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| I got a couple persimmon pits-seeds, from my neighbors tree. I planted them in pots and one grew into a tree. It must be self pollinating because it had a few fruits on it this year. The parent tree is cut down. I don't know of another tree in the area. I went out the other day to check the fruit. It has froze hard sothey were mush,, but very sweet. Strange thing to me though there were no pits-seeds inside? Why is this? Thanks. |
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- Posted by ForestAndFarm 7A (My Page) on Thu, Nov 27, 14 at 22:34
| Persimmons are insect pollenated so the pollinating tree can be quite far away. If we are talking about American persimmons, there are several races. When a tree is pollenated by another race, the fruit is sometimes seedless. I don't believe any American persimmons are truly self-fertile. Originally they thought Meader was but that is no longer believed to be the case. if you search these threads you will find a post someone made that was a very cogent explanation of Jerry Lehman's view on Meader. |
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- Posted by Bear_With_Me 8 Pacific NW (My Page) on Thu, Nov 27, 14 at 23:12
| I wonder, if there was no pit or seed inside, maybe these fruits formed without pollination, like some Asian persimmons do. Being in Iowa, my guess is your persimmon is American and not Asian. If you have a new persimmon variety that is seedless, and does not require pollination, that seems to me like quite a find! |
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The answer to your question is not known with certainty, but I can give you a somewhat speculative response. American persimmons can grow in Iowa as you have demonstrated, but they are not native to the area, and there is likely not a male in the vicinity to provide pollen, so there being no seeds in the fruit can be explained, (though seedless fruit is not always the result in this situation.) The thought is that something in the environment , perhaps pollen from another species, tricks the tree into fruiting. It has been demonstrated that if the persimmon blooms are bagged and protected from the influence of the environment then they will not fruit. Your neighbor's tree may have had seeded fruit if the tree had both male and female flowers. Since that tree was removed, the pollen source was eliminated, though in future years, your tree may develop male flowers and seeded fruit. Now many varieties of Asian persimmons will fruit without seeds when not pollinated, but I do not know whether they too require an environmental trigger to do so. |
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- Posted by Fascist_Nation USDA 9b, Sunset 13, (My Page) on Sun, Nov 30, 14 at 16:49
| Congratulations on developing an important persimmon cultivar in Iowa!!!! I'd work on cultivating it so it doesn't die off. It ought to do well on its own roots. Persimmons propagate on softwood cuttings (green) next season when you do any non-dormant pruning try your hand at potting them. |
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- Posted by ForestAndFarm 7A (My Page) on Sun, Nov 30, 14 at 21:40
| I've tried propagating persimmons with both dormant wood and green cuttings with no success. I've even tried a cloning machine with no success. If you have had success propagating persimmon softwood cuttings, please share your method in detail. |
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- Posted by CharlieBoring 7 (My Page) on Mon, Dec 1, 14 at 7:18
| Propagating persimmons (I am told) is about humidity and patience. I failed many times and was informed by an expert with loads of success that I should have used a mini-greenhouse made from a plastic bottle and should have waited 3-5 months for the cutting to root. I am trying it this spring. I have a fuyu that gave me over 200 beautiful fruit this year. |
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- Posted by ForestAndFarm 7A (My Page) on Mon, Dec 1, 14 at 12:26
| Root cutting propagation is well documented, but keep us posted on your efforts but I thought most oriental persimmons were grafted which eliminates root cuttings as an option. I was referring the Fascist_Nation made about softwood cutting propagation. Not only have I not had any success with that method, I don't know anyone who has. I thought maybe he found a reliable method for softwood cuttings. |
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| Jack, I sent you an email about NG. Tony |
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- Posted by Bear_With_Me 8 Pacific NW (My Page) on Tue, Dec 2, 14 at 12:49
| Charlie_boring, that is a beautiful persimmon tree! I hope some day to have one half that big and lush. Mine are Saijo and Nikita's gift, planted from bare root trees in spring 2013. The reason I chose them is Raintree states Saijo is the only Asian persimmon that bears reliably in my area, and I don't think NG is tested for that but having the American persimmon DNA might help too. I would love to be able to grow American varieties, but I don't think I have the option to grow them due to time it takes to reach bearing size. A multigraft with an American male persimmon would be worth trying, would take less room in the yard compared to adding another tree, and be right in there with the female varieties. Also, if an American male was grafted to Saijo, especially with NG nearby, and seeds formed on either, it would be interesting to see what happened. Saijo / American would be 50% of each. NK/American would be 37.5% Asian and 62.5% American. Reading through lone ranger's original post again, I am especially interested that your American persimmon is seedless. To me that means they are not pollinated, similar to what many Asian persimmons do. It sounds like as tree worth propagating. Since they are already bearing, adding to an existing tree might result in bearing in a relatively short time. On propagating them, I wonder if one could dig up a piece of root, and graft scion to the root for a new grafted tree. I have been successful at grafting apple scion to starts made from suckers from below the graft, but I have not tried grafting directly to roots. My grafting book states it can be done if one accounts for the difference in rind thickness and has species that tolerate that treatment. My persimmons are on D. lotus rootstock. So far they have not suckered but they are only 2 years old. |
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