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| Hi there. I will try to make this as short as possible. My friend has basically a "high desert" lawn that I help maintain. As hard as we try we can never get it to look "good", and at this point I don't know if its possible. Our problems: 1. It is over an hour away from town so we only make it there on the weekends, and he waters all weekend long early spring thru late fall. 2. It is surrounded by fields and sagebrush, the only shade being one maple tree and three pine trees. (I always wonder if the pine trees are contributing partly to the problem). 3. The grass is not thick - if you look straight down at it it looks patchy. It looks "OK" for about 2 weeks in spring, and then its downhill from there. 4. Our newest problem since last spring is voles. They are starting to tear it up pretty good. We have tried fertilizing it the past three years in spring which I guess helps keep the weeds down but doesn't do much to help the grass. We have de-thatched it the past 3 springs which pulls up an astonishing amount of dead grass, but of course the catch-22 with that is leaving spaces for weeds to pop up. We are just at a loss at what more we can do...any suggestions would be appreciated. |
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| If you're looking for a lawn that will look okay with very little input, I may have a solution. It won't give you a showcase lawn, but it will give you a low maintenance lawn. |
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| I feel your pain. Hard as I try my Cactus garden always fails here in NH. I am almost ready to give up on it. |
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| Well, if by high desert, you mean in the mojave desert, or antelope valley (which is where I am), then I'll offer my advice. I grew a TF lawn from seed a year ago and it did great. My soil was rock solid clay when I started, but after a lot of pick axing and mixing roughly 30% compost, it's pretty good soil now. It gets up to 115 in the summer here, so the usual statement of "only water once per week with 1" of water" does not apply to the desert. I have to water mine roughly 3 times per week, and roughly 1.5-2" of water total per week. Keep overseeding and amending the soil to get it soft. You may have to put the water on a timer to water more often. |
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- Posted by texas-weed 7A (My Page) on Thu, Mar 24, 11 at 15:50
| What do you mean high desert? I just moved to Prescott AZ which is high desert and now take care of a golf course. The two big challenges are rocky sandy soil and very alkaline. Lawns here need watered just about every day because it is so dry and with sand soil the water just dissapears into thin air literally. |
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- Posted by dchall_san_antonio 8 San Antonio (My Page) on Fri, Mar 25, 11 at 12:02
| Assuming you have full sun, you have two choices for turf. Those are buffalo grass or a mix of native prairie type grasses. One of the regular posters here, bpgreen, lives in Utah and has a mix of natives. Sometimes he posts pictures but suffice it to say his lawn looks excellent. The color is very dark green and the density is probably above average. He never fertilizes and seldom irrigates. There is a relatively new variety of buffalo grass available in California. It is called UC Verde. Don't know the cost but it seems to be worth it. Once it is established it is completely no-hassle. Check out this link for pictures of Verde. |
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- Posted by ComOnSpring none (My Page) on Sat, Mar 26, 11 at 1:15
| Thank you sincerely for all the responses. However, I think I must apologize for the "high desert" title. Our "desert" has sagebrush, tumbleweeds, rattlesnakes, etc., but not necessarily desert as in mojave specs. Jordanz and texas-weed, I tip my hat to you for even trying to have a lawn in the true desert! (My dad lived in Youngtown, AZ for a short time and his lawn was rocks). Dchall, I breathed a sigh of relief when I read your response! Maybe there is hope after all! bpgreen (from Utah) is technically a neighbor of us (Idaho) and I see that he also responded so I will be sending him a message. Thanks again all! |
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| Ok. Idaho. Similar to my conditions. I usually water 3 times a year: early July, late July and mid August. Most of my neighbors water every day. I originally wanted to use a strictly native lawn, but over time, I decided to include "naturalized" turf options (note that I didn't limit it to grasses). First a few comments about the Intermountain West. Most (almost all) of our precipitation comes as snow. What rain we get is usually mixed with snow. We get about 2-3 inches of precipitation during the summer. Here are the options for a low maintenance lawn (note that all of these lawns should be mowed high and should get little or no fertilizer): Warm season natives. Buffalo grass and blue grama. Buffalo grass should be grown from sod or plugs (seed is available, but seeded varieties aren't as good). Blue Grama can be bought as plugs, but it's a bunch grass, so it won't spread well. Blue grama and buffalo grass are often planted together. The advantages of these two grasses are that they'll stay green in the hottest part of the summer with little or no input. The disadvantage is that they'll probably be dormant from early October until mid May. Cool season grasses: Western wheatgrass, Streambank wheatgrass, crested wheatgrass, sheep fescue. Western wheatgrass is a cool season grass, but it likes conditions a little warmer than most other cool season grasses. It's sort of a grey-green, but looks pretty nice I think. It's harder to establish than the other options. Streambank wheatgrass (thickspike wheatgrass if you have sandy soil) will green up faster than western wheatgrass. It seems to go dormant faster than Western wheatgrass, but snaps out of it faster). Crested Wheatgrass was introduced from Siberia. Most varieties are bunch grasses, but newer varieties will spread to some extent. Sheep fescue can get by on the least amount of water, but it tends to go dormant in the heat. If you make your own mix, use Covar. Other than grass: My recommendation would be to get the Cabin mix from Utah seeds and augment it with strawberry clover. Mow it at 3-4 inches. If you do no maintenance at all, it will live, but it will be dormant during the summer. If you water it once or twice a month, it will stay green all year. |
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- Posted by dchall_san_antonio 8 San Antonio (My Page) on Sat, Mar 26, 11 at 15:32
| Western Wheatgrass photos Many of the photos show the grasses with seed heads. If you mow you'll never see those. The huge point is that you can have an excellent lawn in the high desert without the hassle of the elite grasses you see in the advertising. There is a plugged form of buffalo called Tech Turf. Search this forum for discussions about that grass. granburyflowergirl has had it for almost a year and makes a pretty effective sales pitch for it. I'm a huge proponent, also. It is expensive to install but then it is hands off. I must have FULL sun, though. |
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| David--Thanks for posting those links. There are some pretty good pictures in those google searches. As you can see from the pictures, though, these are not real common choices for lawns (although one of the strreambank wheatgrass pictures looked like a lawn or sports field). I should also point out that although I recommended the cabin mix, I didn't use it myself. I bought individual seeds from various vendors and planted my own mixture, but the cabin mix is pre mixed, so it makes it a lot easier and it's a good selection of seeds (I think). If you decide to use Buffalo grass, I would strongly recommend using a sodded or plugged variety rather than a seeded one, especially if you have any allergies. Even if you don't have allergies, the sodded/plugged varieties tend to make a better lawn. Blue grama is available in plugs, and is often mixed with buffalo grass, but I think I'd use seeds for blue grama, since it doesn't spread. I opted against the buffalo/grama approach because the lawn would have been dormant too long for my tastes. But it would probably require the least maintenance of any of the choices. |
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- Posted by ComOnSpring none (My Page) on Sun, Mar 27, 11 at 23:09
| Dchall and bpgreen, thank you SO much for your replies. I can't tell you what a relief it is to know that there may be hope for this yard after all. I will be doing some more research on the varieties you both recommended. Thanks for mentioning allergies...I have terrible allergies to some things so I guess whatever we decide to go with will have to have a trial run. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge! |
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- Posted by dchall_san_antonio 8 San Antonio (My Page) on Mon, Mar 28, 11 at 9:17
| I found out I was allergic to buffalo grass by laying on it. I was taking pictures and about 20 minutes layer I wanted to rip the skin off my arms. I must be about a 4++ on a buffalo grass allergy test. |
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