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Persimmon gurus! Questions re: American persimmons

Posted by jblaschke 8b TX (My Page) on
Fri, Dec 12, 14 at 14:45

I am looking to plant some persimmon trees, and would very much like to include some American persimmon trees (have fond memories of a couple of trees on my grandparents' land from my youth). I'm looking at Yates and Prok, which is no great surprise. However, for a variety of reasons, I really don't want a 30-50 foot tree on my property. I can manage something in the 20-30 foot range.

So, my first question is whether or not there is a dwarfing/semi-dwarfing rootstock for American persimmons? Are they compatible with kaki or lotus rootstock? Texana? The various Asian cultivars reach a good size for me at maturity--if I could get a good-quality American in that size I'd be quite happy.

My second question: Will d. texana pollinate d. virginiana? There aren't any wild American persimmons in my area, but we're flush with Texas persimmons. Could the local pollen trigger fruiting?

Finally, anyone know the chromosome count of d. texana? I'm not finding that information anywhere online. D. virginiana and d. kaki, sure, but nothing for d. texana. Thanks!


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RE: Persimmon gurus! Questions re: American persimmons

I'm sure others have longer term experience to say what the height potential is of grafted persimmons grown in full sun, but I wouldn't think you'd have to worry about about going over 30 feet, especially not in the next 50 years.


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RE: Persimmon gurus! Questions re: American persimmons

I've seen some older virginiana growing on virginiana rootstock both in dense plantings and in wide open spaces and most were in the 20 - 30 foot range. These were all in the Northeast and perhaps under different conditions in different locations they would grow taller. In any case they can be pruned to a shorter height if desired.

I've grafted virginiana to both kaki and lotus and they grow and fruit well on each. I would expect that a kaki rootstock would have some dwarfing effect on the tree, but with the risk of various problems down the road, I don't think it would be wise to recommend kaki over virginiana rootstock for this application.

I believe texana has the same number of chromosomes as the southern virginianas, but I haven't heard of any hybrids between the two. Prok and Yates have an additional set of chromosomes, so they would be incompatible. These varieties don't appear to require any specific trigger to induce fruiting, so I would doubt that having no local wild virginiana would pose a cropping problem.


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RE: Persimmon gurus! Questions re: American persimmons

Early Golden is another excellent American persimmon that is self fruitful.

Tony


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