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fruit trees in HARD decomposed granite

Posted by fastred1 CA 10a / ss20 (My Page) on
Tue, Dec 31, 13 at 14:04

I have a question about how to prep the ground for several fruit trees.

I am in northeast Los Angeles, on a slightly sloped part of a hill with 4-10" of sandy clay soil (not much organic matter as there used to be asphalt here 6 mos ago) on top of really hard decomposed granite. It drains very well, but is nearly impossible to dig into with a shovel.

I want to plant several fruit trees/plants (fuerte and reed avocados, snow queen and double delight nectarines, tangelo, bananas and passionfruit). I'm not worried about drainage, but do I need to break up any of the DG to allow the roots to penetrate?

I know you are supposed to dig 3x wider than the root system, but not any deeper and not to disturb the underlying soil. Is this the case even with DG that you can't get a shovel into? Will the roots eventually work their way into it or will the roots be fine just moving laterally? I know avocados have shallow root systems.

I can have a landscaper dig holes with a jackhammer/hole digger, but I want to make sure we're doing it properly.

I am planning to stir in 2" of compost (my own and Gardner & Bloome soil building compost) and lay down a few inches of mulch.

Thank you in advance for any advice.

Matthew


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RE: fruit trees in HARD decomposed granite

If you are sure it is well-drained and not apt to holding water, the tree will do much better if the DG is broken up and amended.

The best tool for this is a pressure nozzle on a pipe, like the landscapers use for boring a tunnel under a sidewalk for running a pipe under this. You find a kit like this at Home Depot that glues on a 3/4" PVC pipe.

I'd add a boatload of compost to it.


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RE: fruit trees in HARD decomposed granite

Do you mean you would attach this to a hose and use water pressure to break it up? IME you need a lot of mechanical force to break it up. A pick axe or a crow bar work, but very slowly.


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RE: fruit trees in HARD decomposed granite

  • Posted by fruitnut z7b-8a,4500ft SW TX (My Page) on
    Thu, Jan 2, 14 at 16:24

Matthew:

The other possibility is to make raised beds of the best topsoil you can find. This could be a mound for each tree or a berm for a row of trees. Bring in as much soil as you can afford, up to about 18-24 inches, and combine it with a good drip irrigation system to rewet that soil frequently. I like the drip tube with built in emitters on about a 12-24 inch spacing depending on soil.

This would also allow you to do some landscapping in the process if needed.

Your current soil sounds too hard to break up with anything short of a backhoe. If a backhoe will do the job you could combine some new topsoil and some loosening of what's there.


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RE: fruit trees in HARD decomposed granite

Review this info
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/mg/gardennotes/213.html

Here is a link that might be useful: planting in various soils, including DG


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