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How to root a ficus cutting?

Posted by grrr4200 z3 MI (shatteredwindow@hotmail.com) on
Sat, Jun 2, 12 at 12:12

Years back (i haven't tried doing this in a while) i could readily root ficus cuttings in just water. However as of recently... that hasn't worked for me. I have a tree that i have to take some sizable pieces off of (not to thick) that i'd like to try and root.

I have sanitary clippers, and rooting hormone, which would be the best way to go about doing this? What have you done to get a better percentage of ficus cuttings to root?

Just looking for some better ideas then the water since that hasn't been working for me

Im hoping Al see's this one! Thanks for your help!


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RE: How to root a ficus cutting?

  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Sat, Jun 2, 12 at 14:56

Species?

How large (thick) are the cuttings?

Is the parent material healthy and growing well?

Al


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Species is Benjamina green.
Cuttings will range from 12-16 inches, pencil thickness to smaller. Stems are woody but not too woody- very healthy.
Parent plant is also very healthy, lots of new growth.

Thank you for your help!


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RE: How to root a ficus cutting?

  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Sun, Jun 3, 12 at 15:36

This is a variant of Ficus B called 'Too Little'. It has much smaller leaves and shorter internodes than the species plant. This is about a 3/16" tip cutting.
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I've removed several branches (6) so I'll have some node sites under the soil. Roots in benjamina are most likely to occur at node sites. If you have the species plant, take cuttings about 5 nodes long & plan on at least 3 nodes with branches or leaves removed under the soil, and 2 above.
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Leave a stub by cutting just below a node to leave your 2 nodes. If you cut too close, the cutting will dry back from your cut & the whole branch below the cut can fail. This cutting will produce a plant with a LOT of stems - probably 7-8 because each of the apical meristems will end up being a 'trunk'. You can reduce the number of trunks by pruning later, if you wish.
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If you only want 1 trunk, It's better to prepare a cutting like this, and plant the lower part at an angle, unless you want the trunk to emerge from the soil at an angle. I prefer this to the same old vertical trunk.
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If your cutting has a lot of foliage on it, you'll need to shorten it to 2-3 nodes and perhaps cut the leaf in half across the venation to reduce water demands and prevent failure. Always keep leaves closest to the root end and remove those distal.
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Stick the cutting into a coarse medium with excellent aeration. Make SURE, if you have to use potting soil, that the pot is deep enough to ensure the bottom of the cutting will always be above the maximum ht of any perched water.
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For cuttings, air in the root zone is definitely your friend, and think 'damp' not 'wet'. Tenting your cuttings is also very helpful.
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Keep cuttings in very bright indirect light. Open shade is great. Shoot for soil temps in the low to mid-70s.

A Ficus start .... I start tons of Ficus cuttings for myself & friends.
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Al


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RE: How to root a ficus cutting?

Thank you so much for your input! your opinion is greatly appreciated.

question, is there anyway to use this rooting technique with a larger cutting? I'd like these pieces im going to trim off to stay as big as possible (or from reading your message does that mean i have a lesser chance of them surviving?)

I guess a picture of the tree im going to prune and the branches in question would be easier for you to give an anwser and i can try my hardest to get you pictures.

But they would look like a standard tree only smaller, i believe my measurements were incorrect in regards to length. At least one of the cuttings i know will be about 2 feet long in total. I can trim back the branches on the plant as you suggested no problem but id like it to keep its straight trunk apeal and not cut that portion down.(i'd like to grow these cuttings as standards) trimming up as they grow or maybe even letting them grow wild.

I also have a rocky mixture as you pictured with perlite and vermiculite.

The specimen i purchased has a 'natural' growth pattern and not one of those over pruned nursery trees with the lolly pop top. It's more 'free spirited' and 'untamed' There are a total of 4 branches i'll be pruning just because they make the tree look awkward lol. I shall try to take pictures! Again Al, thank you so much for your help! I really value your opinion


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RE: How to root a ficus cutting?

  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Sun, Jun 3, 12 at 17:59

Thank you for the kind words. You must live in da UP, eh? In more southerly locales, you can start some pretty big cuttings - like up to an inch in diameter, but in MI, if you want to propagate something that large, it'd be better by air-layer.

With nature in charge, a free-spirited and untamed tree always looks good .... or at least interesting. Growing indoors alters a tree's natural growth habit, so indoors, 'free-spirited and untamed' usually means a shambles, unless you get a hand in the process and help things along. A straight trunk shouts 'formal', so a straight trunk with branches left to their own devices (free-spirited and wild) will end up being something of a paradox. The trained eye will pick it up right away. The untrained eye might not be able to identify what looks unnatural about the tree, but will nevertheless pick up on the incongruity. Still though, it's your call & you should grow your tree however you like, and not how I like.

You can probably do w/o the vermiculite. It holds a lot of water and breaks down into smaller particles quickly. Screened/rinsed perlite is great for starting cuttings. For most things, I just use the gritty mix - it's great. If I have an especially valued cutting, I'll mix up some screened Turface & crushed granite @ 50/50, which is just the gritty mix with the bark left out.

Al


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lol yeah der eh? you betcha! I do live in the UP:) you caught me! although it seems that spring has finally sprung and hopefully June will turn out to be less of a rainy mess then it started! Im gonna give this a go! I also have grow lights that i can put these babies under just in case they need more light (i dont know which direction my windows face but my ficus trees LOVE it!)

Should i allow these cuttings an hour or two to stop milking before planting? should i add root hormone? Im gonna try this gritty mix you speak of. I've been referring to you as the 'Ficus God' while bringing up this tree in my conversations lol. I believe with your advice they shall survive!


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RE: How to root a ficus cutting?

  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Mon, Jun 4, 12 at 7:39

I wouldn't be worried about the oozing. If you swish the cuttings in water after you prepare them, you're good to go. I've never found rooting aid necessary because Ficus comes so easy from cuttings, but it may be helpful in that it could hasten root formation. We're at a distinct disadvantage here in MI because of our short growing season, but good lighting offers hope. To give credit where it is due, the real Ficus God, at least in the US, is probably Jerry Meislik, a fellow bonsai practitioner. He has written a book called "Ficus - The Exotic Bonsai" that is packed full of good information, if you're interested. ISBN #0-9749524-0-0

Best luck - have fun.

Al


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Thank you again Al! let the cutting commence! I wish (like facebook) garden web had a like button for comments:) You are truely most helpful. Thank you!


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RE: How to root a ficus cutting?

Hello,

I have a related question regarding rooting ficus cuttings, and I hope you don't mind a slight hijack of the thread. I have two thin cuttings (perhaps 4mm in diameter), from a strongly growing parent plant. Unfortunately I started rooting them before I found proper instructions, so they are currently each situated in a glass of water. Roots are sprouting and are about as long as the stem is wide, so they are just sticking straight out to the sides.

It is my understanding that these roots are weaker from growing in water. Is it a good idea to replant these in another medium ASAP, or is there any reason to keep them where they are for a while longer and replanting them when the roots have developed further?

My thinking is that it's better to get it over with as soon as possible, but it would be nice to know if there is a recommended medium or a specific way to proceed in my suboptimal situation.

The ingredients I have are grit, DE, perlite and bark. I could make a proper gritty mix, but if the roots are fragile, perhaps placing them in perlite would inflict less damage.

Best regards,

/Henrik


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RE: How to root a ficus cutting?

  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Wed, Aug 8, 12 at 18:07

If you have the gritty mix, I'd use that. Use a smallish container - something like the medicine bottle I hold in my left hand above. Put a little mix in the bottom of the container, then gently rest the proximal end on the soil & fill in around the roots with a teaspoon, gently raining soil down on the roots. If you see any voids developing, use a skewer or other small tool to push soil particles into the voids. Water as soon as you're done filling. I'd probably not even bother tenting them if they already have roots, but I'd get them into soil asap. Open shade outdoors is where I would keep them until they root. Pot up as soon as you see the container getting slightly congested. It's ok if some of the soil falls off during the potting up. That's preferable to a root mass that remains intact.

Good luck - how is your F benjamina doing?

Al


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Thanks for your advice once again. I will plant them as soon as time permits.

My F. benjamina seemed to be doing well for 4-5 days after the repotting, after which I went on a 4 day unplanned trip to Stockholm to wrap up my vacation. Unfortunately I think it dried up too much during this time and appears to be sulking somewhat. That is even though it has a larger fraction of DE than grit. Or could it be a normal reaction to the repotting? When I returned it had some yellow leaves and seemingly dry buds. It's back to regular watering now, and I think it should recover.

I don't know if it's bad form in this forum, but I'll squeeze in another question in this thread while the subject is up.

There are two questions that intertwine a bit. The plant has previously been somewhat neglected and has dried out previously. It has some smaller branches that seem dead; would it do any good to cut these off near their branching point, and could that trigger new growth from there? It goes together with the tip pruning you mentioned I could undertake after a couple of weeks. I'm still holding off on that due to its current condition, but when I think it's time, I'd like to know a bit more of what to do. The plant is small (living on my windowsill), but I think I would like to make it more dense. Would it be fine to remove some leaves by cutting off each branch which stretches in inappropriate directions, in order to stimulate branching further back. Or should I do something more radical? This isn't a plant aspiring to be a bonsai, just a "regular" houseplant. I'm sure there are many ways to go forward, but some simple guideline would help.

Best regards,

/Henrik


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RE: How to root a ficus cutting?

  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Wed, Aug 8, 12 at 21:44

It's probably not such a large breech of etiquette because you're still on topic and the thread has been quiet for a while, so I doubt anyone would fault you.

At some point, the branches will show a difference in the way the bark looks - dry instead of hydrated. When you see that difference, then it's ok to remove the branch, but don't remove it all the way back to where it branches from the trunk or a primary branch. Leave a little stub. It needn't be more than a few mms long, but it will protect the latent bud at the base of the branch from potential damage from a flush cut when pruning the branch. You can remove the stub later. Pruning dead branches won't promote backbudding except to the extent they might allow more light or air movement to the inside of the plant, which would be almost nothing of note.

If you get the plant to rebound and you can see it's doing well, you can do a little pruning to keep it in bounds or correct anything significantly wrong with its form, but you should plan on leaving as much foliage on the tree as you can tolerate. The idea is to put that foliage to work early next summer when the weather allows you to get the plant outdoors. After it builds up some substantial energy reserves, you can do your hard pruning and for form and cut every branch back to 2 leaves. That's when you'll achieve the backbudding and increased ramification (branch density) you're looking for. I know it can be agonizing for someone not used to working with the trees energy flow to wait & wait, but I can attest that planning ahead will speed the development of your tree in the end. And once you get into the rhythm, it won't be so bad. Besides, if you have to fuss over 1 or 2 trees all the time, that's a good indication you need more trees. ;-)

I have several trees in pots that I keep in my garden that will never be bonsai, but I still apply what I've learned about the art to keep them healthy and looking attractive. I have applied the techniques to plants you would never think of as being a candidate for bonsai - basil, coleus, snapdragons, geranium, pelargonium, impatiens, santolina, ..... What I share here is something you won't find in the plant books at the supermarket checkouts. It's unlikely you'll find a discussion about working with your plant's energy flow, or how/why regular root pruning is so superior to potting up or allowing a plant to languish in a rootbound state, or how to stimulate and optimize the reactions in your plant that you want to see, all the while keeping your plant healthy. While the source of what I share is deeply rooted in my pursuit of some sort of proficiency at bonsai, it's widely applicable to a very large % of the plants we grow. That is, it's widely applicable but not very widely applied. That's not because the skills aren't valuable, it's because the concepts are largely unknown and unfamiliar to most hobby growers.

I think discussions like we're having now serve to illustrate to others that they can rather easily formulate a considered plan that will allow them to take control of their plants and bend the plant to their will, instead of relying on luck and hoping for the best while following the plant's lead. The skills you're learning aren't specific to bonsai, they're broadly applicable to all plants. Plants are amazingly alike and predictable. Once you start manipulating them and discover it adds another dimension to simply growing them, you'll find yourself looking at growing in an entirely different way, and it can only increase the potential for personal reward as you refine and multiply your skills.

Al


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RE: How to root a ficus cutting?

I do need more trees and other plants! Which is why I have two Ficus cuttings, a few Crassula ovata cuttings, a few Stapelia grandiflora cuttings, a couple Opuntia fragilis cuttings, an Opuntia compressa cutting, as well as some split Aloe plants and a split Cereus.

I've gone from 4-5 plants to almost more than my apartment can support, but I enjoy checking them out a little now and then and looking for signs of progress. I think it can be quite a rewarding hobby for me.

I did not at all intend to say that what you teach is only applicable to bonsai plants, or anything to that effect. I apologize if I made it sound like that.

I simply meant to say that I am currently not bound by any specific bonsai stylistic considerations, only to make my plant healthy and at least decently good looking. It isn't unlikely that I will develop more stylistic requirements for my plants as time goes on and I widen my knowledge. Time will show.

Anyway, I just read in the local newspaper that there is an idea to convert one of our city parks into a bonsai park, in cooperation with the local bonsai association. Let's hope the municipality will run with the idea.

Best regards,

/Henrik


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RE: How to root a ficus cutting?

  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Thu, Aug 9, 12 at 15:56

Oh golly - I didn't take anything you said as being even the least bit untoward - so no worries there. Now I'm sorry if you got that impression. When I put together a reply to someone, I'm usually also looking for opportunities to expand on a topic; and I almost always write as though I'm addressing everyone reading along now or who might come along in the future. I just saw an opportunity to clarify that some of the things we regularly discuss can be widely applied by anyone with the inclination to learn to do just that. A bonsai practitioner might use his skills to bend a plant to his will in one way, while you might use the same skills to bring out something entirely different in the plant. For instance, learning how to balance energy in a plant by pruning the top third hardest, the middle third not so hard, and the lower third hardly at all at pruning time, can be used by a bonsai practitioner to keep lower branches healthy and discourage the plant from shedding them, or used by the houseplant devotee to increase foliage density and keep the upper branches from thickening to the point where they look out of place. It's not uncommon to see pictures of plants with very heavy upper branches and weak, spindly branches low on the tree - where branches look more natural when they are the heaviest. There are even ways to help weak lower branches 'catch up' so they look more natural. That it takes such a small amount of effort to add these skills to a grower's bag of tricks is fortunate, because anyone who wants to CAN use them to their (and their plant's) advantage - and we're always looking for ideas that help us keep our plants looking good.

Interesting about the bonsai park. I know someone who would be interested in learning more about that. I'll forward the link to her.

Al


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It's surprising to read the trouble some people have to go through to root Ficus cuttings. I have the reverse problem. When I prune back any of my Ficus I have to be careful where I throw the offcuts, otherwise they root and I have a tangle of Ficus trees coming up. So I put them out into the most open, breezy, dry and sunny spot until the wood completely dies off. Usually they'll sprout for a while but eventually die off. I took a small "dried" piece of one once to use as a stake but within a week it was sprouting all over. It had looked all brown and dry, but obviously not on the interior.


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  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Fri, Aug 10, 12 at 7:54

Where do you live? It sounds like that prolly has something to do with it.

Al


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I finally found this thread again! I've been meaning to Update! I still have to take pictures but... They rooted! The biggest cutting i had (over 16 inches) has rooted AND grown! perlite and rooting hormone... yay:) Thanks again for all your help Al! I must get some photos on here. Since they have rooted up so nicely i'll be putting them in a pot with dirt soon


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  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Sun, Aug 12, 12 at 9:43

Way to go! Strong work! Everyone loves success stories, so we'll look forward to your pics.

Al


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I have a question. I have some ficus too little like the ones pictured above. I cut the bottom nodes off about four of them. But i left the top growth all on still. I have them in Perlite and its been about 2 and a half weeks and no roots have really sprouted. Is it because i didnt cut the top leafs off? Thanks!


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  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Tue, Jan 29, 13 at 14:02

Not really. There is a love/hate relationship that goes on between the cutting and the volume of foliage you leave on it. I think the best way to put it is, it's desirable to leave as much foliage on as possible, as long as the plant can supply it with water. The problem is, if you leave too much foliage on the plant, ALL the leaves could fall if the plant can't move enough water to keep them hydrated. More leaves = more food to make more roots, but also means a higher water demand.

You'll have a much higher failure rate of cuttings taken in the winter unless you're growing under lights, live in the deep south, or otherwise have the ability to keep the plant's metabolism humming. Plants weakened by a few months of less than ideal winter conditions are reluctant to strike, and if they do, can be counted on to take much longer.

BTW - you should resist checking the cuttings or tugging at them to see if they've rooted. The practice easily breaks any fine roots that might be getting established and sets the plant back considerable. Getting cuttings to root is a race against the fungaluglies - to see whether the plant can get the plumbing connection established between roots and shoots before it's plugged.

Al


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Thanks a lot!!! :)


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