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Making Large Hypertufa Millstone?

Posted by splais 10 (splais1@gmail.com) on
Fri, Oct 5, 12 at 16:13

1. I have a couple of questions at the end of my explanation.

2. I want to make a large (32" x 6", maybe 8") millstone to be the top of a bird fountain. Obviously I cannot make it out of concrete. Thinking about Hypertufa.

3. I found a formula that says 1 part cement, 1.5 parts peatmoss, and 1.5 parts vermiculite. If I use 80# bags of cement I estimate it will take approximately 2 bags of cement, 3 bags of peat and 3 more of vermiculite - so this means it should only weigh around 200 pounds.

Questions: Does what I have stated in paragraph 3 seem relatively accurate?

Question: If I do this, how many days must it sit before I can work on it? Know it takes around 28 days to totally cure; but how long before I can remove mold, clean up edges, etc.

Thanks.


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RE: Making Large Hypertufa Millstone?

I forgot to mention, my plan is to rent a small power mixer to mis this all up in one batch.


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RE: Making Large Hypertufa Millstone?

Have you ever worked with hypertufa? This is a big project if this is your first project.

Does what I have stated in paragraph 3 seem relatively accurate? I am sure you found this formula on the internet. There are many combinations using various other ingredients. The one you have will work, I like to use perlite in my hypertufa mix.
Unmold after 24- 36 hrs and work the damp hypertufa with a wire brush, then wet and cover with large garbage bag, keeping moist for a few weeks.
My suggestions would be to start with a small project. Learn to mix. Too much water is not good, too dry a mix will cause the hypertufa to crumble.
Also It will be heavy when you unmold, so make this project right where you plan to use it.
Finally, you dont mention where you live. You should not make hypertufa if the temps go below 50o F , it will not cure properly, resulting in cracks. Good Luck


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RE: Making Large Hypertufa Millstone?

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Steve


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RE: Making Large Hypertufa Millstone?

Have you made your millstone? I make them from concrete with no problems.
I wouldn't recommend 'tufa for a millstone on a fountain.'Tufa is supposed to absorb water, not sure how well that would work in the long run for a fountain.


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RE: Making Large Hypertufa Millstone?

Yes, I did. it came out gorgeous, actually better looking than the concrete one I made. It's been running a couple of weeks and is just fine. You can read what I did ad see a pic in the following link:

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/gardart/msg102150229927.html

It does not seem to be absorbing water at all and is hard as a rock. I did change my formula slightly: 2cf cement, 3cf vermiculite, 1 cf strained peat moss, 1 gal acrylic fortifier and half bag of polyester reinforcing fibers.


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RE: Making Large Hypertufa Millstone?

well, here, don't know why the link isn't active. Here is what I wrote.

"I just completed my first hypertufa project and it was a big one. A 32x6 inch millstone I'm turning into a fountain. It was both harder and easier than I expected. I wanted a larger piece than the concrete one I just finished. It was 32x3.5 inches and weighs about 250 pounds best I can figure. The hypertufa millstone is still curing, but I estimate it will probably weigh about 250 pounds also.
I made the mold out of a piece of plywood for a base and used a 25' piece of 6" flashing for the circular mold. The center hole was a piece of PVC pipe wrapped with wax paper.

The formula I used was 2 ninety pound bags of Portland cement (2cf), 2cf of medium vermiculite, and 2cf of strained peat moss. For reinforcement I mixed in a good bit of polyester fibers, for color I added dry brown tint, and for additional strength I added a gallon of acrylic fortifier to the water.

I rented a small cement mixer and thoroughly mixed all dry ingredient before adding the water. The hard part was getting it mixed right. When I started adding the water it really started to ball up but I had read someplace that just means you needed to add more water. We played around with it for quit a bit before I decided we had to start putting it in the mold even though it really wasn't runny at all. ( Note: after the fact it was clear I just needed to add a bit more water and it would have been a lot easier. ) We dumped the mix in the mold and I pounded it tight with an old brick and then used a cement trowel to smooth the surface. Let it sit for about 15 minutes and then put some grooves in the top for realism. On the second day I pulled out the PVC pipe in the center. On the third day I took the mold off and it was perfect as you can see in the pic. I kept it covered for three days After four days it already felt hard as a rock. I waited a week and then mounted the fountain on it's base. She came out really nice. I'm playing around with the idea to stain it a little darker, don't know yet."


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Fantastic!


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Hi, I have made mill wheels in both htpertufa and concrete. The hypertufa ones have sat outside my door for about 4 years now and not aproblem with them. The concrete ones (photo attached) are two years old and don't expect to have any problems with these in any way. I use a latex mould inside a wooden former to support them due to the weight and not wanting the latex mould to spread once filled. The wheels are about 2 foot across and about 2 to 3 inches thick. The concrete ones I can turn out the next day but the hypertufa I leave for about 3 days and have damp sacking material on top but again not a problem if left. The main problem is lifting the flaming things and turning them over to remove the mould, getting to old for it.


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Sorry photo did not upload so here's hoping it works this time


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