what about laying down a raised mound the entire length of the row to give some roots a chance to grow above the wet area in the spring and fall. Is this a good idea? What sort of soil should I use - 3:1 planting soil for trees, compost, plain old garden soil? I was planning on just dumping it over the existing grass and covering with the landscape fabric and allow the worms to incorporate. Should I rototill to break up the grass and disrupt the clay/surface dirt transition or can I just let humidity and the worms take care of it?

2) What should I put (if anything) on top of the landscape fabric? I think it should be covered at least during winter to improve survivability and attempt to delay bud break for late frosts in the spring (that black will heat up fast). But then I might want the black exposed for our short growing season to give a heat boost for the vines. What do you think? Hay for the winter and remove in spring. Bark multch year round? other?

Thanks for your help.


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RE: Soil to build up grape rows + mulch question

  • Posted by fruitnut z7b-8a,4500ft SW TX (My Page) on
    Sun, Oct 26, 14 at 20:36

A mound is a good idea. It can be dumped on grass. Won't take long for grape roots to gain a foothold in the new soil. Anything that drains well can be used. I'd vote for a good garden soil if you have it. Something that will last and not just decompose and settle in a couple yrs.

Warming the soil some is a good idea. I like the hay in winter bare in summer. Just be sure you aren't making a home for voles or mice. Either could live under fabric or hay and chew on the vines.


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RE: Soil to build up grape rows + mulch question

We have good luck growing grapes on hills with good drainage here. Something I learned the hard way is that the new plants in Kansas like an old hillside made up with what I consider to not be the best dirt. I grew them in the bottoms and quickly learned they don't like their feet wet. Then I added a bunch of aged cow manure and compost to their ground and found they don't care for that when they are small new plants. Then when I tried growing them in old clay/loam with no fertilizer they loved it. I went back two years later and gave them some old cow manure and they now produce gallons and gallons of excellent fruit every year. What everyone told me to do which was give them plenty of fertility and water just didn't work for me. One day I thought about vineyards and everyone I'd ever seen had grapes growing on a hill made up of primarily poor soil. I went home and duplicated that concept and had good luck ever since.


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RE: Soil to build up grape rows + mulch question

Let me point out what I'm calling poor soil is very high in minerals. Clay is high mineral soil it's that the minerals are not readily available to plants without the introduction of magnesium etc.


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