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| I added a gallery of grot pics and a how-to on them to my Garden Art page. I'd love to get some feedback on the how-to. Let me know if anything needs to be explained more clearly and I'll do my best to fix it.
My webpage ~ click on Garden Art The poor grot in the how-to pics was broken during unpotting. I am hoping to glue it back together after it cures some more, as I was really pleased with how he came out otherwise. Any suggestions on the best adhesive to use on 'tufa? I'd like something that can stand up to the elements and not be so thick as to be really noticable. Thanks for any suggestions. Mike |
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- Posted by GardenChicken AB3b (My Page) on Sun, Oct 3, 04 at 19:04
| Thanks for the post Mike, sorry I don't have any good suggestion for repairing your grot. I'm sure Peak will be along soon with a plethora of information on that topic :) My last attempt at 'glueing' worked, but looks miserable! Your grots are great! I love the expressions you've achieved. Question for you though, are your grot-pots open at the bottom or do they have some sort of base that requires a drainage hole? Must get busy and try this! -GC |
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- Posted by sschwarz z5 co (sschwarzman1@adelphia.net) on Sun, Oct 3, 04 at 19:14
| Your a natural at "ART" and "Teaching"! Great website. I really like your Grots and the names fit perfect! |
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- Posted by garden_of_mu Z8 PNW (My Page) on Sun, Oct 3, 04 at 19:16
| Glad you liked them GC! They are completely open thru the center so that anything planted in them can get its roots down into the soil. My last attempt to fix a broken grot with thin tufa as glue doesn't look so hot either. I'm hoping some adhesive may be better, but I've no idea what kind. Maybe I'll just smear the entire break with superglue and see if that holds. My own fault for breaking my rules to not pull the pot out until the third day. I was trying to get a pic of it without for the how-to. Should have left it. I never listen to myself. ;) Mike |
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| Thank you mike! I love your stuff and go back to see what's new... alot! :O) Hope to see more in the future.... Anela |
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| I found a fabulous glue for tufa and concrete. It is a polyurethane glue and doesn't swell up as much as gorilla glue. After it is bonded, make a slurry and fill the crack and you will never know. I love glues. I am "Queen of the Adhesives". Jo |
Here is a link that might be useful: glue
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- Posted by garden_of_mu Z8 PNW (My Page) on Sun, Oct 3, 04 at 20:29
| Jo you're a lifesaver, that looks like just the thing! I'll check my local hardware store and see if they carry it. =) Anela - Thanks! I'm planning to add a 'stepping stone how-to' using rhubarb leaves next summer, so watch for that. Mike |
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| This is too funny. Yesterday I finally organized all my 'tufa printouts found out I'd saved Wylee's Grote 101 instructions. Today BB sent me a grot I just had to make so just before I checked this message I had my notebook out... and now I've got even better instructions. My friends Sara and Dipptiy approve. Mike, my only quibble is with your "Add a little water at a time and mix until wet but still very thick". I think a description like "thick cookie dough" or something would be better. Personally I'd use a 1:1 cement:sand mix, maybe use some drywall tape, to fix the break. I've had better succes with this than adhesives. Thanks for all your work. GROTS RULE! peak |
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| Great how to Mike,I enjoyed seeing all your art. I will have to go back and check out all the rest of your garden, looks great. Cindy |
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- Posted by Koppasetic NCo Zone5 (My Page) on Mon, Oct 4, 04 at 9:12
| Mike I really like all of your Tufa works, but I especially want to that you for the Living Wreath instructions. I made a couple Living Wreaths this Spring before seeing your instructions and now I wish I'd waited! Your instructions are great and make the project look very easy! What time of year is best to start one? I think I'd be using Semps and maybe some Sedums. Think I'd be safe to build one now? I'm in Colorado btw. You've got a great collection of Semps too! I just love all the redish ones! Melanie |
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- Posted by garden_of_mu Z8 PNW (My Page) on Mon, Oct 4, 04 at 9:57
| Melanie - I think in your zone I would wait until spring. I need to update those instructions too. hopefully I can get that done this week. Semps are so fun! I have over 100 varieties now. I think I like the little teeny-tiny ones the best. =) Mike |
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| Mike, great Grot Gallery and how-to instructions! Love your grots' faces and their names...very cool! Your directions are well written and easy to follow. And I really appreciate your printer friendly version. I do agree with Peak that it would be helpful if you could explain a little more how wet the mix should be. When you squeeze a handful of the mix, how much water drips out? Mike, your website is lovely. It's always a pleasure to spend time there. Eva |
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- Posted by nckvilledudes z7 NC (My Page) on Mon, Oct 4, 04 at 12:17
| Superb instructions Mike. I am really impressed with your work. Keep it up! |
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- Posted by nckvilledudes z7 NC (My Page) on Mon, Oct 4, 04 at 12:40
| Mike, went back and reread your how to instructions and have a couple of clarification questions. When you say that you walk away from your in progress pieces, do you cover them with plastic during this time, does it depend on the weather conditions (hot and dry vs. wet and humid vs. hot and humid) or do you never cover them? Also, does it help at all in removing the 4 inch garden pot to lubricate it with something prior to beginning your grot or have you considered placing a grocery bag over the outside of the pot and then folding it into the pot? Is this necessary or is it just as difficult if you don't do it? Sorry about all the questions but you are dealing with a scientist here! LOL |
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- Posted by garden_of_mu Z8 PNW (My Page) on Mon, Oct 4, 04 at 14:51
| Oh, no problem. I am happy to answer questions on my methods. I make the mix what I consider very thick. I'm not sure how much water would come out with squeezing, but in the bucket it stands up stiffly of it's own and does not settle down as a wetter mix would. Thick cookie dough might be a good analogy. No, I don't cover them when I walk away for a few hours. I just let them sit. I never work in direct sunlight so there is usually no danger of them drying out to quickly. I do mist them when I return sometimes if they look like they might need it. It might help to oil the pot before starting, but I have a hard enough time getting the tufa to stay up around it that I don't wnt to encourage less adhesion. It is easy enough to remove the third day just by folding it in on itself. Mike |
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| Mike - Love your work and your garden! I found the tutorial helpful and am inspired to do some grots for Christmas presents if the weather holds out. I'm thinking of doing indoor versions with senecio rowleyanus as dreadlocks. Thanks so much Debbie |
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- Posted by nckvilledudes z7 NC (My Page) on Mon, Oct 4, 04 at 19:42
| Thanks for the clarifications Mike. You've inspired me to eventually make a grot! |
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- Posted by dkistner z7b GA (dkistner@treeheart.org) on Thu, Dec 2, 04 at 16:00
| Mike, I got such a kick out of your site. I like that Grommet a lot! And your big planter.... Your work has a great feel to it. Diane |
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- Posted by sage_dreamer z4 UT (My Page) on Thu, Dec 2, 04 at 21:52
| Mike, Thanks so much for the tutorial. I know I never would have attempted a grot without a printable tutorial that included pics! btw, i love you website design :) |
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Love those grots. I made one this weekend using your instrutions. Thanks. Dixiesmom |
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| Look what almost fell off--I'm still planning on making one of these. Deb |
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| Thank you for your instructions on making Grots. I printed them, and took them out to the guarage where I work. They were easy to follow.I did do a small change however, I formed them around a 4 inch plastic pot, lubricated and stuffed with paper,inverted on a 12 inch bat. I made the head solid. When it was finished, cured and all, I left the grot natural tufa color, and painted the eyes realisticly. A striking effect. In fact I liked it so much, I made a coiled snake,in the same manner, and will leave that also natural, but with realisticly painted eyes. This was my first experience with carving tufa, and using your instructions, has given me a lot more confidence and skill. Thank you very much. Irene |
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| GOTTATUFA , where do you get polyurethane glue? |
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- Posted by Club_53 z5 MA (debrawpope@charter.net) on Fri, Oct 7, 05 at 9:19
| What a great website. Love the living wreath. The instructions for the Grots are super -- lots of ideas. Will have to make more Grots this winter. |
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- Posted by BZNMYGARDEN Z5 IL (My Page) on Fri, Oct 7, 05 at 11:09
| FANTASTIC tutorial, Mike!!! Thanks! I'm gonna try your 'pothead' (!) version this weekend. I'm thinking that I'll plant one up with Fiber Optic Rush next spring, and put it near the pond. The only grot I've made so far is one from a blob of leftover tufa (was making another newbie project). I just formed a 'squished' ball by hand, let it dry somewhat, then carved a very primitive face in it. Was thinking at the time that I'd do moss 'hair' on the bald head when it's cured... I loved your grot's names, too. I haven't named my tiny attempt, but my BF has nicknamed it 'Turdballhead'....not too complimentary, (didn't mean to offend anybody!) but the tufa mix was heavy on the peat, it was very brown, and, well.... Obviously, I need to work on the details! LOL! Your site is gorgeous, and very inspriational! I may also try to make a smaller version of your obelisk. Hope the weather holds out for a while longer! - Lisa |
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| well I guess I waited too long to find this forum because the pictures of the grots are gone. :-( I would love to see some photos as this is going to be my next project. I have an old hard hat and I figure this will be the perfect mold for the grots. it is made of plastic so I am not sure if I have to put a release agent in it or not. I hate to have a cement hard hat. LOL can you guys repost your grot photos for us newbies?? |
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| Try this link: http://wyleesee.50megs.com/whats_new.html, I don't remember if I saved it from this forum, but it's the only one I could find on my computer. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Grot instructions
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| This is from Garden of Mu's original posting: ~ Garden Grot How-to ~ 'Grot' is short for 'grotesque' - the name for the sculpted characters often seen decorating old cathedrals and castles. They're similar to gargoyles, but are used as decoration rather than to funnel rain water away from the building. I have adapted them to use in the garden as amusing or scary creatures that appear to be peeking up out of the ground. There are as many ways to make grots as there are garden artists to make them. These are the instructions on how to make an open-headed grot like the ones I have shown in my Grot Gallery page. I make them open-headed so they can be planted with 'hair', but they could as easily be solid. For another grot style check out my friend Wylee's how-to page. I find it useful to start in the morning so that I can come back throughout the day to work on the piece. Tools/Accessories: The Mix: Construction:
The base form around the 4" pot. Carving:
Left side still rough - right side carved. Finish: Tips and thoughts: - Rinse your tools, gloves and bucket so that the cement doesn't cure to them.
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| Thanks gansn for reposting this! |
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