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hardy pomegranate recomendations (from UC davis)

Posted by quinoah 7b (My Page) on
Tue, Nov 8, 11 at 0:25

hello fruit growers!

are there any poms from UC davis which are a must-have regarding hardiness?
I already have kazake and salavatski which are often recommended. I don't need big fruits, profuse and early fruiting are more important.
there are so many poms in their list with names I cannot even spell, so I don't know which to choose.

thanks!


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RE: hardy pomegranate recomendations (from UC davis)

Here are some relevant links on some threads on the cold-hardy/hard-seeded poms that the good folks at Yahoo POM boards mentioned survived temps of 0F/-6F in Bryon,GA (Thanks to Harvey Correia):

Can't paste yahoo links apparently, maybe these shortcuts will work.
http://tinyurl.com/7evuzq2
http://tinyurl.com/7dcpyt9

Not sure which is best tastewise, but I am collecting as many as I can to experiment around 6B/Philadelphia myself to see what lives and what dies... survival of the fittest hehe.

-Arian


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There is also a good list in Ashton's excellent Pomegranates book: Kazake, DK from Shevlan, Kaj-acik-anor, Salavatski, Surh-anor, Al-shirin-nar, Sakerdze, Bala Myursal, Nikitski ranni, Entek Habi Saveh, Krmyzy-kabuh, Apsheronsky Krasny, Kara bala Myursal, Papershell, Skerdze, Karakalinsky, Iranian varieties. I have heard several independent reports that Kazake is the hardiest. Ashton also has a report from the old Byron study later in his book (Chapter XI).

I currently have five varieties and all have proven hardy for me: Medovyi Vashi, Kazake, R-8 (Salavatski?), R-14 (Krymyzy-kabuh?), Angel Red. The last one I had no hardiness data on but I wanted to try it out due to the popularity of its taste and the early harvest time. Note that for cold climates the harvest date is as important as the hardiness, there is nothing worse than watching the unripe fruits get frozen out in the fall (like my yellow kiwis are doing right now). Medovyi Vashi I picked because it ripens very early; it is not known hardy but is doing OK for me.

I got my first fruit this year, a Salavatski. It was very good, I am looking forward to more pomegranates!

Scott


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Hey Scott,
Were you protecting your pomegranates?
I remember one guy put bubble foil insulation around all his.

Im putting my 1st years in the shed, maybe with miminal burlap protection. if they survive. They go in ground next year

-Arian


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Here in NM, most pomegranate varieties can survive subzero temps without protection, but are often killed to the ground. I had three little ones survive subzero in the ground three winters ago, then potted them up, and have been overwintering them in the garage last two winters.

This year had around a dozen fruit. Wonderful much better than cuttings of unknown variety (possibly Utah Sweet), but had to bring plant inside to ripen last few. This seems to be a great way to grow pomegranates in my marginal area though: ultimate control over the plants and their growing environment, and very low care/space saving winter setup.

...however, still aching to try getting fruit from some in the ground. It has always struck me as strange that figs are commonly grown in way-too-cold climates by being covered in winter, but I've not heard of this for pomegranates. They are shrubs after all, and can be easily wrapped/mulched and protected from the cold. Early leaf-out/late spring frosts, and ripening time would probably be main concerns.


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This spring I planted:

Afganski
Azadi
Desertnyi
Gissarskii Rozovyi
Grenada
Nikitski ranni
Parfyanka
Sakerdze
Salavatski
Shirin Zigar
Sin-Pepe
Vkusnyi
Wonderful
Russian #8
11 Vietnam (Big yellow)

Most are in a 200 foot long hedge and part of a University of Florida study. I hope they do ok here come winter but we can get down in to the mid 20's some years.


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Arian, I protected them with aluminum bubble foil their first year but the last winter I left them fully exposed and got no damage. It didn't get below 0F.

Scott


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Im also in 7b, have planted 10 types, and almost never have die back. Yet half don't ripen before winter. The other half produce bitter fruit. I suspect my very alkaline soil isn't good for pomegranates.

I still have hopes for my Texas red, Texas pink, and sweet. The sweet has produced a couple very good pom's but hasnt been very productive. I also suspect that a very very late freeze will kill most to the ground


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Bhawkins,

Could you list what 10 types you grow?


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The soil is alkaline in NM too, but some of the best-tasting pomegranates are grown here...


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At my house, I grow Wonderful (12/2006), Russian (Edible Landscape 5/07), Sweet (2/09), Parfianka (2/09), Desertnyl (2/09), Eversweet (2/09), Pink Satin (3/09), Grenada(2/11), Fleschmann (2/2011), Texas Red (11/11). All get 8+ hours of sun.

At my old office, Phils Sweet (5/07), Russian (5/07), Sweet (4/08), Angel Red (4/08), Grenada (4/08), Ambrosia (4/09), Lots of shade here.

New office: Angel Red (2/10), Desertnyl (3/10), Eversweet (3/10), Garnet Sash 9Parfianka) (2/20), Grenada (2/2010), Sweet (2/10), TexasPink(1/10). Lots of sun.

Re Alkalinity: Richard Ashton's website says some references state poms like acidic to neutral soil, but he believes slightly alkaline is OK. To plant some shrubs beside my house I had to rent a jackhammer to cut through the limestone 6" beneath the soil. The poms have more soil, but Im sure the limestones underneath.

One of the better Nurseries here, Doans, has stopped selling Wonderfull because they taste bitter. They still sell Sweet.


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Bhawkins,

Thanks, that makes me feel better on the winter die back as I was worried about that.

Far as the PH..mine seemed happier and definitely perked up when I limed them. The soil here is slightly acidic and the irrigation water slightly alkaline.


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I know this is an older thread, but I was wondering if bhawkins or bamboo rabbit could give us an update on how their varieties are doing...


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Wow Scott Smith...I had no idea pomegranates could truly be grown in Maryland!


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Well appleseed they didn't do too well last winter.. I got a lot of dieback. Nothing died, just dieback.

Overall my poms have been producing a lot of wood but not a lot of fruit (so far). One year Kazake had a lot of fruit, and I am hoping as the trees get bigger they will do better.

Scott


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  • Posted by skyjs z8 OR, USA (My Page) on
    Thu, Oct 23, 14 at 1:59

A guy I know here in the Portland OR area who grows it told me that he grows a few varieties and "Sweet" is the only one that produces good fruit and doesn't get hammered. We are zone 8b-9a. Our issue is not cold so much, but rather soggy disease ridden winter and spring weather.
JohN S
PDX OR


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