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lower lid Eye twitching

Posted by Maggie_Berry z6CT (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 26, 04 at 21:59

Is there a herb for a a twitching lower eye lid. Its been going on for three weeks. I have given up caffine. Help!
Maggie


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I heard its caused from stress.
You may need to make more changes than cutting the caffine.


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Twitching lids are usually related to stress, fatigue or excessive caffine. Typically, if not caffine caused, it will resolve in four to six weeks all by itself with no treatment.

If you also have jaw twitching, cheek muscle twitching, involuntary eye lid closure or trouble with speech, see your doctor to rule out neurological problems.


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Oh man, it is stress related, thanks to you both, I see that now! I'm in the middle of a major career change. Last week was the interview. I can't seem to stop thinking about how this is going to effect my life. Our bodies are amazing.I wish one twitch meant go for it and the two meant stay the course. I think a glass of wine and a long talk with a gal pal is what the doctor ordered,
Maggie


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You might also want to check with an osteopath and get a DMPS mercury test in the URINE NOT blood. Eye twitching is one of the sign of mercury poisoning. best, Jane


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Janemccl,
I think I will make a doctors appointment it has been awhile and its still twitching like crazy. My worries about my eye has been replaced with sleepless over joint pain in both shoulders and numbness in both the arms. I'm glad you posted because the eye twitching does not even bother me and I had forgot how wierld it most look to others, because I can't feel it anymore, I can just see it. I guess the time has come to deal with these issues. I still don't know if I have the "new" job, so it could be in my head ( stress ) but I guess I have to deal with this.
Maggie


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I would go to a good chiropractor the symptoms you are describing sound like cervical spine misalignment and can be treated effectively by a chiro.


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Eye twitching has many different causes and treatments are available for the specific type of eye twitching you have. Certain vitamins and herbs have proven useful for eyelid twitches. For more detailed information you can check out
www.eyereview.com/eye_twitching.html

Here is a link that might be useful: eye twitching


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Note : The following article is only meant as a reference material to the intended recipients and advices should be sought from the medical experts to establish the authenticity of its contents.

Eyelid twitching, which is lately referred to as Blepharospasm or Myokymia is actually a symptom of involuntary and uncontrollable movements in the muscles around a person's eyes which in turn make them appear like 'blinking non-stop' to other people.

Generally, the movements of one's muscle is controlled by the nerves around them that in turn receive signals from the brains which ultimately dictate the variety of 'ways' in which such movements are to be conducted based on a person's will.

The causes of such eyelid-twitching symptom in most common cases may just due to short-term stress, over-tiredness, over-straining of one's eyes, occasional anxiety, temporary panic fits and nervousness which in turn can be easily relieved and recover naturally by a good rest, more relaxation and trying to calm oneself down to stop getting anxious, panic and worried and stressful over certain things. In this regard, such phenomena tend to be quite common among certain students and other professionals.

However, in the cases of a persistent uncontrollable twitchings of the eyelids which only get aggravated rather than improved over time and last for months and even years, it may just probably imply that the nerves around the eyes organ are simply not 'properly functionable' enough to bring about the desired movements of the muscles based on the mental instructions from the brains of a person.

Except for any brain and other eye muscle damages/eye muscle disorders caused by permanent lack of certain nutrients and minerals etc or other irritations to that organ like dry eyes, sore eyes, bacteria infections etc, such a chronic eyelid-twitching sickness may likely be caused by certain disturbances and disorders that affect or weaken the functionality of the nerves around the eyes to bring about the desired movements of this organ based on the person's will.

In this regard, the possible reasons of such chronic eyelid-twitching sickness may probably due to the causes as mentioned above which is experienced by a person over a considerably long period of time rather than just temporarily. Apart from that, other likely causes maybe be certain traumas, especially the emotional ones, allergy to or overdosage of certain medications that carry such side effects as muscle spasms, particularly photophobia in the case of eyelid-twitching symptom.

In fact, I myself have also been suffering from such a sickness due to allergy and overdosage to such medications like Risperdal and other similar drugs. As such, I would very much like to share my own genuine personal experience with you over the course of my treatment of such a sickness and I hope that it will somehow be helpful to a certain extent especially to those who have been having the similar experience as mine and I would to emphasize that it again only is meant as a reference material to anyone reading it.

For your information, I have been suffering from this sickness in the past few years whereby my eyelids also tend to twitch both continuously and uncontrollably without me being able to do anything to control the twitchings at all. As a result, my eyes would seem like blinking all the while to anyone who looks at me and I totally could not drive, look directly and persistently at the pc or tv screens and most of the times, I simply cant read any books or newspaper properly.

And I have sought lots of medical treatments and advices as well as apply various kinds of eye drops, taking various types of vitamins, mineral pills as well as many types of anti-muscle spasm medications from lots of eye specialists, neurosurgeons and psychiatrists (who explain the medical theories mentioned above to me), ENT specialists and other general practitioners, and even have the MRI examinations taken to get my eyes cured , but these efforts turn out to be in vain as they fail to yield any positive results and my eyes still keep on blinking non-stop.

Luckily, just about a year after I suffer from such a sickness, I come across an acupuncture expert who studied and observed closely about my problems and then administer a therapy needle on the part of the flesh at the back of the palm which is about 1.5 cm vertically from the point of intersection between my thumb and my forefinger of my right hand to strengthen the weakened and sensitive nerves around my eyes. After that, he just ask me to press (using just mild force) that acupuncture point using such objects like toothpick /normal writing pen or anything with a blunt-pointed end for at least 2 hours a day and then consistently for about 2 months. Having done that persistently based on his order, my eyelid-twitching that makes my eyes blinking all the while just totally recover in time and I can drive, work with the pc screens, watch tv, movies and read as well as work like any other normal persons.

For your further information, I have also come across quite a couple of people in my real life annoyed by such an eyelid-twitching problem of different causes and degrees of severity, and accordingly, I just recommend the method as mentioned above to them and within weeks, they just experience significant improvements to their conditions after applying this therapy, and after a few months , they just recover totally from this sickness. . And I hope that by contributing this piece of article to you, it will somehow help you to in at least getting a clue about this sickness.

Lastly, I sincerely wish that the ones troubled by such an annoying eyelid-twitching sickness can recover finally from their illness. Thank you.


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Eow, I have read and re-read the information you provided a few times. I'm going to print it out and bring it to my doctor and I will be making an appointment with an acupuncture. It is a God sent message because I tried to call my doctor this holiday season to make an appointment for arm tingling that has lasted about a month. I have been putting it off because, the man has been preety useless up until now. Your reply, has given me more energy to look at the current eye problem and new arm problem in a new light. I'm thinking about my diet,supplements,and acupuncture and the whole picture. If you had not have written, I would have just gone on and on, living with both situations. Anyway, I will post my results.
Maggie


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Maggie Berry, first of all, thanks for the appreciation you gave for the information I provided.

In fact I have something to add to that article about eyelid-twitching sickness.

Based on the neurosurgeons and other medical specialists that have dealt with my eyelid-twtiching problems before, just like any other sicknesses, it is actually very important for the ones who suffer from them to identify the very causes of the sicknesses and deal with them accordingly apart from seeking treatments for the sicknesses themselves. And in my case, since my eyelid-twitching is diagnosed as being caused by allergy to and overdosage of certain medications that carry the side effects of muscle spasms (please refer to my article above), I have been almost advised accordingly by all these doctors as well as the acupuncturist who have cured me in the end to stop taking the particular medications and replace them with something else to improve my eyelid-twitching problems.

Thus, as for your case, though I do not know what actually causes the problems to your eyes and arms, I nevertheless would like to strongly advise you that if you are taking any medications, especially the ones that would potentially induce muscle disorders, please at least consult the doctors to find out if they are really associated with the sicknesses that you are having as well as whether it is appropriate to continue taking them so that the conditions of the sicknesses would at least not get further worsened by such medications.


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Eow,I certainly follow what you are saying. I have been taking supplements but I don't remember if that was before or after the problem started. Also, it is worst in the summer so I'm wondering if it is a food allergy I remember my face breaking out and my doctor determining it was a reaction to tomatoes or something I was eating out of my home grown veggy garden, but I did not take that seriously,at the time. I can't remember when I noticed the eye twitching in relationship to the tomato issue. I eat alot of tomatoes when they are in season, but very few when they are out of season. This is something I can test, while, I'm waiting for an appointment,
Again, Thanks for the information, I will keep you posted,
Maggie


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For your further information, I have posted a similar article earlier on through the weblink http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/387431
and it's actually included with a file attachment of the illustration of the particular acupuncture point that I have described in that article. And I hope that it will again serve as a useful reference to you.


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About my personal experience of getting totally healed from this eyelid-twitching sickness, well, in fact I was initially instructed by a psychiatric to take Rispderdal in the first place for the treatment of my Schizophrenia sickness. And having taken this medication for about one year based on his prescribed dosage, my eyelids started to twitch, quite unnoticeable by me at first, but when more and more people began to ask me the reason why I kept on blinking my eyes to anyone who looked at me, I just started to sense this particular eyelid-twitching symptom but without being aware of its underlying causes at all.

It was only when my eyelids began to twitch non-stop and violently day after day without me being able to do anything to deal with it, I then just referred this problem to my psychiatric who subsequently told me that he couldn't do anything about it and referred me instead to a the eye doctors, ENT Specialists and neurosurgeons. Having examined my conditions, medical history as well as my diet and the existing medications that I was taking by that time, they all unanimously arrived at the diagnosis that the eyelid-twitching was definitely and undoubtedly caused by the prolonged intake of Risperdal which actually carried such side effects of muscle spasms especially the ones inflicted on the upper part of the face of a person who took it for a certain period of time.

In fact, by that time, I just accordingly follow the advice of the new psychiatrist and replace this Risperdal with an alternative medication called Seroquel,which was actually a second-generation drug that didn't cause that much muscle-spasms side effects. However, even after I had quit taking Risperdal for more than 6 months, the violent non-stop twtichings still persisted. And actually before I decided to seek acupuncture treatment (as recommended by my friends) to deal with this sickness, I did accept the suggestion of a neurosurgeon to take Botox injections to deal with the problematic eyelid-muscles that caused all the twitchings. Next, the Botox injections, in fact did give positive results in the first place whereby my eyelids just didn't twitch that violently after being given the injections.

However, upon knowing from the neurosurgeon that Botox injections was actually not an effective cure for this eyelid-twitching sickness, for the very reason that the medications would just serve to sort of 'half-paralyse' the eyelid muscles without being able to do anything curative to the problematic nerves around the twitching eye muscles, coupled with the fact that such Botox medications tend to get immunized by the human body, it would just mean that larger and larger quantities of such medications would be required for each subsequent injection therapy (which last for 3-6 months each) in order to achieve the similar healing effect of the previous ones.

Besides, it was also actually a very expensive therapy as it would cost me about 5,000 dollars for each injection therapy session and hence, to keep on spending such huge sums of money to stop my eyelids from twitching would just be very unreasonable.

Whilst the neurosurgeon mentioned to me also about a surgical treatment to effectively cure the eyelid-twitching, the operation, apart from being very costly, was also actually a very risky one as its failure may very well bring blindness to the persons being operated. At the same time, even such surgery were to turn out to be successful, it would also be unable to achieve 100% complete healing to anyone being operated in the sense that the eyelid-twitching conditions can never 'look perfectly normal' like the ones who were totally not troubled by such a sickness at all. So, I just eventually gave up the idea of getting a surgery to treat the sickness.

Being terribly desperate, I just came to the decision of referring my eyelid-twitching sickness to an acupuncture expert which was recommended to me previously by my friends. Frankly speaking, at first I didn't actually have any faith or confidence in such a needle-based therapy and I hardly believed that these needles alone would be able to get my eyelid-twiching healed. Next, having received such therapy, my eyelids still twitched violently like before without any improvements.

However, after taking a good sleep at night that particular day after the acupuncture treatment, I just woke up the next day and found that there were lots of dried mucus that stuck around my eyes, and surprisingly, after rubbing away these dried mucus to open up my eyes, my eyelids just don't twitch so violently anymore and immediately I was able to do the simple readings and watch tv as well as work with the PC screen without getting any discomfort. And based on the acupuncturist who dealt with my sickness, that acupuncture point as mentioned in that main article was actually directly interconnected with the bundle of nerves around the eye muslces, and so by administering treatment to it, that will sort of applying some kind of 'reflexology stimulus' to the nerves around the eye-muscles to improve the blood circulation around that area as well as to strengthen these specific nerves and to enable any unwanted metabolism wastes, blockages and toxins accumulated around that eye areas to be effectively purged out of a person's body (through dried mucus around one's eyes) And having applied that therapy on my own as instructed by the acupuncturist, my eyelid-twitching condition just got better and better day after day and within 2 months, the sickness was totally gone whereby my I just appeared to be perfectly normal to anyone who talked, looked and stared at me until now.

Though the therapy mechanism mentioned above could hardly be scientifially verified and proven by the modern medical science, however, as far as a patient suffering from this sickness is concerned, it is more the very effective cure for such sickness itself rather than all other medical and scientific reasonings that would eventually matter the most to the patients. As such, this is the main reason why I would seek acupuncture treatment as a last resort to deal with my eyelid-twitching sickness.

And being subsequently encouraged by the dozens of successful cases of those other people in my real life who had been troubled persistently by such non-stop eyelid-twitching sickness and who then eventually got effectively and totally healed in time through the acupuncture technique that I recommended to them, I was thus greatly inspired to post such article about my very own genuine personal experience of getting totally cured from such a sickness to at least give a clue and some guidelines to the ones who are still being troubled by it so that the similar wonderful thing will happen to them too.


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Suggested Acupuncture Cure Mentioned Above For Non-stop Eyelid-twitching

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Note: The following is only meant as reference materials to the intended readers.

This is meant as a follow-up to give you some additional details about the acupuncture technique I have mentioned to you before. Well, regarding the acupuncture point I have mentioned in my prior articles for the suggested cure for non-stop eyelid-twitching, its exact location is at the back of the palm of one's right hand, which is 1.5 cm measured vertically from the point of intersection (that would appear visibly when the fingers are closed loosely together) between the thumb and the forefinger. (Kindly take note that this point is located at a much 'fleshy' instead of a much 'boney' area - perhaps you would need to briefly explore that part of your right hand at the same time to locate that point, and I hope you will understand that the hand structures of each person differ from one another).

When the acupuncture point is identified and marked accordingly, you can then re-open your hand , and then what you all can do is to sit down, and at the same time press that point (using just mild force) with any long blunt-pointed object such as toothpick, a normal writing pen (which is out of ink of course) etc against your chin (suggested for convenience purpose) for a continuous 2 hours, and it's preferably to do that when you are about to go to sleep at night (so that you have more free time to do it). However , if you are eager to find out the very exact location of that particular acupuncture point to further verify the information given above, I would suggest you to seek consultancy from a licensed acupuncturist.

Please be reminded that a good sleep at night throughout the therapy period is essential for the healing to be effectively done. And a person shouldn't associate oneself again with the underlying causes such as over-straining of the eyes, excessive cafeine intake, allergy/overdosage of certain medication (with muscle spasms side effects) that causes this eyelid-twitching to the particular person in the first place to avoid a relapse of that sickness, especially after getting cured from it.

Please refer to the thumbnail attached in http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/387431 for a pictorial illustration of that acupuncture point. Thank you.


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  • Posted by cacye Denver,CO (My Page) on
    Mon, Feb 18, 08 at 17:25

You might have Lyme disease. Or you might have a lack of certain vitamins and minerals. Start with 100 mg each of major B vitamins(some are in micrograms, those, odviously, will be in smaller doses). Make sure you get magnesium, at lest 500mg a day plus calcium, 1 gram a day. Also get at least 500 mg D a day. You might want to add selenium if your soils are short of it as well, and boron. 3 mg boron a day. I don't know the dose for selenium. If you have Lyme disease or some other organism causing this, you can get colloidal silver(we used Nature's Sunshine from www.naturessunshine.com). Put some on your eyes like eye drops. This has helped people with Morgellon's and Lyme disease with their spasms. Try the vitamins first, and if the other symptoms get worse, especially the joint pain, see a doctor. You may eventially want to see someone in infectious diseases if this does not resolve itself. Another thing that occurs to me, have you been near any pesticide sprays? Several of these can cause your symptoms. Do you take any new medications for anything? Work with chemicals? Live or work in a new area that may have chemicals you don't know about? You may have to play detective with your life before seeing a doctor so that you can rule out certain factors. Let me know what happens. I care. pastine29@hotmail.com


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It's actually diagnosed as one of the symptoms of Tardive Dyskinesia (neuroleptic medication-induced repetitive, involuntary, purposeless facial muscle movements).

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/921990098.html

http://www.webportal.com.my/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4437


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Further References For Tardive Dyskinesia Syndrome

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.jsp?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/tardive_dyskinesia.jsp

http://www.knowledgeofhealth.com/report.asp?story=Tardive+Dyskinesia+Horror+Stories&catagory=Conventional+Medicine,+Drugs,+Brain


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Follow-up :

Please refer to the weblink below for a follow-up of the information given above :

http://community.kget.com/forums/thread/2561470.aspx


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In fact most of the prolonged neuromuscular eyelid twitching disorders nowadays are closely connected to the side effects of modern medications especially the Atypical Antipsychotics that carry the side effects of Extrapyramidal Symptoms (EPS), Tardive Dyskinesia (TD) etc that would potentially and eventually disturb the normal functioning of the dopamine receptors (one of the main neurotransmitters in our nervous system / key elements of neuron (nerve cells) essential for the control of human body motions) such as blocking them etc (in carrying out their medical mechanisms to cure certain other sicknesses and unfortunately is also one of the unavoidable side effects of such medications). Next, such a situation would then lead to bodily chemical imbalances and then potential interruptions to the "message sending, conveying and relaying" neuron operations between the human brain and any parts of the human body that would in turn trigger off a variety of largely uncontrollable involuntary and purposeless movement disorders on any parts of our body, including the eyes organ that are substantially beyond control of the ones suffering from them.

As such, in the case of prolonged neuromuscular eyelid twitchings, since it is the dopamine-disturbing substances / other 'contaminating agents' that disturb the eyes nerves and cause all the unwanted twitchings, spasms, tics etc, getting rid of them from the eyes nerves /related nerves around the particular organ having the twitchings would then naturally, reasonably, logically and obviously be the most clear-cut, direct and straightforward way of curing such a neurological / neuromuscular sickness.

Unfortunately, in terms of the formal mainstream western medical science (in contrast to such alternative therapies as acupuncture etc), the particular technology of administering direct and effective treatments onto the peripheral nerves around a particular area of muscles having certain neurological movements / neuromuscular disorders (in order to cure them effectively) simply has not yet been found/invented/developed/discovered by the modern medical science of the formal western medication.

Next, even such sophisticated medication as Botox injections could only deal with such neuromuscular disorders merely through indirect means of 'interception' by 'half-paralysing' the areas of muscles having the twitchigs (even in the case where the muscles themselves do not have any problems / simply are not the root cause of such twitchings) without being able to deal with the problematic nerves causing all those unwanted twitchings to those muscles. And that's the reason why the recipients of Botox injections would need to get such treatments over and over again when the muscle-paralysing effects of such medications lapse totally (after 3-6 months).

Therefore, such an argument actually suggests the main reason why a person troubled with chronic prolonged eye twitching problems would hardly get their problems effectively solved by using such formal therapies as eye drops, vitamin / mineral pills, anti-muscle-spasms injections, medications etc as they simply do not or rather cannot deal directly and effectively with the underlying problematic nerves around the twitching eyes /other muscles & organs that cause all those unwanted twitchings. This is due to the underlying fact that the 'right technology' for the treatment of such neuromuscular disorders simply doesn't exist in the present day western medical science (which covers the those treatments mentioned above). I may appear to sound a little arrogant to you by making that remark, nevertheless, that's simply the truth.

In this regard, I was caught in such a predicament / difficult situation too during the initial period when I firstly sought repeated but futile treatments from such formal medical personnel and specialists of the western medication to deal with my Tardive Dyskinesia-induced non-stop eyelid twitching before I finally got it totally cured once and for all through the acupuncture treatment which serve to deal with the root cause of the non-stop eyelid-twitching problem by purging / driving out the dopamine-disturbing substances / other contaminating agents that cause all the non-stop twitchings gradually and eventually out of my body enabling me to get healed in the end.


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A New Version For The Self-administered Acupuncture Cure For Non-stop Persistent Eyelid-twitching


Thanks for taking an interest in my posts made in this website. At the same time, I also have received lots of positive feedbacks from my email inbox from other persons (troubled by such annoying non-stop eyelid twitching sickness) giving thanks to me for the curative benefits they experience upon exercising the suggested alternative instrument-aided self-administered acupuncture method.

In response to the additional enquiries about the suggested self-administered acupuncture method that these persons have made to me so far through the emails, I thus would like to provide to the intended readers a new version about this acupuncture therapy which contains other extra and more in-depth details as follows : -

Well, regarding the 'He Gu' acupuncture point I have mentioned in my prior articles for the suggested cure for non-stop eyelid-twitching, its exact location is at the back of the palm of one's right hand, which is 1.5 cm (applicable to the average grown adults only) measured vertically from the point of intersection (that would appear visibly when the fingers are closed loosely together) between the thumb and the forefinger. (Kindly take note that this point is located at a much 'fleshy' instead of a much 'boney' area - perhaps you would need to briefly explore that part of your right hand at the same time to locate that point, and I hope you will understand that the hand structures of each person differ from one another).

When the acupuncture point is identified and marked accordingly, you can then re-open your hand , and then what you all can do is to sit down, and at the same time press that onto the surface of that acupuncture point (using just mild force) with any long blunt-pointed object such as toothpick, a normal writing pen (which is out of ink of course) etc against your chin (suggested for convenience purpose) for a continuous 2 hours (during any time in a day), and it's preferably to do that when you are about to go to sleep at night (so that you have more free time to do it). However , if you are eager to find out the very exact location of that particular acupuncture point to further verify the information given above, I would suggest you to seek consultancy from a licensed acupuncturist.

In this regard, based on the acupuncturist, the blunt-pointed objects such as normal writing pen (which is out-of-ink of course) etc instructed to me for such self-administred therapy is actually intended as a substitute for the acupuncture needle to deal effectively with the particular acupuncture point.

Unlike the other traditional method of acupressure which involves the use of fingers to press and massage the acupuncture points, the use of blunt-pointed object in such a case for the treatment of chronic eyelid-twtiching is actually meant as a 'leverage' to provide an adequately focused and hence a 'reflexology stimulus' that is strong enough to deal more precisely and effectively with that acupuncture point.

Whereas, if that acupuncture point is to be treated with fingers, the stimulus effect generated would be very much smaller due to the fact that such pressings and massagings would reasonably not last long enough to provide any reliefs for the chronic eyelid-twitching. Besides, given the larger suface area of the fingers as well as their rounded physical shape (compared to the blunt-pointed objects), a large part of the forces produced from such pressings and massagings would then be reasonably applied onto the related muscles rather than directly onto the intended nerves through the related acupuncture point to deal effectively with such sickness.

Please be reminded that a good sleep at night throughout the therapy period is essential for the healing to be effectively done. And a person shouldn't associate oneself again with the underlying causes such as over-straining of the eyes, excessive cafeine intake, allergy/overdosage of certain medication (with muscle spasms side effects) that causes this non-stop eyelid-twitching to the particular person in the first place to avoid a relapse of that sickness, especially after getting cured from it.

Please take note that one should continually apply that method in the case where it proves to be effective in dealing with the eyelid twitching problem (after trying it for about 3 days' time).

For your reference, I get my eyelid twitching stopped the next day after the acupuncture treatment. But when I stop the treatment for the next few days, the twitchings just come back again. Based on the acupuncturist, the explanation for the relapse is such that if one were to apply just one-off / short-term treatment, it would then only serve to disperse the dopamine-disturbing toxin / other 'contaminating agents' around one's eye nerves enabling the twitching to stop just temporarily (without totally purging such toxins / 'contaminating agents' out of the human body). So, it works just like doing a physiotherapy whereby one should complete the whole course of treatment (in this case, applying that self-administered technique persistently for weeks / a few months) to get the eyelid-twitching sickness totally cured effectively once and for all in the end.

Next, the suggested duration of two-hour period/day (continuous non-stop healing process) for that self-administered treatment is just what I have recommended so far to other persons having the similar symptoms based on my very own healing experience from this eyelid-twitching sickness and the others who suffer from it (who eventually get it totally cured). All in all, it would acutally depend on one's healing progress for the eyelid twitching sickness upon applying that suggested self-administered acupuncture method.


Related References :


Diagram of The 'He Gu' Acupuncture Point :

http://curezone.com/upload/Art/Animation/Attachment_File.gif

Medical References For The 'He Gu' Acupuncture Point :

http://www.acuxo.com/meridianPictures.asp?point=LI4&meridian=Lar ge Intestine


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Additional Details For The Self-administered Acupuncture Cure For Blepharospasm / Chronic Non-stop Rapid Eyelid-twitching / Eye-blinking - How does one know that one is applying pressure exactly at the right acupuncture point? (Please Refer To The Diagram Weblink Added Below)


The information as follows is added accordingly in response to further additional feedbacks and enquiries made ever-increasingly by the ones troubled with chronic non-stop rapid eyelid-twitching / eye-blinking problems (especially the medication-induced ones) seeking helps from me through the emails.

About the question of how would one know that he / she is applying the blunt-pointed instrument-aided pressure at the right point (the "He Gu" acupuncture point - please refer to the diagram weblink added below), well, the nerves of our bodies especially the ones closely adjacent to each other, would tend to interwind, overlap and interconnect among one another. Whilst the 1.5 cm and its location on the wrist as portrayed in the diagram mentioned above for the 'He Gu' acupuncture point is actually a standard measure for the size of the hands of the average grown adults.

Next, applying blunt-pointed instrument-aided pressings upon it (or any points around that 'He Gu' acupuncture point area) will actually generate direct stimulations to the other nerves surrounding that pressed point around the wrist area as well, and subsequently, produce a reflexology stimulus / 'qi' that will flow / travel right up to the 'final destinations'(please refer to the medical references weblink added in the related weblink below), which are the peripheral nerves attached to the muscles of the entire face, especially the eyelids to generate the desired healing effects to the intended areas by gradually restoring their bodily chemical balances. In my case and the others, that acupuncture technique actually serves to gradually and eventually drive out the risperdal toxins / other related contaminating substances that disrupt the normal functioning of the dopamine neurotransmitters chemicals of the neurons / nerve cells around our eyelid muscles and cause all those rapid unwanted eyelid-twitching / eye-blinking, totally out of our bodies and enable us to get totally cured once and for all in the end.

Lastly, I hope that the information given above will be useful to the intended readers. Thank you.


Related References :

Diagram For The "He Gu" Acupuncture Point :

http://curezone.com/upload/Art/Animation/Attachment_File.gif

Medical References For the "He Gu" Acupuncture Point

http://www.acuxo.com/meridianPictures.asp?point=LI4&meridian=Lar ge Intestine


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I'm assuming that since stainless steel is not an herb OL won't jump down my throat for saying that acupuncture is 100% pure placebo effect.

One study Shows that real acupuncture doesn't work any better than sham acupuncture.

Another study showed that the needles don't even need to break the skin, the patient just needs to think that they do.

Don't waste you time or risk infection, go get a backrub and have a margarita or two, put your feet up and watch some TV, get enough sleep, and eat well. An infection from putting a dirty needle into dirty skin will only make your stress worse.


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I'm assuming that since stainless steel is not an herb OL won't jump down my throat for saying that acupuncture is 100% pure placebo effect.
One study Shows that real acupuncture doesn't work any better than sham acupuncture.

'Another study showed that the needles don't even need to break the skin, the patient just needs to think that they do.

Don't waste you time or risk infection, go get a backrub and have a margarita or two, put your feet up and watch some TV, get enough sleep, and eat well. An infection from putting a dirty needle into dirty skin will only make your stress worse.'


Well, as a matter of fact, I don't think that it's actually fully warranted for you to make such derogatorily disparaging remarks at this very point of time about the effectiveness of acupuncture, including my suggested acupuncture technique / cure meant for the chronic non-stop eyelid-twitching / eye-blinking sickness, especially the medication-induced ones.

Please be informed that apart from those numerous people in my real life getting totally healed throught my suggested acupuncture method throughout these few years, I have also received lots of immediate positive feedbacks associated with the effectiveness of the suggested acupuncture method from my email inbox from the ones seeking helps from me for their chronic eyelid-twitching / eye-blinking problems ever since the very beginning of this year.

So, empirically if more and more people troubled with chronic eyelid-twitching / eye-blinking problems just get cured eventually once and for all having applied my suggested acupuncture cure for such disorders, can it still be deemed as a scenario of 'mere coincidences' or labelled as the so-called '100% pure placebo effect', sham acupuncture etc like what you have commented ?


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Numerous people in your real life is an anecdote, or since it is plural anecdotes, not evidence. Design a study to test if it works, blind the practitioners as to if they are really doing what they thing they are doing and blind the patients as to if the acupuncture is real ... Oh wait you don't have to its been done, unless you have a counter study to invalidate that study you are just griping about how unhappy you are that I used evidence to show that you are talking about something that doesn't work.

Also with something generally stress induced a placebo typically works, and if acupuncturists were always clean about their needles (I.E. no one ever lost a limb to infection or got hep c) and no one went to acupuncture for more serious medical problems (Like heart disease and cancer) then I would have only a little problem with it, but they treat everything from allergies to arterial blockage, so they need to be shown just how little they do.

Problems with acupuncture, anecdotes yes, but they still prove that acupuncture hurts some people http://whatstheharm.net/acupuncture.html

Here is a link that might be useful: Whats the harm


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'Numerous people in your real life is an anecdote, or since it is plural anecdotes, not evidence.'


Well, anyone troubled with the non-brain-damage related, and especially the Tardive Dyskinesia / medication-induced chronic eyelid-twitching / eye-blinking and just have a try with my suggested method and experience the eventual result to judge whether it's purely a scam or something really genuine. Anyway, if my suggested acupuncture cure for such eyelid-twitching / eye-blinking disorders cannot even withstand such a mere test of genuinity to prove its effectiveness, then it would have been a failure in itself long time ago whilst numerous people would have known it by now / sooner or later, and there's certainly no need at all for you to make so much comments against it.

Anyway, as a social worker working for the benefits of others, my main purpose of making posts about my healing experience from such Tardive Dyskinesia / medication-induced chronic eyelid-twitching / eye-blinking over the various websites over the internet so far is not much on advocating the 'supermacy' of acupuncture (and to tell you very frankly, I myself is not an acupuncturist, but just someone who eventually get that eye-related sickness totally cured acupuncture by some chances and lucks - and that was definitely a close shave to me and later on to the numerous others), and as a matter of fact, my ultimate aim of doing so is, purely on humanitarian grounds, to expose certain really unfair and inequitable scenarios of various ethical misconducts related to the medical profession that have brought lot of unncecessary miseries to lots of pitiful and ignorant people, especially the ones in certain less-developed countries in the hope that such sorry plights can be redressed and remedied in the days to come.


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Please try to understand that the truth will come to light eventually and I'm actually not trying to fool anyone, but to help those in need.


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What is this test of genuiness? you are talking about people who went out and tried what you suggested, and I'll bet you didn't hear back from 100% of them, so you have conformation bias as a possible addition. Eye twitching is a transient symptom so a number of the people would have been cured by random chance alone at the right time, then you have no placebo control so you have no earthly reason what so ever to say that it is not placebo effect. You don't have anything to say until you blind the test, which you aren't going to do. So find me a blinded test that shows what you are claiming and you will have evidence and not a guess.


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First off, in cases like this where there is a chronic annoying condition and no relief from standard interventions, trying some form of (probable) placebo might actually be helpful, or at least seem to be for awhile. Whether acupuncture is the answer on the basis of cost, convenience and (occasionally) safety is another matter.

To address some points made by eow c:

"...if my suggested acupuncture cure for such eyelid-twitching / eye-blinking disorders cannot even withstand such a mere test of genuinity to prove its effectiveness, then it would have been a failure in itself long time ago whilst numerous people would have known it by now"

Well, no. As brendan has pointed out, practitioners of unproven alternative remedies tout their positive feedback and tend to ignore the negatives, and the same reporting bias shows up in forums such as this one. The end result is that dubious treatments get enshrined in folklore as effective even when they aren't. While evidence-based medicine eventually chucks out the ineffective and dangerous remedies, the bad alternative treatments remain forever.

"...as a matter of fact, my ultimate aim of doing so is, purely on humanitarian grounds, to expose certain really unfair and inequitable scenarios of various ethical misconducts related to the medical profession that have brought lot of unncecessary miseries to lots of pitiful and ignorant people"

This desire to "show up" the medical profession is a frequent refrain among alt med advocates. It's understandable in people who've been frustrated by perceived shortcomings in how their conditions have been handled, but it's also a source of damaging bias in how they evaluate alternative therapies. Some posters here have never understood this - no matter how bad and evil you think mainstream medicine is, that doesn't excuse the failings of alt med or exempt it from the same scrutiny and skepticism that mainstream medicine is subjected to.

"In fact most of the prolonged neuromuscular eyelid twitching disorders nowadays are closely connected to the side effects of modern medications especially the Atypical Antipsychotics that carry the side effects of Extrapyramidal Symptoms"

While eow c's experience has made him/her acutely conscious of this potential connection, eyelid twitching in most cases is not due to medication side effects, but as mentioned earlier is commonly related to fatigue, stress and caffeine intake, as well as a host of neuromuscular disorders and in numerous cases to essential blepharospasm, a chronic eyelid twitching disorder without known cause.

To get back to acupuncture, it has some support in treatment of certain conditions in the scientific literature, but much of this evidence comes from limited or poorly designed studies, and/or from countries in which researchers hardly ever have negative things to say about acupuncture (for instance, China, where virtually 100% of studies report positive results - by contrast, half or more of studies in major Western nations give negative findings).

"Both large trials and this review of reviews come to the same general conclusion; that over a whole range of conditions and outcomes acupuncture cannot yet be shown to be effective".


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'While eow c's experience has made him/her acutely conscious of this potential connection, eyelid twitching in most cases is not due to medication side effects, but as mentioned earlier is commonly related to fatigue, stress and caffeine intake, as well as a host of neuromuscular disorders and in numerous cases to essential blepharospasm, a chronic eyelid twitching disorder without known cause.

To get back to acupuncture, it has some support in treatment of certain conditions in the scientific literature, but much of this evidence comes from limited or poorly designed studies, and/or from countries in which researchers hardly ever have negative things to say about acupuncture (for instance, China, where virtually 100% of studies report positive results - by contrast, half or more of studies in major Western nations give negative findings).


"Both large trials and this review of reviews come to the same general conclusion; that over a whole range of conditions and outcomes acupuncture cannot yet be shown to be effective".'


In fact, I could see nothing so far but merely your dogmatic biases about acupuncture, or rather any forms of acupuncture and other alternative medicines that you would never hesitate to invariably label them as 'mere shams' regardless of whether they are really helpful or not.


If acupuncture is really 'totally useless' or just a 'mere placebo' like what you have claimed to be, then I would pretty sure that such a branch of medication would have already faded into total extinction and full oblivion numerous centuries ago rather than getting wider and wider recognitions worldwide nowadays.


If acupuncture is merely a sham like what you deem it to be, do you think that it can continue in existence and be acceptable worldwide until now ?


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So are you making an argument from antiquity? saying that nothing can survive for thousands of years with out working? Think long and hard before you answer.

In the mean time do you have a study to show that it works? Because one good study shuts us up for a good long while, and means you win the argument. Emphasis on the word GOOD.


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eow c, I think you may have me confused with brendan, as I haven't labeled acupuncture as a "mere sham" or "totally useless" (try reading my post again).

I also noted that even placebo treatments have their place in certain conditions.

What's important is that potential users of acupuncture go into it with their eyes open and some knowledge of whether it is likely to help them or not, and whether some other form of alternative treatment might be better from the standpoint of convenience, safety and cost. I have personally used acupuncture in the past; while it did nothing for me, another might find at least some temporary relief.

For another example of a treatment that's survived since olden times despite lack of evidence of efficacy, look no further than homeopathy.


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'eow c, I think you may have me confused with brendan, as I haven't labeled acupuncture as a "mere sham" or "totally useless" (try reading my post again).
I also noted that even placebo treatments have their place in certain conditions.

What's important is that potential users of acupuncture go into it with their eyes open and some knowledge of whether it is likely to help them or not, and whether some other form of alternative treatment might be better from the standpoint of convenience, safety and cost. I have personally used acupuncture in the past; while it did nothing for me, another might find at least some temporary relief.

For another example of a treatment that's survived since olden times despite lack of evidence of efficacy, look no further than homeopathy.'

I quite agree with your reasonings

However, as a matter of fact empirically, in terms of medication-induced eyelid-twitchings / eye-blinkings the powerful nerve-disrupting side effects of certain medications simply can hardly be neutralized / offset by any other medications (once such side effects manifest onto the users).

Coupled with the fact that such eyelid-twitchings / eye-blinkings are caused by the invisible problematic nerves underneath the surface twitching eyelid muscles (that are totally OK both apparently and medically), one could really end up at his / her wits end in the face of such a prolonged annoying 'visually incapacitating' problem.

So, when almost all the formal means from the mainstream medication of resolving such chronic eyelid-twitching / eye-blinking problems have fully been exhausted, shouldn't the ones suffering from such chronic disorders try out alternative medicines as their last resorts ?

Lastly, please accept my apology for my having made those arrogant remarks in the prior posts and I feel really sorry if they have appeared to be upsetting to you all. Thank you.


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Doyou have a study that shows that this works though, outside of your own experience. Our own experiences can be quite misleading, because we do not set our lives up in order to study, we set our lives up in order to live.


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'Do you have a study that shows that this works though, outside of your own experience. Our own experiences can be quite misleading, because we do not set our lives up in order to study, we set our lives up in order to live.'

Well, actually as a part-time social worker providing counselling services especially to the in-patients of the government-funded psychiatric wards and other special-care nursing homes (of my own home country which is less-developed), me as well as the others would quite often face some really difficult problems gaining the trust, faith and confidence from those people that we are trying to help, particularly the ones whose Tardive Dyskinesia syndrome, especially the rapid eyelid-twitching / eye-blinking symptoms have manifested for a long time (for months to a few years).

Next, such people would tend to feel very much dejected, distressed and some times really aggressively frustrated over the physically incapacitating pains and afflictions that they have got no choice but need to live with to 'get on' with their miserable daily lives.

So, out of the reasons of both sympathy as well as practical necessity to calm them down so that they will eventually 'listen to us', me and my other fellow social workers just recommend that suggested acupuncture method to them in the hope that it will ease their pains effectively.

Luckily, the acupuncture technique that works out well for me actually turn out to be effective to them too and the successful cases just increase from time to time and these patients, having obtained reliefs from their Tardive Dyskinesia disorders (rapid eyelid-twitching / eye-blinking) also subsequently feel very much relieved and are willing to co-operate with us in the efforts of helping them to live meaningfully and more healthily with ever-greater levels of sanity. Therefore, it thus makes our works very much easier.

So, by posting such articles about my / (our) healing experience from such debilitating disorder, I just hope that I can reach out to more and more people in need of that so they they will find reliefs through that technique too. One way or the other, I also wish to share my / (our) healing experience from such eye-related disorder with the intended readers / recipients so that they would at least get some additional cues / references about the causes and other alternative treatment for such disorder.

Lastly, given that being merely social workers occupationally unrelated to the medical fields, and hence by no practical means that such a 'study' can be professionally and formally conducted by us to obtain duly accredited certifications and verifications, I somehow wish that a carefully-conducted studies will possibly be conducted one day by the related medical personnel / researchers to further explore the acupuncture treatment for full-findings of its other hidden therapeutical potentials


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From what you said it seems like you think the fact that people count on you and trust you means that you are less likely to make a mistake. We are all human and all make the same mistakes, it takes a lot of work focusing on thought processes to recognize them and even more self discipline to deal with them.

There is just no way for you to know that what you are telling people to do is working, well it may be making most of them feel better but you can't know that sugar pills wouldn't make them feel just as good but a whole lot more cheaply and a whole lot more safely. You say you have been sending eople to an acupuncturist for quite a while, and since you are a social worker I'm guessing that you aren't working with the financially well off, how many tens of thousands of dollars do you think worked there way out of the pockets of your cases when all of them could have been treated with $2 a piece worth of sugar? How about the risk of infection? You must have some people with some bad blood born conditions, something like Hep C, what if they go to someone who reuses needles, cleaning them with a quick rub down and some prayer.

Its not a trivial thing, there are studies and you should examine them critically, there are people who can help you figure out what they are saying and what they mean. No one has time to study even the tiniest fraction of what they should know about, there is just too much to know and do, thats why we have set up a rigid system of pre and post publication peer review, and we get together and agree on methods that should point to the truth and since we can trust the process we can trust the results.

I used to do the same thing that you do, I really defended Alt med and tell people all about it, but then I learned to think and use the scientific method, and then I learned about the logical fallacies and about proper blinding and I saw what was so wrong with so much of the free range medical community. They make very testable claims "this will help you be healthier" and we should examine those claims, they should not get a free pass.

Incidentally what really put me off of Alt Med was an acupuncturist who did applied kinesiology, Standing in the office having him push y arm down holding a glass vial at the age of 13 I could tell that it was a stupid ass idea for detecting allergies, because the chemical interactions couldn't possibly happen through the glass vial.


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I would definitely agree totally with your comments if it turns out that there's really a formal and conclusively total cure available from the mainstream western medical science for chronic eyelid-twitching / eye-blinking, particularly the ones manifesting as one of the symptoms of Tardive Dyskinesia due to the almost irreversible side effects of certain medications.

Unfortunately, not only my very own experience, as well as the numerous others seeking repeated formal treatments for such painful disorders, the results just turn out to be largely futile and a sheer waste of money.

Besides, I have also been 'informed' repeatedly by various people over the internet that 'there's no cure for Blepharospasm'

'So, when almost all the formal means from the mainstream medication of resolving such chronic eyelid-twitching / eye-blinking problems have fully been exhausted, shouldn't the ones suffering from such chronic disorders try out alternative medicines as their last resorts ?'

As to the remark made above, please try to make considerations from the viewpoints of the ones suffering painfully from such visually-incapacitating disorder. Would it be justified for them to be advised against trying other alternative methods that might turn out to be helpful for them in dealing with their sickness when they have actually tried their best in dealing with it through the 'proper channels'.

And if that suggested alternative method just turns out to be really effective in dealing with their Blepharospasm disorder, would it really be fair for them to be denied access to it just because the particular therapy cannot be scientifically proven / analysed / established / observed / verified for its curative methodology.

Or when the Blepharospasm disorder is 'formally proclaimed' to be inconclusively incurable by the formal western medical science, should the ones suffering from it just make do with it and accept such a harsh reality of life and keep on living painfully with such disorder for the rest of their lives ?


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The problem here is the same one that crops up in a number of chronic disorders for which the cause is not completely understood, and/or for which there are no or limited cures or just palliative treatment that relieves symptoms for lots of people.

In those cases some alt med advocates insist that their anecdotal claims should be taken as gospel, since mainstream therapies can't help everyone.

You obviously believe in acupuncture for eyelid spasms, but there's no evidence it works any better than, say, massage therapy or relaxation techniques. I don't see anyone saying that people with this condition be "denied access" to acupuncture, only that it's valuable to learn about the lack of evidence supporting its use in this condition, so that we can make informed choices about whether to try it or some other, possibly cheaper or less unpleasant alternative therapy once the more proven strategies have come up short.


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I quite agree with your reasonings.

Afterall, the ultimate genuine total cure as experienced by the patients themselves would anyway mean everything to them and I quite believe that they themselves will be able to tell the results in the case where a particular suggested therapy actually works out something remarkably effective for them.

We shall see.


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  • Posted by rsrey z8 n.c.Florida (My Page) on
    Sat, Aug 8, 09 at 21:54

First of all, massage and acupuncture are terrific.

Second, are you getting enough sleep and exercise? I'm a high school teacher, and when I'm not getting enough sleep or exercise and reading lots of papers and under the crunch time, my eyelids twitch.

The effects of stress on the body are underestimated and under-researched. There's good stress (exercise) and bad stress (job conflicts you can't change, divorce, grief, and so on).

Good luck with your quest for health!


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