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| 1. I have a couple of questions at the end of my explanation.
2. I want to make a large (32" x 6", maybe 8") millstone to be the top of a bird fountain. Obviously I cannot make it out of concrete. Thinking about Hypertufa. 3. I found a formula that says 1 part cement, 1.5 parts peatmoss, and 1.5 parts vermiculite. If I use 80# bags of cement I estimate it will take approximately 2 bags of cement, 3 bags of peat and 3 more of vermiculite - so this means it should only weigh around 200 pounds. Questions: Does what I have stated in paragraph 3 seem relatively accurate? Question: If I do this, how many days must it sit before I can work on it? Know it takes around 28 days to totally cure; but how long before I can remove mold, clean up edges, etc. Thanks. |
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- Posted by splais 10 (splais1@gmail.com) on Fri, Oct 5, 12 at 16:21
| I forgot to mention, my plan is to rent a small power mixer to mis this all up in one batch. |
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- Posted by plantman56 z6 PA (My Page) on Sat, Oct 6, 12 at 21:03
| Have you ever worked with hypertufa? This is a big project if this is your first project. Does what I have stated in paragraph 3 seem relatively accurate? I am sure you found this formula on the internet. There are many combinations using various other ingredients. The one you have will work, I like to use perlite in my hypertufa mix.
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- Posted by splais 10 (splais1@gmail.com) on Sat, Oct 6, 12 at 21:25
| Plantman, could you call me anytime. 928-580-7971 Steve |
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| Have you made your millstone? I make them from concrete with no problems. I wouldn't recommend 'tufa for a millstone on a fountain.'Tufa is supposed to absorb water, not sure how well that would work in the long run for a fountain. |
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- Posted by splais 10 (splais1@gmail.com) on Mon, Nov 5, 12 at 16:04
| Yes, I did. it came out gorgeous, actually better looking than the concrete one I made. It's been running a couple of weeks and is just fine. You can read what I did ad see a pic in the following link: http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/gardart/msg102150229927.html It does not seem to be absorbing water at all and is hard as a rock. I did change my formula slightly: 2cf cement, 3cf vermiculite, 1 cf strained peat moss, 1 gal acrylic fortifier and half bag of polyester reinforcing fibers. |
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- Posted by splais 10 (splais1@gmail.com) on Mon, Nov 5, 12 at 16:08
| well, here, don't know why the link isn't active. Here is what I wrote. "I just completed my first hypertufa project and it was a big one. A 32x6 inch millstone I'm turning into a fountain. It was both harder and easier than I expected. I wanted a larger piece than the concrete one I just finished. It was 32x3.5 inches and weighs about 250 pounds best I can figure. The hypertufa millstone is still curing, but I estimate it will probably weigh about 250 pounds also. The formula I used was 2 ninety pound bags of Portland cement (2cf), 2cf of medium vermiculite, and 2cf of strained peat moss. For reinforcement I mixed in a good bit of polyester fibers, for color I added dry brown tint, and for additional strength I added a gallon of acrylic fortifier to the water. I rented a small cement mixer and thoroughly mixed all dry ingredient before adding the water. The hard part was getting it mixed right. When I started adding the water it really started to ball up but I had read someplace that just means you needed to add more water. We played around with it for quit a bit before I decided we had to start putting it in the mold even though it really wasn't runny at all. ( Note: after the fact it was clear I just needed to add a bit more water and it would have been a lot easier. ) We dumped the mix in the mold and I pounded it tight with an old brick and then used a cement trowel to smooth the surface. Let it sit for about 15 minutes and then put some grooves in the top for realism. On the second day I pulled out the PVC pipe in the center. On the third day I took the mold off and it was perfect as you can see in the pic. I kept it covered for three days After four days it already felt hard as a rock. I waited a week and then mounted the fountain on it's base. She came out really nice. I'm playing around with the idea to stain it a little darker, don't know yet." |
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| Fantastic! |
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| Hi, I have made mill wheels in both htpertufa and concrete. The hypertufa ones have sat outside my door for about 4 years now and not aproblem with them. The concrete ones (photo attached) are two years old and don't expect to have any problems with these in any way. I use a latex mould inside a wooden former to support them due to the weight and not wanting the latex mould to spread once filled. The wheels are about 2 foot across and about 2 to 3 inches thick. The concrete ones I can turn out the next day but the hypertufa I leave for about 3 days and have damp sacking material on top but again not a problem if left. The main problem is lifting the flaming things and turning them over to remove the mould, getting to old for it. |
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