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mcintosh vs. macoun

Posted by johnthecook none (My Page) on
Thu, Dec 29, 11 at 22:20

I just bought both at my local store. Both had the same new york sticker on them. And the macoun blew the mac out of the water. It was crunchy and tasty. The mac Still had a little crunch but the usual taste this time of year. I hope when My macoun fruits it has a little more staying power as did this store bought one. Does anyone grow both of these and what are your opinion.


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RE: mcintosh vs. macoun

I'm surprised the Macoun still had its crunch this late in the season. Both these apples fair poorly in long term storage.

Macoun is more difficult to train than Mcintosh- most of your apples will come from 2nd year, moderately vigorous shoots. Macintosh can go either by spur or these shoots and produces more shoots of moderate vigor. Macoun tends toward excessive vigor of these shoots.

They are both excellent New England apples, but I'd say that most people prefer Macoun when it has its astounding crunch. It's also a bit sweeter.


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My wife's two favorite apples- Macs and Macouns, and she prefers the Macoun. Me, too.


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I was surprised how good it was. Mac didn't surprise me. I usually never eat one this time a year. I usually fall back to empire. I want to hunt down a gold rush next year I'm interested to taste one before mine come into fruiting.


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  • Posted by bob_z6 6b/7a SW CT (My Page) on
    Fri, Dec 30, 11 at 14:25

For the last few falls I've picked both Mac and Macouns from PYO orchards. This fall, I was suckered into picking more Macs than I should have (10+ instead of the 1-2 I meant to get), since they look so fully red that I thought "hmm- these must be really ripe and sweeter than I remember." But, they weren't- I can't remember a mac I found more than passable. They also get soft very quickly. Macoun on the other hand are very good. They have enough sweetness to balance out the sharp taste. I haven't had a problem with these getting soft, but that may be due to me eating them more quickly.

I can't comment on how they would be at this point in the season- during the winter I stick with Pink Lady, Fuji, Jazz, Honeycrisp and an occasional Braeburn (though the texture on these can degrade).

Bob


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I planted a honeycrisp in my little orchard after eating some this summer. It is explosive in your mouth. But while eating it I try to think of taste also. It's so crunchy I almost forgot to taste it. I'm still a New England apple guy but the kids love honeycrisp and the newer crunchy sweet apples.


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I grow both and perfer the Mcintosh over the Macoun. I grow the Macoun because it was supposed to hold on the tree better than the Mcintosh. The Mcintosh drop in the hot, humid, climate here in Virgina tidewater area. I have been growing and eating Mcintosh for many years, only two years of harvest with the Macouns. I will try them another year or two before I reach a decision on whether to keep the tree


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It's February and I just bought more Macoun apples at my local Stop and Shop. I'm surprised that the Macoun still has great crunch to it. The flavor has lessoned but it still is a great apple for february. I really miss that tart sweet flavor. Now it's just sweet apples for the winter.


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RE: mcintosh vs. macoun

In the Pacific Northwest, Macoun has more of a solid violet blush and ripens a couple weeks sooner. Keeps poorly.

McIntosh ripens later but gets apple scab worse. It has the much stronger Mac. flavor though.

Macoun is sort of diluted MacIntosh, but less scab.


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I don't believe a true Macoun will ever ripen before Macintosh. Here the sequence has been completely consistent over the decades with tosh preceding coun every year by about 3 weeks.

These are both New England apples and need cooler weather to ripen in (that is, a couple of weeks before harvest) to achieve their true quality.

I have to assume that any crunchy Macouns are out of climate control storage this time of the year (you won't get the same results from your fridge). Macintosh won't hold it's texture under any storage method. Spartan is a similar apple that stores much better.


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I am happy that it still has crunch this time of year. The macs and the cortlands are still sitting on the shelf at the supermarket. What a waste of space this time of year. It's hit or miss on the macouns for taste I had one that allmost tasted like it was just picked.


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Well, in our region, Macoun was surely a couple of weeks earlier than MacIntosh. Of course, the tree I had was a Malling 9 dwarf rootstock, and the MacIntosh trees were seedling standards, so the rootstock has an effect of advancing maturity a bit.
I did not care for the flavor of Macoun, though it was less scabby than MacIntosh.


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Seems that, back East, the Macoun is a later apple, but not here in Western WA.
Our cool weather can do strange things to maturity dates.

http://www.acnursery.com/maturity_chart.pdf


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  • Posted by skyjs z8 OR USA (My Page) on
    Fri, Feb 17, 12 at 21:03

I agree with most that Mac is a spectacular fresh eating apple, but if I wait even a week, it is no longer spectacular. Macoun is good, but not that good in my opinion. I don't try to store them at all. Other apples I use for storage, but not these.
John S
PDX OR


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RE: mcintosh vs. macoun

As grown in the Northeast, it seems to me that Macoun has a more passionate following. It is, after all, the apple that helped give Honeycrisp its exceptional crunch, but taste is entirely subjective.

Another factor is that apples bred for the northeast are sometimes most suitable for that climate, so when you talk about the merits of any particular apple you are not only influenced by your own tastes but also the affect of the climate of the apple being discussed.

Modern, widely released apples tend to perform well in a variety of climatic conditions while many heirlooms and newer varieties that failed the big market test are affected greatly by different weather conditions.


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The Winter Banana does OK out here. Also has a scab problem, though not as bad as MacIntosh, and it sure keeps a lot longer. Excellent pollenizer tree as well.


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Middle of march and the Stop and Shop still has Macoun apple. they still taste good and have a good crisp bite to them.


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John, they must be coming out of controlled storage. To the home grower this will not happen and it is not useful information IMO. The only good apples I'm taking out of storage right now are Goldrush and Fuji.


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RE: mcintosh vs. macoun

I don't think a Mac would taste crunchy or have good taste out of cold storage this time of year. So i was just commenting on that. Maybe the Macoun will have a little more staying power for the home gardener than than Mac in regular storage.


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