P.S. Specific needs: cooking for health and energy, male virility, physical injuries, systemic cleansing, don't be afraid to throw in some psychotropics - salvia D. is already in there (but keep it legal please), muscle aches (from working hard in the garden!), other basics. Climate's not an issue as a green house will supplement.

i may have some goldenseal
and echinecea seeds eventually to share.

as far as male virility i know Hot Sauce Or Cocoa-Products get me going.

I see no problem in talking freely
of salvia divinorum here or anywhere
else as it is/should remain legal worldwide.
i have not found ANY effects
in smoking dry leaf
pleasant enough to try more than twice.
Although many reports prove me wrong
and many places sell a refined
standardized extract which also
had nil effect when applied to
the dry leaf matter i harvested.
(the supposed most potent way of consumption)

I have been looking for another
cut of divinorum. I truly loved
growing the divine Sage and would love to
trade up as soon as I hit last frost z6.

Cheers
LS

i for one will be watching this thread closely. ;)

I'll be having a whole range of sages in my garden besides this one. I've always loved it as a cooking ingredient and know that it has many anscillary helth benefits.

Any other suggestions? Anyone else have any ideas for a list of traditional herbs. What would you put in your dream garden? I'm very interested in old traditional remidial herbalism (the older the tradition the better. I'm here to learn) Doesn't have to be as serious as salvia (belladonna's in my list though, more for show than anything else).

LS, let me know what you'd like to trade for, if I get it and manage to grow I'll send some on to you.

Mandrake, for starters (autumn mandrake propagates readily by seed).

More good ideas for garden exorcism at this site.

Mine are... Bramhi,Gotu Kola,Indian Ginseng,Herb Robert,True Dandelion.

Brahmi,Gotu Kola and Herb Robert have the biggest impact on my health.

http://www.herbsarespecial.com.au/newpages/book/sample/sample29.html

Look for the other herbs I mention in the index.

Thanks again, anyone else?

Others you might try:
Valarian (muscle relaxant)
Comfrey (good for bruises, sprains and torn ligaments - to be used as a topical rather than internally)
Calendula (burns, bruises and bug bits. Also an antiseptic. again use topically)
Red Clover (blood purifyer)
Alfalfa (blood and kidny cleanser)

I'm sure there are more, but it's been a long time since I've had to drudge my memory for such things :)

I can't vouch for the accuracy of this website, but it has interesting information on mandrake.

I have two dogs to "help out" in the mandrake harvest.

Marie, that's just the sort of thing I'm looking for. My mother used to use Marigolds on me as a child for sun burns and such, and I know she uses Lavender for migraines. Peppermint, rosemary, and alfalfa are perfect examples of what I was talking about regarding our shared history with medicinal plants. Been 'round for ages (rosemary for example is used as a talisman of rememberance for time and memorial, and also as a disinfectant. It was rubbed into meats ot help them keep, which is why we use it today as a companion to steak, lamb, and pork). That's a great list, thanks. And all very good looking plants as well.

LS, I just found a resource for another plant I'd very much like to grow which you might be interested in. Banisteriopsis Caapi http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com/product_info.php?products_id=286 I know you can get it already cut in a multitude of places, but this is the only place I've seen where you can get rooted specimens.

By the way, speaking of rooting, another must have is willow. Of course a great anticoagulant and deep muscle pain reliever, but most importantly useful for rooting. Checkout my post in the organic rose thread - http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/rosesorg/msg0720433521555.html?23

Keep em coming! This is fun. And I need plenty more before I can fill my garden.

I am content to enjoy certain plants for their historical value alone.

Another that is in flower currently in my light garden is Withania somnifera, an Ayurvedic herb. It is reputed to cure or treat a ton of things, according to one site I checked:

Medicinal Uses: According to Ayurveda, the root is bitter, acrid, heating, aphrodisiac, tonic, alternative, anthelmintic and useful in treatment of inflammations, psoriasis, bronchitis, asthma, consumption, ulcers, scabies, marasmus of children, insomnia, senile debility etc. According to Unani system of medicine, the root is bitter, tonic, aphrodisiac, emmenagogue, good in asthma, inflammations, leucoderma, bronchitis, lumbago, thirst etc.

Major Alkaloids: Somniferine, somnine, somniferinine, withananine, pseudo-withanine, tropino, pseudotropine, choline, cuscohygrine, isolettetierine, anaferine, anahydrine, 3-alpha-gloyloxy tropane, etc.

As clinical trials seem to be lacking, I think I'll let others "experiment" with this one too. The flowers aren't much, but the seed capsules are supposed to be interesting.

I think your plan to grow a variety of sages is a good one. If nothing else, sages are a tonic to the spirit.

I too can not imagine life without my german and french chamomile to help my tumtum at nights. One of the few things i have grown non-stop 24/7 for a decade.

eire, just phoned a friend and he says,
"look into kratom.
grow it, and you will be happy you did."
from the things he was buzzin about on the telephone it sounds right up your alley.

now that i think about it..
i usually keep aloe, chamomile, peppers, year round for "medicinal" use, not many "herbs" i can't cook with daily as space is an issue. Usually have the green basil and purple leafed variety going as well as cilantro etc. but this list will be saved for culinary forums. I like the theme gardens too and so far "herbalism" holds my interest better than houseplants or giant vegetables if that says much. Another favorite forum of mine to cruise is edible landscape and japanese gardens though i will always love container vegetables and fruit. AND BARREL BERRIES!
ps: my friend also mentioned sacred lotus though i am unsure of the legality and doubt you have the correct setup to dive in (no pun intended). It is said to be an ancient egyptian flower (or something) that does nothing if taken alone but in conjunction with other alkaloids can create pleasant to intense states of euphoria. Tread lightly as this may or may not be legal, i have no experience in it but hear even certain everyday foods can trigger the effects after ingesting this lotus so....

both sites have great link lists as well

I'm ashamed to admit, I don't know what barrel berries are but I imagine the name is pretty descriptive. Semi edible landscape is what I'm aiming for in my garden. You could call my theme "Edible plants and spiritual landscapes" with a heavy bent of herbaceous healers for the apothecary in me. So, don't hold back on listing your favourite non-vegetables.

I am in no way advocating the cultivation of any plant purely for the purpose of mystical properties nor have i propagated these plants in said manner. I will shoot you an email later on about the ECH AND GS seeds, the salvia cutting will not work out overseas. I can not wait to return to ireland the place of my roots.

Actually it's far less intense than the old cocaine which is extracted from them. Chewing is the ancient practice that a lot of the old Indians in central and south america still use. That's where I picked it up from. I lived in Costa Rica for a while. I'd just like to mention that I've only ever tried refined cocaine once, and it's a far different experience. Now-a-days, I wouldn't advocate either practice (both equally addictive). But here we are talking about drugs, there's more to life than that. I definitely advocate mystical properties in plants, but not so much recreational anymore. I want a garden that will help people (including me) and be enjoyable at the same time.

By the way if anyone has any suggestions for good traditional Celtic herbs that would be another goodline of exploration. Ex: ragwort, said to be the fairies favorite mode of transportation and where leprechauns bury their treasure (though I don't know what medicinal purpose it serves).

(NICOTINE IS A SUPER BUG-OFF!!!
GREAT COMPANION PLANT TOO!!!)

Anyone know of an acceptable smoke that will cause coughing? An expectorant?
I may start a new thread as I have a friend who is crippled with MS and may benefit from something with little or no effects on the digestive system (as vomiting=death in her case).
As a side note it was Basil that brought her closest to recovery for anyone who cares about natural medical miracles.
I will have a full write up in here in a week or so to share once i visit and get an update of her condition. So far she's at the end of her ropes. this is futile. but the basil did help.

This is what many in the dark ages thought,and looked to whiches and druids who supposedly had enlightenment through their potions that gave this kind of experience.

I have experieced "highs" from plants or alcohol,but mind altering herbs or drugs dont teach us mental enlightenment through VALUES of enlightenment,that lead to a happy life with meaningful experiences and loving relationships,that are far better than any drug or herb "buzz".

They dont teach us what forgiveness really is,or how to change your self perception...that we can undo the mental rubbish we where taught when we were young and change ourselves to be the person we want to be,one that is on a higher plane of enlightenment because of higher values that are not generally seen because of an obsession that we are what we are because we are only physical beings only.

This has changed,and now we see many books on how to have a better life through MENTAL enlightenment,not the blind drug induced stupor that the whiches and druids said would lead to enlightenment.

All this takes mental SKILLS that have to be LEARNT,not something that will happen instantly by one,or many, mind altering experiences.

They change the chemicals in our brains,or put some there to experience something,but they dont teach us life skills and the buzz of a life full of love... or at least put us on the path to try and get that.

herbalbetty - Thanks for the recommendation, I've taken a look at this book and it seems to be very in depth and interesting. I too am interested in the folklore of these plants though I'm not very well educated in it. This book sounds like a great first step towards learning more about it. Thanks again, and thanks for the herbal recommendations (any info on what they treat/benefits?).

LS - I've had Nicotina Rustica, with American Indians. It is an interesting, experience. A bit like having poor circulation, with palpitations. I didn't know that it was an insect repellent, but that makes a lot of sense. I understand mallow is as well. As for the expectorant, I know from practicing Taoist healing and martial arts that Ma Huang is an expectorant, though you don't smoke it.

Kevin - Very good points. Values are derived from psychological/social sources, and simply taking a drug is not going to provide you with guidance. However, I would argue that the values that our societies around the world are based on are externalised aspects of our own basic, collective, psyche. Many enthogenic drugs are direct pathways to unlocking this portion of the psyche which is for the most part subconscious. Once accessed this portion of your own psychological landscape will expose the mental traveller to experiences that they are forced to learn from. In this way mental skills can be developed, and the exposure to a wider range of experience allows for a broader depth of vision when dealing with life situations. It becomes easier to see the other influences and points of view of all involved, thus giving a more rounded and wisER outlook than before.

But that is by far only a fraction of the story. These keys are a shortcut, and like all shortcuts they leave out the most important aspects of the journey, or even lead to the wrong place entirely. True shamanic tradition holds that in order to become a fully fledged master shaman, one must access these alternate psychological experiences at will and without the aid of any additional substances. This of course requires a great deal of practice and guided training in the mental arts, as well as certain perceptual, attitudinal, and value adjustments (all primarily for the better). Love and loving kindness (which of course includes forgiveness) are essential ingredients to the Way, and without these innate human values, the aspiring shaman is in real danger of falling victim to the ravages of their own psyche.

A good illustrative allegory that I have been taught is that the shaman and the recreational drug user move about in the same waters, but only the shaman knows how to swim. As for mental enlightenment, well it just isn't truly possible without direct experience. Conceptual thought is a wonderful thing, but even the most intelligent person in the world will never understand what it is to see a higher plane of existence. The shaman does, because they have been there. And yes it is within their head, just as all higher ideals and metaphors are. They are all expressions of our psyche. As the Vedic scriptures say, all the gods and demons are within. But, as you say, the mere taking of mind altering substances won't teach you this if you haven't been prepared for it already. This is why so many people abuse drugs in the first place, they haven't been encouraged to develop the value of reverence, and so are irreverent to the valuable experience they are surrounded by (whether they take drugs or not).

Thanks for your post, it allows us to set a tone of responsibility on this thread which should extend beyond the enthogenic. Because herbal remedies can be abused as well if misunderstood.

if I'm overstepping my bounds please tell me

lol

I have many questions regarding
Spinal degenerative disorders*****, severe anxiety, sodium levels, European Treatment centers for Ibogaine, expectorants, grey hair, reishi and other mush, etc etc etc
are these all valid candidates for this forum?
if so i wil start to post away b/c this thread is getting a bit too deep for my simple mind.lol
btw, I for one appreciate that others out there have such similiar philosophy as myself regarding life-perspective,and take the time to post such intriging sp? essays.
just hard to keep up with all the deep thought. =)

thank you in advance.
LS

P.S. glad you appreciate the discourse, so do I. Lets keep it coming everybody! :)

"Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I'll remember; involve me and I'll understand."

-Confucious

i think. but this quote has ALWAYS blown me away..

add a little something about patience in the mix and out comes the ingredients for a great teacher.

Wishing you all, you're gardens, and your families
peace and love this Holiday Season and Always,
LS

It is true that these plants are not to be taken lightly but they should not be dismissed either.

It is interesting to note that (according to the literature) some of the plants may be classified as "witchy" or of a "dark" disposition -- and they look it, with pointy serrated leaves etc. Others (like the Angel Trumpets) are beautiful, with magnificent flowers.

As for the lecture demeaning plants as a spiritual tool, there is a great essay contesting this view in "Psychedelic Shamanism" which I heartily agree with. God would not have blessed us with these sacraments if they weren't intended to be used. Some would argue this is Holy Communion, in the truest sense. Not just a symbolic wafer.

There are stories about intense physical healing related to the use of ayahuasca and other plants. At least one story on the web is very intriguing; posted by a traditional, older doctor, it tells of his cure from cancer.

There are also theories and evidence that these plants have had an influence on our evolution as a species, but I suspect that those who denigrate these plants may disagree with the theory of evolution in general.

Finally, some of the most brilliant minds throughout history belonged to partakers of these sacraments. If you read the above-mentioned books, the clarity and intelligence of the writers support this.

p.s. -- I would also recommend Brugmansia as a delightful addition to your garden. I've heard some people smoke the leaves and flowers (others make tea but that is STUPID, RECKLESS and DANGEROUS).

It is a beautiful plant with huge flowers. Very easy to grow. Can be cut and rooted easily. Growth is controlled by size of planter. It's a subtropical but I've kept two going on my porch for years. Make cuttings and grow it outdoors in summer. It is extremely easy to propagate from cuttings. A search on ebay will show you the many gorgeous varieties of flowers. Definitely worth a look.

B. Caapi is also adaptable to indoor growing. But to get the thick mature woody stems used in shamanistic activity, outdoor growth (or a large greenhouse) are probably required.

"Botanical.com ...on the world wide web since 1995
Home of the electronic version of "A Modern Herbal" by Maud Grieve."

This is part of what they had to say regarding Calendula officinalis:

" ---Parts Used---The flowers and leaves.

Leaves. - Gather only in fine weather, in the morning, after the dew has been dried by the sun. Flowers. - The ray florets are used and need quick drying in the shade, in a good current of warm air, spread out on sheets of paper, loosely, without touching each other, or they will become discoloured.

---Medicinal Action and Uses---Marigold is chiefly used as a local remedy. Its action is stimulant and diaphoretic. Given internally, it assists local action and prevents suppuration. The infusion of 1 ounce to a pint of boiling water is given internally, in doses of a tablespoonful, and externally as a local application. It is useful in chronic ulcer, varicose veins, etc. Was considered formerly to have much value as an aperient and detergent in visceral obstructions and jaundice.

It has been asserted that a Marigold flower, rubbed on the affected part, is an admirable remedy for the pain and swelling caused by the sting of a wasp or bee. A lotion made from the flowers is most useful for sprains and wounds, and a water distilled from them is good for inflamed and sore eyes."
....

They continued with much more, but I think these are the most common uses.

And some other excerts where they are quoting others:

"In Macer's Herbal it is stated that only to look on Marigolds will draw evil humours out of the head and strengthen the eyesight.
'Golde [Marigold] is bitter in savour
Fayr and zelw [yellow] is his flowur
Ye golde flour is good to sene
It makyth ye syth bryth and clene
Wyscely to lokyn on his flowres
Drawyth owt of ye heed wikked hirores
[humours].
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Loke wyscely on golde erly at morwe [morning]
Yat day fro feures it schall ye borwe:
Ye odour of ye golde is good to smelle.'

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'It must be taken only when the moon is in the Sign of the Virgin and not when Jupiter is in the ascendant, for then the herb loses its virtue. And the gatherer, who must be out of deadly sin, must say three Pater Nosters and three Aves. It will give the wearer a vision of anyone who has robbed him.'

I hope you enjoy this site and your garden.
Regards,

Do you know of any good magical herbalism websites?

I have had success with: (I'm in humid tropics )

Andrographis, I highly recommend this "king of bitters" could be the best line of defense, for Swine, H1N1 etc.

Ashwagandha, another super herb.

Burdock, Purifier, remove toxins

Found out recently how well coriander is at removing heavy metals from cells, also dragon fruit.

Mugwort, I have but have not used, planted it for smudging, I might try a tea from it.

now I intend to try out some "psychoactive " herbs, but not looking for anything "trippy" .

Kratom: seems to work as both a stimulant similar to coffee, or something to calm you down, depending on dose, workers chew on leaves, to relieve fatigue and pain, its an antioxidant, and has some other health benefits.

Sacred Egyptian Blue Lotus ( Lily ). has some aphrodisiac properties similar to viagra, and but is relaxing, and makes you more sociable. ( as a wine infusion )

The way I see it, Anything can be toxic if its over done, even poisons at the right dosage can be medicinal.

I do not intend to smoke anything, or "concentrate" these medicinal herbs.

I want to get some plain old lemon balm also.

Some fruits and or their trees have medicinal properties, Soursop leaves have Graviola anti cancer properties, Acai, Goji, Mangostan are considered super fruits. even my Jujube is good for breathing problems.

there are many medicinal plants that wont do well here in this hot humidity, but I'll keep looking for some great stuff to add.

BTW, if anyone has a Kratom tree, I would like to get my hands on some seeds, I understand they are not viable for too long, and even fresh seeds are only 10-20%. I have ordered seeds, but not sure if I will be successful at getting them started.

I have included a link, to the "Plants for a future" database for medicinal plants, its pretty good reference.

FataMorgana

re growing goldenseal...this is a specialty forest grown herb, the plant has exacting growing requirements, its essentially impossible to grow in the veggie/herb garden at all. i'd concentrate on others that are easy (many!) and buy this one from an organic grower, it has very specific uses and even then is used in tiny amounts so you won't need much. its endangered in the wild so please protect what stands are left by buying from an ethical source. better to use and grow milder polycrest herbs...ie, ones that have many medicinal uses and are pretty too...like chamomile, yarrow, mints of all kinds, dandelion, calendula, the culinary herbs like fennel, dill, rosemary, lavender etc.

happy gardening! k

Above were great suggestions. You can use culinary herbs (high in essential oils) that also double for helping other health conditions. Basil, marjoram, mints (various types), thyme, etc.

Hope this helps.

theherbalist2012