yaaaay...white Xmas...thanx Dennis!

Hi

I forgot to say 6 ABC WPVI Cecily forecast "This looks like another winter with above snowfall and below normal temperature so start to looking at those snow shovels." Hurricane Schawartz is Glenn. "Next winter might be coldes in over 10 years.". Michael forecast is from Indiana. Dmvweather forecast "december below average, january and februay below/well below temperature".

Appleseed hi

Yay? You don't like snow in christmas?

Let's continue winter forecast here.

Fox 8 news Cleveland Ohio forecast. It shows forecast temperature and snowfall in next winter. "Temperature -3 fewer brutal invisions but consistently cold nominal break here and there". "Numerous clippers, 1-3 panhandle hoos" :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcAU8e66-pM

Next is KDKA-tv Jeff forecast for Frostburg, Maryland U.S.A. It shows snowfall and temperature for net winter :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NCJ3OIr5Lg

Next is RTV6 Kevin forecast for Indiana. It has snowfall and temperature forecast. :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkkJgq0LHWM

Next is WMTW forecast for Portland, Maine. It show patten of next winter :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMF-jp70xzg

Here is forecast for Indiana. It shows temperature and weather in next winter :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKn3Tev7Br0&list=UUpQo3CRXK0_oE6sql_U_vdg

Wisn 12 news forecast for Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It shows temperature in next winter :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKn3Tev7Br0&list=UUpQo3CRXK0_oE6sql_U_vdg

Next is WTAE-TV forecast if Pittsburgh Pennsylvania. It shows snowfall in Pennsylvania. :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_5IU5-rKE8

Next is Winter forecast for eastern Ohio and western Pennsylvania. It shows temperature and snowfall in next winter :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpZ7_40SVAo

I have found also news on next winter on internet which you might read if you want. You can found it using google if you search using words cns news barbara winter. It is first link in the list.

Next is WBRC Fox 6 from Birmigham Alabama James Paul forecast. Forecast is 24:36 minute. It shows temperature next winter. Cold weather here too. "This winter weather looks like is going to be more naughty than nice". :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvQ7jVKdwfE

Those took little bit time to write. Hopefully those links are usuful to somebody.

Yay? You don't like snow in christmas?

Yay is an expression of joy. So yes he wants snow for Christmas.

Drew51 Hi

O.K. for explanation. I am not so good in abbreviations.

Well you're great compared to my Finnish!

Checking Accuweather their January forecast is relatively balmy for my area in SE New York state. Not a single low in the forecast that gets below about 7F. Used to be you'd likely get below -10F in January and -15 was still in the realm of a normal winter. Haven't seen those kind of temps for quite a while.

yay may be an expression of joy, yaaaaay may be an expression of sarcasm.
A white Christmas is all well and good, at least for those of you who get an inch or two and then watch it melt away. The copious amounts we tend to get in northern WI give me a sore back and cold feet. But if we hit 34 below for a week straight like last year, bring on the snow. Not much worse than frozen water and a frozen septic. Not to mention winterkill in the orchard....

Used to be you'd likely get below -10F in January and -15 was still in the realm of a normal winter

You must get a lot colder than we do in MI because I have never seen -10 in 60 years except for last winter.

Drew, you shouldn't continue to believe your experiences are universal. Most residents of MN have seen much harsher temps than I have.

Here is a link that might be useful: temps for St Paul

Well MN is brutal, WI too! I just said it never got that cold here. I wasn't really commenting beyond my experiences. I know better when talking to you. The U.P. is brutal too. Barron also, it's so strange up there. You can go miles and miles at night and not see a single light. Just so different for this Motown boy. The lakes protect us here. It's a very nice environment in southern MI. My in-laws retired in Cheboygan, so of course making it impossible for me to escape winter. Man some road trips up there have been near death experiences. I remember a couple times the road was pure ice, cars were moving sideways all over the place. We even have chains on gold carts here!
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At my cottage you're on your own. EMS cannot get there in the winter. The river is too dangerous to cross
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No water service on the island. If you want to flush your toilet you have to harvest ice or snow. Ice is better.
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Drew, you did say "we do in MI", which sounds like you are talking for the whole state.

Albany is about an hour north of me, but I'm in a relative cold spot, as far as actual temps (I'm well sheltered from wind). Albany is probably a close approximation of what I get. I can travel 10 miles to where temps are moderated by water and temps stay 5-10 degrees warmer as far as lows. Even if I walk a bit uphill the lows rise noticeably.

When I go over these records, although I was in the ballpark, I have to admit my memory had the contrast from past winters to recent ones more extreme than the data reveals. We all have selective memory- just different motivations.

That's really what I'm trying to communicate to you, Drew. Logic being pushed by our emotions is another aspect of this overall human trait. When we realize this about ourselves and each other it is easier to accept different opinions about things. But all of us highly opinionated types have to struggle with this because those other people just seem so stupid!

I apologize for playing the role of preacher here, and for possibly annoying you by pointing out the obvious and acting like you need to be taught anything from me.

Here is a link that might be useful: Albany lows

Albany is cold! Holy Moly, so i was right on, you are colder than we are! Yeah MI is huge, so I don't speak for all of it. It's like the moon at the top! So different from here.
Detroit is about the same lattitude as Albany, but the lakes keep us warm. I'm actually 8 miles north of Detroit. 8 miles from 8 mile. We try to keep it simple here I'm off of 16 mile rd.

Here is a link that might be useful: Detroit historical temps

This post was edited by Drew51 on Sun, Dec 14, 14 at 11:51

Drew, I was thinking MI stood for Minnesota. Now I understand where you are coming from. Sorry about that.

Yes Missouri (MO) and Montana (MT) mess me up.
Looking at some of our records we got down to -17 in 1994. I do not remember that? I wasn't growing fruit trees, so didn't pay attention. In 93 I opened a restaurant so was quite pre-occupied!

You opened a restaurant! Brave man.

Judging from your Dec. data, I'm guessing January and Feb have seen plenty of days below -10 in recent history, no?

Here Dec is relatively warm compared to those two months.

Actually it looks like you've gotten real cold much more recently than that. Did you see this list of low temps. Detroit is not much warmer than Albany as far as max lows.

Here is a link that might be useful: Winter lows in Detroit.

Interesting comparing them. Fairly close. Looks like Albany is slightly colder except for last year. I certainly do not remember it being that cold so many times. Looks like we get more snowfall. Probably because of lake effect.
Looking at both long term, the changes are small. Looks like the same old same old. Some years worse, some years better. Hard to see any pattern there.

OK, so -10F can damage peach buds. In Detroit going back ten years we have 2 years or 20% of the time the maximum low is -10 or below. If you go back 20 years it's exactly the same 20%.
For Albany it's 40% at ten years and 20 years. So Albany is colder. But it is interesting that the numbers are very consistent. Thanks for posting that! That was very interesting to me. And it tells me I can expect some damage 20% of the time. Not that bad, worth growing peaches. And it's consistent, so that helps. Well worth growing only considering temps. Pest pressure, humidity etc, could make it better or worse. MI is 6th in peach production, so it's not that bad here. I have to keep telling myself that! 44 states produce less, so that says a lot.
That is on average, last year we probably were way down there low on the list. One year though we were 2nd. I guess the south had really bad weather and so we beat them one year.
USA is third worldwide.

This post was edited by Drew51 on Sun, Dec 14, 14 at 17:41

Well, I can attest to the fact that our part of the central plains have had tmemps very much above average for the last month so much so that I'm worried the fruit tree buds may not survive when reality suddenly sets in and the temps plunge to 0 or worse over night and stay there for a good long time as is normal. I don't recall any forecasts earlier for us to have these banana belt temps for so long.

We had a cold September and October, December has been warmer, but the trees long ago went to sleep here.
The cold is coming back now too.

If you look at average temps for January you will see that in recent history the numbers are too close to call. Not much water influence in Albany so swings are greater.

Harvestman hi

I think those long range weather forecast are not so reliable if you look temperature, only general overview temperature in future. Don't pay too much attention some day temperature in future, further you go in future more there is uncertainties what affect weather.

My winter forecast is for precipitation of 2-3 inches (12/21 through 3/19), highs of 70F, lows of 40F, humidity 50%-70% -- except for 1-3 episodes of "Santa Ana" conditions lasting 3-5 days with high temps near 85F, lows near 50F, and humidity approximately 10%.

" I was thinking MI stood for Minnesota..."

"Yes Missouri (MO) and Montana (MT) mess me up."

Just want to say for the record I think Missouri got a raw deal. Missouri should be MI, not Michigan. After all, Missouri became a state before Michigan or Minnesota (Yes it's true Mississippi was founded even earlier, but that doesn't count because they succeeded from the Union. Plus Mississippi is too long of a word and too hard to spell.)

Maybe it became a state first but Detroit Is a lot older than St Louis. Detroit was founded in 1701 and St Louis in 1764.
So this area was colonized long before any place in MO.
The tall ships from around the world came to Detroit in 2001. Even The Niña from the Columbus odyssey visited Detroit on it's 300th birthday, I even took photos of it. Well a replica that incorporates all original parts that are left. Maybe The Niña will visit St Louis on it's 300th birthday in 2064.
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Old meets new
A 200 Plus year old sailing ship and a modern era freighter.
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This post was edited by Drew51 on Mon, Dec 15, 14 at 22:23

Dennis, I only read them to get an idea on what the long term forecast is, not for daily or even weekly forecasts. Accuweather has quick and easy to read graphics that show 5 days at a time of highs and lows. In half a minute I have a sense of the long term trend a month ahead. Even that isn't all that accurate but its all we got.

Hermitian, who the hell asked you? You're not looking for more company are you?

"Even The Niña from the Columbus odyssey visited Detroit on it's 300th birthday."

Well, you do have me there. But I still say we have to come back to spelling, which should count for something. Missouri is phonetically easier to spell than Michigan, unless you are from Missouri, in which case it's pronounced Mizz-Ur-Ah.

But even then, Missouri is trying to change things through education. Look at how they spell their college - Mizzou. Education starts with young people. Eventually I think we will see the state of Missouri changing their spelling to match its pronunciation - Mizzurah. Then the postal abbreviation can be changed to MZ, better than MO, which of course is a phonetic reference to one of The Three Stooges.

This post was edited by olpea on Tue, Dec 16, 14 at 7:28

Hermitian, who the hell asked you? You're not looking for more company are you?

Hermitian is indeed looking for company, but we are the wrong gender! I have seen photos of his place and I think he needs our help though. It's much too nice for one guy.
We would need a few weeks for assessment of the place, before we could even give any advice. Hermitian appears to be somewhat of a good cook too, so as long as he feeds us, we will do it out of the goodness of our hearts.

Then the postal abbreviation can be changed to MZ, better than MO, which of course is a phonetic reference to one of The Three Stooges.

OK, now I will never forget MO as the correct abbreviation. My brother in law is from MO, and well if the shoe fits!
A few years ago I saw that arch. It is impressive and the building of it is funny. When they got to the top, it didn't line up! Ha! They figured a way. First thing they did is fire Larry and Curly! They hired some guy named Shemp. Later they added another Curly Joe.

"A few years ago I saw that arch. It is impressive and the building of it is funny. When they got to the top, it didn't line up! Ha! They figured a way. First thing they did is fire Larry and Curly!"

Oh, wise guy, eh? Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk!

harvestman, you and others are welcome to visit here - esp. if you're willing to help with the construction of a miniature golf course through the orchard on my side yard. :)

Hey watch what you ask for! Sure if I had time, I would love to help! This winter though I'm rebuilding both of my bathrooms. i did the small one, but the big one is going to be a lot harder. Also I need new flooring in the kitchen. I love doing projects outside like that! Sounds like fun to me.
Wish I did have the time.

Herm, that's funny because I was pruning apples today in Greenwich CT where the property has a few holes of a golf course- maybe 3 acres devoted to it. The land was formerly a commercial apple orchard and the 100 year old trees function now as, maybe, hazards.

I was raised in Topanga Canyon near Malibu and I willfully left the vicinity. Too crowded and too expensive for me. It was my heaven for almost a couple decades, though.